00:00:00 --- log: started forth/07.02.25 00:09:23 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-f7ddedcdd7d56f66) joined #forth 00:35:16 Quartus, that's simply not true. 00:37:04 and I never said that it's other peoples fault! where in hell did I say it this time? 00:54:13 you seem to see hallucinations and then you act like this in an ultimate demotivating manner. really, you are a big demotivator I hope you never ever will be a boss of someone. 01:02:29 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p5489611E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 01:06:46 --- quit: Crest (Nick collision from services.) 01:06:50 --- nick: crest_ -> Crest 01:31:38 --- quit: Crest ("This computer has gone to sleep") 01:39:13 --- join: Crest (n=crest@p5489611E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 01:58:15 --- join: azekeprofit (i=azekePro@82.200.252.214) joined #forth 03:11:19 --- quit: Crest ("This computer has gone to sleep") 04:36:49 --- quit: ygrek (Remote closed the connection) 04:39:34 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-813e3ce35ce0cc30) joined #forth 05:26:27 --- join: Crest (n=crest@p5489611E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 06:06:03 Hey. 06:18:45 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@200.217.105.203) joined #forth 06:43:30 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:48:52 --- quit: Raystm2 ("Should have paid the bill.") 06:49:30 --- join: Raystm2 (n=NanRay@adsl-69-149-54-98.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 07:03:01 hey ray 07:05:09 Good morning, Neal. 07:05:26 How goes it? 07:06:49 Pretty sweet, actually. Break from activities better left unmentioned. 07:06:54 Score. 07:07:18 hehe. ya.GOOOOOAAAAALLLL!!!! 07:08:47 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07:11:35 "Second goal for striker today, and it's still early in the match. He's running across the pitch and there is the traditional taring off of the uniform, yes yes just one goal per uniform the remains going to feed under privliged orphans, and now he's tossing it in the goalies face and she's not likeing that one bit, having to repair two shirts before work... 07:12:06 gotta buy more shirts. 07:13:50 Gotta earn some money first. 07:13:54 How's the book? 07:13:59 Getting anywhere? 07:14:34 yes, as time permits. Several irons in the fire. 07:15:05 I'm sure. Months arn't nearly as long as the bills used to be. 07:15:09 Or something like that. 07:16:20 :) 07:20:07 I was nearly compelled to buy a guys course "Write your book and be published with-in 14 days from today". 07:20:37 Right. Self-publishing. 07:20:50 Or what they call 'vanity press', where you pay somebody to print and bind your book. 07:21:13 Lulu.com and now officemax.com will compile and ship any size order anywhere on the planet. 07:21:20 ya. 07:21:52 so Quartus writes a book? about what? 07:22:05 Forth. 07:22:30 Stick with what ya know, can't go wrong. 07:23:47 I think, so long as you don't try to get creative with it. I have a hard time conveying the rapier sharp whit that reads worse in print then it would if you saw me perform it in person. 07:24:42 Forth in generally or a simple tutorial book? 07:29:00 A textbook on Standard Forth. 07:32:31 Quartus: another possible ( late as it is ) suggestion... 07:33:29 Have you considered asking some of the usual suspects to contribute a chapter or even just some points in a chapter that you can suround with your own text... blah blah blah. 07:33:47 may do that, ray. 07:35:29 Raystm2, what would you want to put into his book? 07:36:01 Ohh, I don't know. I've listed about 13 things so far... 07:36:16 some of those were... 07:36:45 I'd like to know the history of some of the words, which helps in realizing why it is spelt this way and pronounced that. 07:37:33 A developmental history of the language as a language group. 07:38:39 Some examples of some algorithms, some simple but semi-useful skeleton applications. 07:39:27 for me it seems to be boring when he does a book about 'standard' forth. I don't know how he writes or what he writes exactly, but the grounding isn't fascinating in my opinion. 07:40:48 I believe it needs to be done and it needs to be done by someone with intimate knowledge of the word lists. 07:41:15 You have to had used the words... 07:41:35 There are plenty that I still have never invoked. 07:42:35 It's good to know it because it's good to know exactly what it is you don't like about a thing. Can't do that unless you know a thing. 07:42:58 I know no complete thing. 07:44:50 Hence, can't wait for the book. 07:46:01 Also good to know it if for some weird reason you suddenly find yourself in a situation where you might need to use it. 07:46:21 OR something like it in a forth that has nothing like it included. 07:47:44 Truly there is nothing wrong with a standard forth. Just another dialect of language. 07:51:16 I don't like the only-way attitude 07:51:57 so write your own book. 08:28:09 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 08:28:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 08:42:04 hey tathi 08:43:21 hi Quartus_ 08:43:23 how goes it? 09:00:08 goes pretty well, thanks. You? 09:06:14 I'm doing well also. :) 09:08:30 I'm liking this metacompiled forth thing. 09:08:57 So much easier to test than when you're mucking around in assembly language or C. 09:19:37 which metacompiled forth thing? 09:19:50 I'm writing one. :) 09:20:30 I've been distracted by other things recently, so it's still not functional yet. 09:20:48 But the basic cross-compiling framework seems fairly solid. 09:21:04 neat 09:21:52 written in C? 09:22:09 Forth 09:22:27 which one? 09:22:42 gforth, ANS Forth, or something else. 09:22:54 I'm using gforth currently. 09:23:29 But I'm keeping it as standard as possible. 09:25:30 'as possible' I think writing in a non compliant forth would do more the trick. then you perhaps don't come into the situation: 'ups, I need to include that piece and that piece to get it running on my ABC-ANS Forth' 09:25:50 I don't follow. 09:26:33 I meant that even slightly not conforming to the standard is the same as not conforming to it. 09:26:48 oh, I see. 09:26:57 But I disagree. 09:27:22 I think I'm only using things like DEFER that are easy to implement in Standard Forth. 09:27:38 And which most standard systems provide. 09:29:47 right. 09:30:15 forth200x covers defer 09:30:18 ya 09:31:17 I remember of a nice situation I had, where I tried to get a piece of code of someone running who coded in 'ANS Forth' which included 'some' words which needed to get included. I mean a 'real' 'portable' program is as simple to get it running as plug and play(new one, not the old plug and pray). 09:32:43 sure. I'll deal with those issues before I release anything that claims to be a portable program. 09:33:12 as should anyone. 09:34:16 besides that I have never seen a piece of code which used ANS Forth and wasn't the simple try of a C programmer to code in Forth. 09:34:52 Unsupported meaningless invective intended to produce argument. 09:35:04 Heh. 09:35:21 aka trolling 09:35:41 that wasn't trolling. 09:35:58 it was a simple question. 09:36:20 it wasn't a question. 09:36:45 As regards portability, I've played around with a couple of different Forths, and I ported IsForth to PPC, and I've fixed quite a few C programs to run on my PPC Linux box. So I think I have a decent grasp of the common pitfalls. 09:37:12 Hopefully I'll be somewhat successful at avoiding them. :) 09:37:31 it's not too hard. 09:37:54 it was an indirect question, which content was: 'so show me a good ans forth program' 09:38:12 in the sense of 'real' forth style 09:39:20 where you arbitrarily define 'good' and 'real' to exclude any provided examples? Sounds like fun. 09:41:14 when I would laugh when that wouldn't be so serious.. yes everybody is against you. *rolling eyes* 09:42:03 what? 09:43:44 you cute little kid. 09:45:45 --- kick: virl was kicked by Quartus_ (Quartus_) 09:48:18 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 09:48:42 cute.. 09:49:59 * arke is having a hard time resisting... 09:50:33 resistance is futile 09:51:32 :) 09:53:31 * arke has decided to reread Thinking Forht 09:58:48 Some good stuff in there. 09:59:07 Definetely. 09:59:12 Applies to any language too. 10:02:02 and free, to boot 10:03:47 Yup! 10:06:20 --- join: Zarutian (n=Zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 11:01:52 for what is the <# # #s #> stuff in ans forth exactly? ok, some number conversion for putting a number into a string or so. 11:13:56 --- quit: tathi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:23:28 --- join: ecraven (n=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 11:24:50 hi ecraven 11:25:37 hey virl 11:32:56 virl, http://retroforth.com/paste/?id=296 has a link to some notes on the pictured numeric output words, as well as the ANS descriptions of them 11:49:34 the link is useful 11:50:20 Straight out of the Standard doc. 11:52:31 no the link I mean is straight of the gforth manual. 11:55:41 --- join: arke_ (n=chris@pD9E053F6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:57:50 The text on the page at that link is straight out of the Standard doc. 12:05:59 and the link on the page is leading to the gforth manual. 12:06:28 rethink before you say anything.. 12:08:22 And the text on the page in the gforth manual IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE STANDARD DOC. 12:12:00 --- quit: arke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:22:36 that wasn't the point 12:23:11 the point was that THE LINK ON THE PAGE WAS HELPFUL AND NOT THE FACT THAT THE TEXT WAS STRAIGHT OF THE STANDARD DOC 12:23:33 Ok, let me make this simple for you. 12:23:41 --- mode: Quartus set +b *!*@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at 12:23:45 --- kick: virl was kicked by Quartus (Quartus) 12:26:54 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 12:26:54 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 12:30:03 --- nick: arke_ -> arke 12:30:03 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 12:32:34 --- mode: Quartus set -b *!*@4.38.41.* 12:47:21 --- quit: Snoopy42 () 12:52:35 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-131-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 12:57:48 --- part: azekeprofit left #forth 13:05:33 I don't understand why virl couldn't stand to have the two ideas coeixist peacefully 13:05:37 --- join: TheBlueWizard (i=TheBlueW@ts001d0773.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) joined #forth 13:05:51 I don't see any inherent contradiction or problem with the info being useful, and being from the standard doc 13:06:09 JasonWoof, he cannot have a conversation that isn't an argument. 13:21:32 --- quit: ygrek () 14:00:52 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 14:46:27 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 15:23:44 --- quit: Crest ("This computer has gone to sleep") 17:04:21 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 17:17:30 --- join: Snoopy42 (n=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-154-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 17:36:49 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:58:11 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 17:58:11 --- mode: ChanServ set +o slava 17:58:44 crc: what's toka? :) 17:58:55 or are we not supposed to talk about it yet? :) 18:06:38 he's a joka, a smoka, a midnite toka 18:43:44 --- join: azekeprofit (n=azekePro@82.200.252.214) joined #forth 18:43:47 --- part: azekeprofit left #forth 18:50:39 toka is an experiment I have been working on, implementing a forth-like language in C. 18:50:51 it looks interesting 18:51:23 it's fun to work on; I haven't developed anything significant with it yet 21:39:42 [ neat [ forever @ [ smart fun + ] iterate ] recurse ] true? ] is toka 21:40:07 anyone ever written a sudoko solver? 21:40:44 funny you should say that, I havn't written a solver yet but i did just solve a puzzle. 21:54:44 --- join: Crest (n=crest@p5489611E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 22:21:31 --- quit: Crest ("This computer has gone to sleep") 22:22:36 behold: http://factorcode.org/repos/Factor/demos/sudoko.factor 23:16:32 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@200.217.105.10) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.02.25