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NetBSD. 10:31:15 I'm going to commit changes tonight. 10:31:39 And I want to try building SPF under WINE. 10:32:11 Essay is deferred once again. 10:32:32 I don't see it's needed so much. 10:33:01 I want to try writing essay for "Popular Mechanics", 10:33:09 --- join: I440r (n=mark4@70.102.202.162) joined #forth 10:33:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +o I440r 10:33:12 but that's currently only a dream. 10:33:23 Good evening, I440r. 10:33:37 ! 10:33:45 Assuming that you were so keen to integrate ruFIG comminity into other forth-community that sound strange. 10:35:52 What's strange? 10:36:40 Remember, I'm human, and I may believe or not believe into some or another idea. 10:37:12 And the latter affects my desire and willing to do something. 10:39:58 --- join: Baughn (n=svein@084202037191.customer.alfanett.no) joined #forth 10:42:30 Guten Abend, Baughn. 10:43:14 azekeprofit: Also, I have another interests before making 10:43:16 people to communicate. 10:44:30 I understand that. 10:45:29 BTW, do you know any public NNTP with R/W access to comp.lang.forth? 11:00:27 --- quit: edrx ("rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.0.93.1") 11:04:42 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@200.217.105.69) joined #forth 11:13:15 Buenas noches, edrx. 11:13:30 hi ASau 11:13:37 brb 11:25:18 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 11:27:14 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-6e7434fdb8927414) joined #forth 11:37:06 --- join: neceve (n=Clau@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 11:38:46 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-71-192-30-169.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:38:46 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 11:41:55 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 11:52:31 --- quit: timlarson (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:53:57 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12:00:12 --- join: timlarson (n=timlarso@user-12l325b.cable.mindspring.com) joined #forth 12:04:32 Nowadays version control systems ought to be distributed. 12:16:16 no argument there. 12:16:52 though I'd love to see a distributed system that still has a concept of a lightweight "working copy" instead of having to download the entire history. 12:16:53 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:17:03 At least those used in open source projects. 12:17:28 Net latency is too high sometimes. 12:17:46 --- join: tgunr (n=davec@70-41-219-171.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 12:18:13 I've used Perforce at my employers for the last 12 years. It works quite well, but costs $$. I've only played with SVN recently, but it looks like it works well enough. 12:18:14 why does net latency matter? 12:18:19 tathi: I don't know any DVCS that does not fit your requirement. 12:18:35 ASau: name some. 12:18:42 TreyB: yeah, I do like SVN. 12:18:45 darcs, tla 12:19:08 I haven't checked bzr and monotone yet. 12:19:11 darcs only allows you to check out the whole thing, or back to a "checkpoint". Most repository admins don't bother setting checkpoints. 12:19:19 bzr requires you to check out the entire history 12:19:58 Well, you know that in open source you can have any customization. 12:20:07 lol 12:20:29 If one or another admin does not bother simplifying access, 12:20:58 that does not mean there's no possibility. 12:21:14 for my purposes, it does. 12:22:00 Well, I think we can push the idea "each check out is check point". 12:22:10 Anyway, it's not that big of a deal. Just kind of annoying. 12:22:36 Though, maybe it may be implemented in another way. 12:22:52 Like pulling patches to your own repository, 12:23:10 Perforce has client specs, where you declare which parts of the repository you want mapped where. 12:23:14 which is similar but not the (partial) copy of original one. 12:23:35 Then when you sync a client, it gets the latest version of each file in the spec. 12:23:36 Is Perforce distributed? 12:23:46 Yes. 12:24:19 Anyway it does no sense to me. 12:25:04 We have damn stupid laws and damn stupid state agencies here. 12:26:47 Sometimes it's easier to take vacation, go 1000 km and 12:26:48 perform all formalities there. 12:27:04 :-) 12:29:34 Law faculty students frequently file a suit, for instance, 12:29:34 to get married not in native town, but in the city where their 12:29:34 university belongs to. 12:31:07 Just because laws are such that even state agencies can't manage. 12:56:25 --- quit: neceve (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:17:56 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@200.217.105.192) joined #forth 13:30:44 --- quit: timlarson_ ("Leaving") 13:53:00 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 13:54:47 --- join: edrx` (n=Eduardo@201.5.14.157) joined #forth 14:08:48 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:21:50 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5489dbca.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 14:23:00 --- quit: Crest (Nick collision from services.) 14:23:18 --- nick: crest_ -> Crest 14:50:04 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 15:04:01 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:04:38 --- quit: yumehito (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:58:33 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 15:58:33 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 15:58:43 Hey. 15:59:22 Hi. 15:59:35 How goes the cross compilification? 16:00:02 Not so well... 16:00:12 Say it ain't so. 16:00:25 Oh, I'm not giving up, just re-evaluating. 16:01:30 In what regard? 16:01:56 The complexity level of the current implementation has built up to where it's a little tricky for me to handle. 16:02:14 And I was hoping for more code reusability... 16:02:20 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5489D28B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:02:49 As it stands now, it seems to take quite a bit of markup to be able to cross-compile things. 16:02:59 Hmm. 16:03:47 So I've been looking at some of Stephen Pelc's disparaging comments about that proposed standard and wondering if I can't do better. 16:04:00 Could be. 16:04:18 Worth a try. 16:05:18 Yeah. My current approach can certainly work, it just ain't as pretty as I'd like. 16:05:29 i haven't attempted cross-compiling native code yet. 16:05:40 Give it a few days; maybe I'll decide I'm just being too much of a perfectionist and finish the current code. :) 16:05:57 Yes, perhaps you're just in completion-avoidance mode ;) 16:06:10 my cross compiler just serializes objects to disk. it is pretty simple 16:06:11 Quartus: that's certainly possible. 16:06:35 yeah, seems like you can do a lot of neat stuff if your data is typed. 16:06:39 well, factor is a different ball of string 16:13:59 --- nick: segher_ -> segher 16:17:52 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:37:28 --- quit: edrx` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:46:49 --- join: pengy (n=pengy1@90.197.75.16) joined #forth 16:47:03 --- part: pengy left #forth 16:48:07 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:01:37 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:10:48 --- nick: yumehito_ -> yumehito 17:25:35 --- quit: hyrax_ ("Konversation terminated!") 17:40:01 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 17:40:19 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 17:40:19 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 17:43:14 --- quit: tgunr () 18:08:03 --- join: zpg (n=user@user-54441419.lns1-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #forth 18:08:08 gruss gott. 18:08:44 hi zpg 18:09:00 hey slava, what's new? 18:17:48 what the devil is 'gruss gott'? 18:17:59 doty's alter ego 18:18:10 oh? 18:20:27 i'm missing an umlaut on the "u" 18:20:41 so what is it when it's English? 18:20:54 Or are you ASauing? Shortage of the proper prescription drugs? 18:21:08 it's an austrian greeting. 18:21:34 ASauing? 18:21:35 So you are ASauing. Unfortunate. 18:22:02 Yes, ASau comes on and spouts various Russian greetings, at least I presume they're Russian. 18:23:00 you seem to be over-reacting a little to a dash of european. 18:23:31 Umbala m'pah. 18:23:58 and austria weeps. 18:24:11 anyway, how's it going Quartus? 18:24:21 Going ok. you? 18:24:34 besides the recent weeping, good :) 18:25:01 :) 18:25:41 incidentally, how accessible is the outer-interpeter? consider an exercise in which we override numerical conversion, perhaps throwing a type-system. 18:26:02 can one get at the existing interpreter, or would it be wiser to add an extra layer of parsing? 18:26:06 There's no standardized mechanism for it, so it'll depend on the implementation. 18:26:16 you define immediate worsd. 18:26:43 well, i'm thinking of 1 and 1e both being wrapped in a simple structure with type information. 18:26:57 i don't see how immediate words would handle that. 18:27:07 : foo ... ; immediate 18:27:08 foo 1 18:27:09 foo 1e 18:27:43 so explicitly tag every number? 18:27:55 i suppose so. 18:28:58 not quite what i had in mind (as i said, it's an exercise in looking at the outer interpreter in slightly more detail) 18:29:47 (i've already played with explicit declarations) 18:39:08 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 18:39:24 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:39:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 18:42:03 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/browse_thread/thread/20dd0f7992516b51/10f3ba15eaa9761b?lnk=gst&q=outer+interpreter&rnum=1#10f3ba15eaa9761b 18:53:50 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 18:54:09 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:54:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 19:13:25 so you haven't embraced typlessness? 19:13:59 i have actually; just wanted to experiment with the interpreter. 19:14:02 --- join: tgunr (n=davec@70-41-219-171.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 19:14:03 and if not why not? ANSWER! :) 19:14:09 :) 19:15:41 although i do find it a little inconvenient working with integers and floats on separate stacks (conceptually). i've written code that does a lot of floating point work already, so it's no biggy, but expressing "2 3.5 +" wouldn't be horrible. 19:15:52 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 19:16:10 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 19:16:10 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 19:16:33 I hope I didn't miss the resply 19:16:35 -s 19:16:41 you did, cf. the log 19:16:46 zpg: factor lets you do 2 3.5 + 19:16:49 dang 19:17:04 slava: so i gather :) factor doesn't let me do 10.3.9 however. 19:17:25 and what is a 10.3.9 supposed to be? 19:18:48 actually you can extend the lexer 19:19:15 Quartus: OSX Panther 19:19:33 I mean as a data type. If it's just a string... 19:19:37 Quartus: I've been left behind, thankfully not in an apocalyptic evangelical sense. 19:20:26 oh have the skies opened and called up all the pure of heart? 19:20:54 I only catch up with the news every few days. 19:21:02 oh yeah, we're in the midst of the second coming. 19:21:28 so maybe you should go back to spouting Austrian, because I have no clue what you mean by 'left behind'. 19:23:31 the above is simply: (i) slava's factor no longer supports OSX Panther (10.3.9), (ii) so i've been left behind (iii) that's an inadvertant pun: left behind is some trashy evangelic end-of-the-world four-horseman us. series 19:23:36 something to do with versions of OSX? 19:24:03 Ah. Well call me a philistine, but I'm not up to speed on the latest versions of all things Apple. 19:24:37 save yourself. 19:25:30 Quartus: anyway, after that interlude, did you see my reply in the end? 19:25:57 I'm not sure. Something about wanting to diddle with the interpreter? 19:28:44 * zpg rinses his brain 19:38:55 --- quit: tgunr () 19:51:54 Quartus: (as per query) -- you're right, i think OPG might be the cleanest interface for anything requiring a lot of int and float mixing. 19:53:03 what is opg? 19:55:07 "Operator Precedence Grammar", Baden's formula translator. 20:06:52 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 20:07:09 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 20:07:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 20:14:25 --- join: tgunr (n=davec@70-41-219-171.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 20:23:08 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@200.217.105.227) joined #forth 20:25:50 right, turns an infix expression into rpn 20:26:20 i haven't had the need yet. 20:26:29 occasionally a handy thing. 20:29:27 Pretty straightforward to implement on top of a parser. 20:29:57 yeah, i implemented a couple of infix parsers in java at one point. 20:30:17 there are fellows who have done likewise in factor. 20:30:34 I threw one together on top of a small top-down recursive-descent parser in Forth. 20:31:27 so s" 3+5*7" expr generates the string "3 5 7 * +" 20:31:43 which you can evaluate, or frame and hang on the wall, etc. 20:31:51 heh. does it support variables? 20:31:55 yes. 20:32:33 nested parentheses. 20:32:43 precedence? 20:32:49 Yup. 20:36:04 not at all a complex bit of code. 20:43:15 going in the book? 20:43:26 It is. 20:44:16 neat. 20:44:58 I'm using the parser as an example of implementing a domain-specific language extension, and then solving the problem in that. 20:54:16 --- quit: yumehito (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 20:57:33 what's an ETA for the book? 21:02:17 No way to peg it; it's as time permits, and time is tight these days. 21:12:59 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:18:11 --- part: edrx left #forth 21:21:28 --- join: tgunr (n=davec@70-41-219-171.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 21:26:43 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 21:27:00 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 21:27:00 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 21:37:17 --- join: yumehito_ (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 21:39:06 --- quit: yumehito_ (Remote closed the connection) 21:42:37 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 21:44:46 --- quit: yumehito (Remote closed the connection) 22:02:44 --- quit: JasonWoof ("off to bed") 22:03:01 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 22:03:18 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 22:03:19 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 22:04:42 --- quit: azekeprofit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:04:58 --- join: azekeprofit (i=azekepro@88.204.193.247.metro.online.kz) joined #forth 22:10:29 --- join: yumehito (n=yumehito@b-internet.87.103.254.70.snt.ru) joined #forth 22:16:00 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 22:16:17 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 22:16:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 22:39:37 --- quit: crest_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22:42:36 --- join: Crest (n=crest@p5489d28b.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 23:17:24 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:20:48 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 23:21:06 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 23:21:06 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 23:25:00 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:31:26 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 23:31:49 --- join: Quartus (n=neal@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 23:31:49 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 23:45:32 --- join: tgunr (n=davec@70-41-219-171.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.03.21