00:00:00 --- log: started forth/07.02.09 00:15:17 --- quit: arke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:16:15 --- join: grub_booter (n=charlie@d54C37C64.access.telenet.be) joined #forth 00:16:32 --- join: ecraven (n=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #forth 02:01:05 Good afternoon! 02:02:11 slava: Forth heyday has passed too. 02:02:30 Factor one will not come, I think. 02:02:34 So what? 02:02:59 We have plenty of useful Fortran code in contrast to Forth and Factor. 02:04:08 virl: There's no other way except Gforth one. 02:05:07 What do you call "good" FFI in RetroForth is unusable. 02:05:34 How do you distinguish "int f(char a)" and "void f(long a)"? 02:07:04 Even when you drop the difference in returned value type, 02:07:04 you can't do the same with argument types. 02:11:31 ASau, what you call good FFI is unuseable. 02:12:26 having a big load of arguments on the stack isn't pretty and not useable 03:14:32 --- part: azekeprofit left #forth 03:15:55 --- nick: arke_ -> arke 03:15:56 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 03:45:50 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 03:59:13 --- quit: grub_booter (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:04:26 virl: It's not a choice of Forth programmer how do you call foreign function. 04:05:21 I use this FFI to call various functions, not only those, 04:05:21 which accept full-length cells. 04:16:30 Your way of FFI does not make any distinction between 1 octet, 04:16:45 2 octet and 4 octet parameters in function call. 04:17:34 Gforth way does, that's why Gforth FFI is usable while 04:17:34 yours is not. 04:18:59 Of course, RF FFI is better than no FFI at all, but this 04:18:59 again shows RF FFI is just a quick hack in contrast to more 04:18:59 elaborate GF solution. 04:41:15 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 04:41:16 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 04:55:23 ASau, you are just arrogant 04:58:58 I'm not arrogant, I'm real. 04:59:36 Have you ever spoken to P-programmers? 04:59:44 I did. 05:00:32 They bring the arguments I tried to reproduce. 05:01:45 They are reasonable, you can't oppose that in current state of Forth development. 05:12:18 --- join: azekeprofit (i=azekePro@82.200.252.218) joined #forth 05:24:24 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 05:24:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus_ 05:25:02 what's a P-programmer? 05:25:40 a regular programmer who stutters? 05:26:10 heh 05:26:31 I doubt that's what ASau was talking about. :) 05:26:42 I just came in. 05:26:45 tathi: I mean Perl/Python/whatever. 05:27:08 "Popular". 05:27:11 uh oh, is ASau Poppaviccing? 05:27:33 :) 05:27:36 I don't know what you're speaking about. 05:27:58 that's because I made up a word, just as you did. 05:29:37 Probably I've missed Poppavic's words completely, 05:30:02 I can't recall I've ever spoken to him on serious theme. 05:30:10 I stated that in current state 05:30:22 Forth programmers can't resist arguments of P-programmers 05:30:38 in their attitude to development. 05:31:05 "p-programmers" is your own private word. That's what poppavic does. 05:31:46 I've define it above: "P" = Perl, Python or other popular language, 05:31:56 Ruby is such one. 05:32:09 What do you want? 05:32:11 so, R-programmers too? 05:32:21 those script kiddie languages shouldn't be seen as something what forth should be 05:32:21 Yes. 05:32:46 virl: Neither Perl, nor Python, nor Ruby are script kiddie languages. 05:32:46 wait, is that R as in Ruby, or R as in the statistical package R? 05:32:54 Forth is. 05:33:13 I see that major sites run Perl, Python, Ruby but not Forth. 05:33:32 so forth is a script kiddie language? 05:33:33 And those are not hobbyists' sites, 05:33:49 they are done by high educated professionals. 05:34:01 I think you're generalizing about F-programmers. Hang on, is that Forth, Fortran, or 'freaky'? 05:34:01 Right, Forth is script kiddie language. 05:34:13 ehm.. Forth is more on the level of C and not on the level of perl, python or ruby. 05:34:23 Fortran is not Forth. 05:34:37 but it starts with F! 05:34:51 I know plenty of good, high quality code in Fortran. 05:34:54 Not in Forth. 05:35:12 I don't count underwater code. 05:35:37 oh. So you're looking to incite an argument. Good luck with that. 05:35:38 Those closed sources are of no use. 05:35:57 To me and to community in whole. 05:36:09 Quartus_: You miss the point. 05:36:19 I do not. 05:36:35 I can't accuse you for this, because you've missed the main discussion. 05:36:56 Nope. Scrolled back. 05:37:12 Quartus: he has been going on like this for the last three or four days, you realize. :) 05:37:22 Yup. Trolling his little Russian heart out. 05:38:01 You may give any name for this, it does not change the 05:38:01 state of the world. 05:38:11 That's almost wertylike. 05:39:25 I know pretty well that community defends itself till it dies. 05:39:40 Cassandra's words were hard to believe in. 05:44:05 I don't know what you really want, it seems that you want something like Python or Ruby, but Forth isn't like that. Forth is about lowlevel stuff on which things get built by Forth itself. 05:45:35 probably you want a Lisp if so then look at Factor, which has all that bells and whistles. I think this system will survive, because it has an active community. 06:01:00 I've got Taunsend---Feucht's "Designing and Programming 06:01:00 Personal Expert Systems" on my table, so why do you think 06:01:00 Forth is about low-level stuff? 06:02:08 If I wanted Python or Ruby, I've switched to one by this time. 06:03:36 so you'd rather hang out here and bitch pointlessly about how you consider your language-of-choice inadequate? 06:04:01 You miss my point completely. 06:04:15 I don't think so. 06:04:23 I think Forth is just fine and adequate language, 06:04:48 but the community seems to make it almost impossible to use it. 06:05:13 it's still pointless; you're not going to change the community by whining about it like you have been 06:05:13 I'm having no trouble. 06:05:51 30 years ago it was not problematic to live with almost no 06:05:51 reusable code around. 06:06:05 20 years ago and 10 years ago maybe too. 06:06:10 But not now. 06:06:14 you surely will change nothing by proclaiming repeatedly that There Is Only One Path And We Must Follow It. 06:07:43 You can't change anything repeating the same basic things 06:07:43 in "There's No The Only Path" framework. 06:24:56 --- join: Amanita_Virosa (n=jenni@adsl-70-242-7-95.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:26:19 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 06:29:44 Good evening! 06:40:32 --- quit: TreyB (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:32 --- quit: crc (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:32 --- quit: segher (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:33 --- quit: virl (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:33 --- quit: Raystm2 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:33 --- quit: gnomon (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:33 --- quit: arke (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:34 --- quit: timlarson (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:34 --- quit: OrngeTide (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:35 --- quit: Quartus_ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:35 --- quit: mark4 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:35 --- quit: nighty- (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:35 --- quit: Snoopy42 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:35 --- quit: ASau (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:37 --- quit: cmeme (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:37 --- quit: warpzero (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06:40:52 --- join: arke (n=chris@pD9E07BCA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: TreyB (n=trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-166-006.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-144-116.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: crc (n=crc@pool-151-197-2-179.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: Raystm2 (n=NanRay@adsl-69-149-62-115.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: ASau (n=user@62.118.220.74) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE0050eb372bdb-CM001692f57b56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: timlarson (n=timlarso@user-12l325b.cable.mindspring.com) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: OrngeTide (i=orange@orangetide.com) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 06:40:52 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o arke 06:41:13 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 06:41:13 --- join: mark4 (n=mark4@70.102.202.162) joined #forth 06:41:13 --- join: nighty- (n=nighty-@66-163-28-100.ip.tor.radiant.net) joined #forth 06:41:13 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o Quartus_ 07:25:05 --- join: grub_booter (n=charlie@d54C37C64.access.telenet.be) joined #forth 07:49:44 --- quit: grub_booter (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:16:52 So, gforth uses gcc to produce machine code while retroforth is 386-only. 09:19:52 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-e7089a22a85eda7d) joined #forth 09:21:27 yes 09:25:01 But if I was writing my own forth for, say, 6502, is there likely any better than retroforth to use as a model? (Depends on my experience, et.c., etc.) 09:26:42 I would think there would be forths out there for 6502 already. 09:26:47 (though I haven't looked) 09:27:05 Yeah... 09:29:23 retroforth wouldn't be too bad as a model. 09:29:56 the 'class' model that it uses for the dictionary is a little unusual, but it's fairly simple 09:31:10 there are also articles on the web about writing your own forth if you really want to do that. 09:33:27 writing your own FORTH isn't that bad. 09:33:30 i've done it a couple times 09:33:46 I was thinking that Forth is simple enough to implement on my own fairly quickly and it would work exactly like I wanted... (In two or three (or more) different versions.) I'm looking at targetting xapple2 to start with. 09:35:43 yeah, it's easy enough to get something working 09:36:36 it does take a while to add all the usual functionality 09:37:31 depending on your skill, your very first forth will probably take a couple months to write 09:37:38 it's not a trivial thing to do 09:37:40 but it can be done 09:37:53 if you're careful about your design, though, you can reuse most of it quickly 09:38:01 i've rewritten a core in a day. 09:38:21 http://www.zetetics.com/bj/papers/moving1.htm looks helpful 09:39:10 heh that's the one i read before i started 09:39:37 it's a good article 09:39:46 not as thorough as you might want, but great for starting 09:53:50 sure. I'm not disagreeing; I came to Forth from the language-design-and-implementation side of things. 09:54:15 I guess I just feel like I didn't get as much out of implementing Forth as I thought I would. 09:54:21 heh me too actually 09:54:27 although i did get as much as i thought 09:54:29 more even 09:54:36 my first FORTH was actually a compiler backend 09:54:55 compiled a set of nearly-FORTH opcodes into optimized x86 assembly language 09:54:58 nice 09:55:40 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:56:16 Now that I'm actually writing Forth code, I'm finding that having implemented a Forth doesn't necessarily help me be a good Forth programmer. 09:57:48 Next time, bootstrap your forth using Forth :-) 09:58:20 ya, that's what I'm doing this time :) 09:58:37 that's true 09:58:40 hehe 09:58:49 so I'm being a bit hypocritical saying "don't write your own Forth". :) 09:58:56 my FORTH was mostly bootstrapped 09:59:06 i wrote a few words in asm, then i wrote the rest in FORTH 09:59:10 the first bit of it, i precompiled by hand 09:59:14 but i had the original source for it too 09:59:17 it was all in FORTH tho 09:59:30 tathi: Not necessarily, you could just be giving advice from your experience. 10:00:38 yeah. my experience is basically; don't write your own without *some* sort of reason :) 10:00:46 but if you want to, it is fun and interesting and all that :) 10:01:04 well, I gotta run. bbiab 10:08:29 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 10:08:29 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus_ 10:13:18 hey 10:35:38 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-71-192-30-169.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:35:38 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 10:39:54 hiya 10:54:16 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11:09:22 hey Quartus_ 11:09:41 --- join: frunobulax (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 11:23:29 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:39:57 what is ASau's point again? 11:40:40 dunno 11:41:06 hey tathi :) 11:41:11 think he was complaining that there wasn't any freely available Forth code that he would want to reuse 11:41:14 hi slava 11:41:25 but I'm not terribly sure about that 11:41:57 "Forth heyday has passed too. Factor one will not come, I think." :) 11:42:17 well, i have no objections there 11:42:45 as long as it's a nice environment for you to write code in, you're all set? 11:42:58 I just don't understand crap this: "ASau: I know pretty well that community defends itself till it dies." 11:43:21 --- quit: mark4 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:43:47 or "ASau: I see that major sites run Perl, Python, Ruby but not Forth." when in fact Forth has never targetted web development 11:44:26 --- join: mark4 (n=mark4@70.102.202.162) joined #forth 11:45:46 --- quit: mark4 (Client Quit) 11:49:15 --- quit: azekeprofit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:49:48 --- join: azekeprofit (n=azekePro@82.200.252.218) joined #forth 12:00:50 slava, crazy or? as I mentioned it would be better when he would look at Factor which has more the abilities for webdev. 12:05:30 there are no major sites running on factor either 12:06:49 yes, but I think that this isn't so far away 12:07:52 or not, we shouldn't forget the guys who hate rpn 12:13:04 --- join: gForthIRC (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 12:13:11 --- quit: gForthIRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:14:27 hey. you got it working under gforth? 12:15:03 That's cool...I thought it was pretty iForth specific. 12:22:12 --- join: gForthIRC (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 12:22:19 --- quit: gForthIRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:23:43 --- join: gForthIRC (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 12:24:19 Ahhh ... *now* it works. 12:24:29 --- quit: gForthIRC (Remote closed the connection) 12:28:30 btw. when we speak about getting things running under gforth, anybody got the httpd running? 12:29:09 huh. I didn't realize gforth had an httpd 12:29:54 yes, it has, it was written by bernd paysan, iirc. 12:30:52 hrm. I was going to say I'd take a stab at running it, but I don't run inetd or xinetd. 12:32:31 you would take a stab? 12:32:59 try 12:33:06 try running it, that is 12:33:39 --- quit: frunobulax ("a quit that really quits") 12:34:05 well, that's something which doesn't work. I tried twice, so crazy that thing. some mojo voodoo black magic, which doesn't work 12:34:54 --- quit: ygrek () 12:46:26 --- join: vatic (n=chatzill@ool-45740b1c.dyn.optonline.net) joined #forth 12:48:47 --- join: mark4 (n=mark4@70.102.202.162) joined #forth 12:49:38 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:51:47 --- join: arke (n=chris@pD9E07BCA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:51:47 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 12:54:14 virl: I see what you mean. Uses a fair bit of undocumented internal stuff. :) 12:55:10 --- join: Snoopy17 (n=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-153-092.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 13:01:24 --- quit: segher ("Reactor leak") 13:03:29 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 13:03:31 --- nick: Snoopy17 -> Snoopy42 13:05:55 ah. looks like it's expecting to be given a path, not the full URL. 13:06:02 hmm 13:19:30 er. I take that back. I'm a bit rusty on my HTTP protocol. 13:20:20 virl: try removing the "1 /string" from the definitions of 'http' 13:20:35 that makes it work here. 13:21:20 oh. and remove the 'include ./proxy.fs' at the bottom. 13:21:30 I haven't fiddled with that yet. 13:42:33 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 13:42:33 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus_ 13:45:38 --- join: gnomon_ (n=gnomon@CPE0050eb372bdb-CM001692f57b56.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 13:49:19 --- quit: Quartus_ ("used jmIrc") 13:52:14 oh bother. I'm working with everything from CVS. 13:52:23 that may not be the problem with 0.6.2 13:55:17 is there someone we should pester for a newer release of gforth? 13:56:58 --- quit: gnomon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:57:02 --- quit: Amanita_Virosa ("Well now.") 13:57:06 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 13:57:56 they're pretty adamant about not releasing it until they get all the stuff fixed up that they want done. 13:58:07 I ask myself how it could be easier to 'structurize' Forth Code so that it's not a problem to manage it in bigger projects. 13:58:09 what ddo they want fixed up? 13:58:12 several people have nagged them on the mailing list to just release what they have 13:58:28 slava: I don't know, exactly. 13:58:31 virl: its not about structure, but rather composability and localization of side effects 13:58:35 virl: you want two things 13:58:46 but it must be a fair bit of stuff, because they've been working towards it for over a year now IIRC. 13:59:00 virl: a) if you have two pieces of code that do stuff, and you want to put them together, it should be easy to do that without the two pieces knowing about each other's internals 13:59:19 virl: b) if you change something, the worst that should happen is that it breaks only the code 'near' to it, and not unrelated parts of your program 13:59:51 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.2) joined #forth 13:59:51 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus_ 14:11:13 --- quit: fission (".") 14:39:15 yeah, I don't see any kind of plan for releasing gforth 0.7 14:39:28 not a definitive one :) 14:39:43 I did find these three messages: 14:39:44 http://www.mail-archive.com/gforth@chaossolutions.org/msg00495.html 14:39:44 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/msg/5e5556d9c5880c12 14:39:44 http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/msg/0d7a4381e3df7916 14:46:26 --- join: imaginator (n=George@georgeps.dsl.xmission.com) joined #forth 14:58:44 --- join: Zarutian_ (n=Zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 14:58:49 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:00:15 wha za? 15:01:15 What's what? Huh? Where? 15:01:43 By the way, Quartus: you wrote Quartus Forth, I take it? 15:02:08 I did indeed. 15:02:17 Thank you very much for that. 15:02:28 thank you! 15:02:47 Between your Forth, LispMe and Plua (and SiEd), I went through three Palms and two keyboards. 15:03:04 You're also a fellow Canuckistanian, right? 15:03:15 Toronto. 15:03:20 hi gnomon_ 15:03:43 --- nick: gnomon_ -> gnomon 15:04:06 Quartus_, really? I just moved to Toronto! 15:04:15 Heya, Slava! Long time no talk! 15:04:24 Yup. Where'd you move from? 15:04:25 I'm sorry we never had time for that followup beer :( 15:04:30 no prob 15:04:44 Quartus, Ottawa. 15:04:57 Slavaland. 15:05:03 Indeed! 15:05:23 And he and I only managed to cross paths once, unfortunately. My fault entirely. 15:05:50 where the mighty slava ran, through caverns measureless to man, down to a sunless sea. 15:06:22 lol 15:07:43 Has anyone here played around much with FICL? 15:08:19 I've messed with it a small amount. 15:08:24 I corresponded with the author at one point, if I'm thinking of the right acronym. 15:09:05 I'm just reading through the implementation now, and though I like the extent to which it is commented (and I have to admit a certain weakness for its parsing system), I really haven't heard much about it. I'd like to know what kind of reputation it's got. 15:09:13 What do you guys think of it? 15:09:23 Quartus, it's the Forth-Inspired Command Language, I think. 15:09:41 sure. 15:09:55 it's not being actively maintained, as far as I know. 15:12:04 debiuffer was written using ficl. 15:12:29 seemed a competent effort. I don't recall how closely it cleaves to the forth standard. 15:12:31 What's debiuffer? 15:12:44 Apparently it's pretty close to the standard, at least as of version 4. 15:13:06 a debugger for the palm emulator 15:13:23 debuffer. 15:13:25 no i 15:13:27 It very meticulously documents every adherence to and deviation from the 94 spec, and clearly documents its behaviour in situations left ambiguous by the standard. 15:13:32 Ah, gotcha. Nifty. 15:13:52 It's got a new author; I think it may be more actively maintained now than previously. 15:14:01 A system can do that and still be nonstandard. 15:15:34 Sorry, yes - I didn't mean to imply that just because it documents those bits that it adheres to the standard, but rather that the author(s) care about it. 15:15:51 right. Which is helpful. 15:17:46 Whoops, no. Still unmaintained. 15:18:26 you have some need of an embeddable C forth dealie? 15:19:01 ficl is still maintained from what I gather 15:19:39 I sent John Sadler an email about a bug in a cast used for alignment. He hasn't made a new release, but he was interested in the bug report. 15:20:48 imaginator, is he active in any fora? 15:21:19 I don't know. he's always answered 2 email messages for me over the years though. 15:22:15 nice guy. 15:22:57 speaking of, vatic are you reading this? 15:23:52 gnomon: the bug is in ficlAlignPointer(). It uses an int, instead of an intptr_t, so on x86_64 systems with pointers larger than int, the alignment may fail, and the pointer may be invalid afterwards. 15:24:58 That makes sense. 15:25:36 it's somewhat of an iffy issue, because it requires something like inttypes.h and intptr_t is an optional part of C99, and I also doubt Win32 supports it. 15:26:28 I was under the impression that you could just use long 15:27:13 factor is written in c99 and it compiles on win32 under gcc 15:27:28 tathi: on 64 bit windows sizeof(long) == 4... 15:27:54 oh. thanks. 15:27:58 slava: do you use intptr_t or compile test programs that use sizeof? 15:28:15 i just have an ifdef but i should use intptr_t since the ifdef predates the time when i switched to c99. 15:30:02 --- quit: arke (Remote closed the connection) 15:33:15 what, no ASau? 15:33:43 who will dispense arrogant fortune-cookie pronouncements in broken english? 15:34:16 WHO?! 15:35:30 Don't ask that! You're just begging for werty to discover IRC! 15:35:30 no takers? 15:35:41 heh 15:35:47 he comes close 15:35:54 hehe 15:36:27 is werty a kook or a troll? 15:36:51 little from column a, little from column b 15:36:55 I haven't been able to tell based on the few messages I read from him 15:39:01 he appears to be sincerely delusional, but he's also an abusive attention-seeker. 15:40:03 Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if he can actually code moderately well. 15:40:06 he seems to be edging toward troll recently. 15:40:33 I would be astonished if he could find his ass with both hands, a map, and a flashlight. 15:40:48 going after people instead of just claiming programmers who aren't him are all LUDDITES!! 15:41:32 he's not getting responses, so he's resorting to single attack in the hope of provoking a reply. 15:41:38 hmm luddites? that sounds like Robert Abitbol 15:41:49 he even mentioned factor once 15:42:11 Quartus, I know people who would be hard pressed to figure out the very first thing about behaving in a fashion not explosively offensive to everyone around them who can still code pretty well. They'll never be great coders because they'll never accept anything they haven't created themsellves, but they can still crank out working stuff. 15:42:19 Robert Abitbol is someone you probably don't ever want to meet. he's definitely a kook. the reason all of AOL is banned from write-access to the C2.com wiki 15:42:25 slava, more than once, actually. 15:43:00 werty is the world's greatest systems programmer 15:43:01 gnomon, maybe he's the King of Spain, but from what I can see he's a halfwit with a fixation. 15:45:19 one day he'll learn what those words mean, and be really embarassed. 15:45:33 --- join: arke (n=chris@pD9E07BCA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 15:45:33 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 15:46:10 like a teenage girl with a chinese tattoo that she thinks means 'angel'. 16:04:35 good evening 16:04:58 Quartus_: who is 'he', and what words? 16:07:38 --- nick: Zarutian_ -> Zarutian 16:20:47 --- join: Zarutian_ (n=Zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 16:20:49 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:22:16 --- nick: Zarutian_ -> Zarutian 16:25:11 --- join: mark4_ (n=mark4@70.102.202.162) joined #forth 16:26:28 --- quit: mark4 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:27:46 --- quit: virl ("Verlassend") 16:39:59 slava, werty, 'world's greatest...' 16:41:32 --- join: gForthIRC (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 16:42:00 --- quit: gForthIRC (Client Quit) 16:55:08 Quartus_: maybe werty is a teenage girl? 16:58:36 I doubt it. 16:58:51 he says he's old and rich 17:04:58 Yup 17:11:36 --- quit: azekeprofit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:55:53 --- quit: mark4_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:12:33 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 18:14:50 --- quit: Quartus_ ("used jmIrc") 18:15:55 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.2) joined #forth 18:15:55 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus_ 18:29:17 --- join: Zarutian_ (n=Zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 18:29:17 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:41:50 --- quit: vatic ("*poof*") 19:03:34 --- quit: zarchne (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:08:05 --- quit: Quartus_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:53:22 --- join: ttuttle (n=tom@gentoo/contributor/ttuttle) joined #forth 19:53:25 * ttuttle spams: http://digg.com/tech_news/Festivus_Easter_Egg_in_TellMe_1_800_555_TELL_voice_portal_TRY_IT 20:22:19 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:22:43 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@bas2-kitchener06-1096668571.dsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 20:33:02 --- quit: ttuttle ("leaving") 21:32:46 --- join: azekeprofit (i=azekePro@82.200.250.158) joined #forth 22:06:37 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 22:44:15 --- join: Paua (n=mutha@202.150.121.202) joined #forth 23:04:02 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-ca42568e16cf5b50) joined #forth 23:05:46 --- part: Paua left #forth 23:59:00 --- join: arke_ (n=chris@pD9E07748.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/07.02.09