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00:14:59 <zpg> hmm, just wrote a variant of <<<
00:15:02 <zpg> not quite clean yet.
00:24:00 <zpg> ASau: http://forth.pastebin.ca/328994
00:24:27 <zpg> i follow mine better, far from perfect though. try it if you like. not sure whether "get-line" is a worthwhile factoring though.
00:24:38 <zpg> makes "<<<" a tad easier to read.
00:26:16 <zpg> stack diagram's a bit fudged too; the convention, anyhow.
00:27:48 <zpg> but this prints, as you stated it ought to. i looked over the PLEAC code, it seems to be returning a string pair.
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00:45:58 <ASau> zpg: http://forth.pastebin.ca/329001
00:46:06 <ASau> You have memory leak.
00:46:15 <ASau> Guten Tag, ecraven.
00:49:11 <ecraven> hey ASau :)
00:49:25 <zpg> no leak, it's unfinished.
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00:52:30 <ASau> My version is finished and working.
00:53:01 <ASau> It's better to use "0 parse" instead of "parse-word".
00:54:14 <zpg> http://forth.pastebin.ca/329002
00:55:08 <zpg> you're using parse-word.
00:55:33 <zpg> and you've also got a memory leak, it would seem.
00:55:37 <ASau> It's suboptimal: you have memory allocation and string
00:55:38 <ASau> copying per line.
00:56:06 <ASau> I allocate memory only for end marker, which is freed on exit.
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00:57:12 <ASau> Everything is done in TIB.
00:57:17 <zpg> there,
00:57:18 <zpg> : type-until: ( "delimiter" "...<\n"delimiter">" -- )
00:57:18 <zpg>     parse-word save-mem
00:57:18 <zpg>     begin 0 parse 2over 2over str<> while
00:57:20 <zpg> 	    type refill if cr then repeat
00:57:24 <zpg>     2drop free-string ;
00:57:55 <zpg> anyhow, the code has converged, this is nitpicking. 
00:58:21 <zpg> but thanks for catching the extraneous save-mem
00:58:53 <ASau> I'm doing text preprocessing with similar technique.
00:59:07 <zpg> i don't like the naming of "<<<" as you might have guessed.
00:59:14 <zpg> was the earlier paste your previous version of it?
00:59:25 <ASau> I don't like "<<<" too.
01:00:07 <ASau> Actually, I implement refill loop and check for
01:00:07 <ASau> *** preprocessor lines.
01:00:25 <ASau> I remove standard prefix and "evaluate" the rest of "source".
01:00:48 <zpg> i see
01:00:52 <zpg> what do you make of --
01:00:54 <zpg> http://forth.pastebin.ca/329003
01:01:04 <zpg> in use? i quite like the naming of "type-until:"
01:02:06 <ASau> You have to REFILL before your first "0 PARSE".
01:02:46 <zpg> works fine here.
01:03:05 <ASau> Because you print the rest of line after end word:
01:03:21 <ASau> type-until: end-marker *this is printed*
01:03:27 <zpg> yeah
01:03:27 <ASau> *this is printed*
01:03:29 <zpg> i'm fine with that
01:03:32 <ASau> end-marker
01:03:46 <zpg> type-until: BLAH<everything else is printed>BLAH
01:04:32 <zpg> this isn't perl, i have no desire to refill all lines excluding the first. once the delimiting word has been stored, i'm fine to start printing straight away.
01:04:51 <zpg> you can still get your functionality if you want clarity.
01:05:00 <ASau> I think it's somewhat weird.
01:05:08 <ASau> But it's a matter of style.
01:05:33 <zpg> well, i'm not sure i'd ever use this, it's your code. i just found the earlier paste hard to follow so tried my hand at refactoring it.
01:05:49 <zpg> as i said, there appears to be convergence, so it wasn't in vain.
01:06:47 <ASau> I got used to this "begin refile while ( condition ) while
01:06:47 <ASau> *** ( action ) repeat ( clean-up ) then ( clean-up )" construction.
01:08:07 <ASau> I looks too complex at first glance, but it's a matter of custom, I think.
01:09:53 * zpg nods
01:10:57 <zpg> have fun, time to head. cheers for now.
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01:39:39 <ASau> Privet!
01:50:00 <ygrek> aloha
01:50:30 <ASau> What goes on?
01:51:30 <ygrek> snow goes on. First in this winter. I am happy :)
01:52:48 <ASau> Don't forget I'm in Russia too.
01:53:07 <ASau> What goes on in Forth field?
01:54:18 <ygrek> nothing special.. just finished my exams
01:55:21 <ASau> Tatiana's day?
01:56:00 <ygrek> aha
01:56:29 <ygrek> that too added in evolving my laziness
01:56:30 <ASau> If it's not secret, what university/institute do you attend?
01:57:02 <ygrek> Kiev Polytechnic
01:58:16 <ASau> I graduated Moscow State Univ.
01:58:29 <ygrek> cool
01:59:41 <ASau> Actually it's not as cool as you may think.
02:00:18 <ASau> Of course there're better and worse higher schools,
02:00:45 <ASau> but they're approximately equal.
02:00:51 <ygrek> I was always sure it was the strongest in math
02:01:03 <ygrek> maybe. anyway it is cool enough :)
02:01:41 <ASau> I can't speak for math, there's strong school in topology
02:01:42 <ASau> *** and diff. eq. in Voronezh.
02:02:57 <ASau> Physical Dept. of MSU is weaker than MIPT (MFTI).
02:04:30 <ASau> BTW, I've succeded to find employment where I program Emacs Lisp.
02:10:47 <ygrek> in Russia?
02:11:53 <ASau> In Moscow.
02:12:10 <ASau> Almost near Kremlin.
02:13:15 <ASau> BTW, there's Kiev dept. of this company.
02:13:29 <ASau> But they're Java men.
02:14:05 <ygrek> And what about Forth programming? I have heard only of few - and all were mostly hardware development
02:14:23 <ygrek> what for do they need Lisp?
02:15:26 <ASau> We're logged.
02:15:56 <ASau> join #forth-rus
02:17:12 <ASau> Actually, it's a big program which is Python + Common Lisp.
02:17:48 <ASau> Older version was partly in Java.
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02:18:27 <ASau> Dobry den, gnomon.
02:18:38 <ASau> Hmm.
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03:15:40 <zpg> hi
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03:45:36 <ASau> wb
03:46:49 <zpg> thanks; how's it going ASau?
03:47:14 <ASau> I've just returned from dinner.
03:47:40 <zpg> good?
03:48:40 <ASau> Fine.
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04:33:51 <ASau> Good afternoon, zak.
04:34:05 <zak> hey
04:39:09 <zak> are there any forth gui toolkits that don't use an object system? i'd just like to look into other approaches, if there are any [that work ;)]
04:39:39 <ASau> Hardly.
04:39:46 <ASau> Make your own.
04:40:39 <zak> well, that's the plan :) but if there are any UI toolkits around that aren't [essentially] OO, i'd like to see how they work
04:41:37 <ASau> Try find a paper on MS Research pages about using f.p. in graphics.
04:42:12 <zak> hmm
04:42:35 <ygrek> http://www.forth.org.ru/~yz/winctl.html
04:42:42 <ygrek> but it is in russian :)
04:43:22 <ygrek> and an example http://www.forth.org.ru/~yz/prog/winlib/calc.f
04:43:47 <ASau> RuFIG presense on the Net.
04:44:12 <ASau> - web applications for WinNT
04:44:20 <ASau> - GUI for WinNT
04:46:08 <zak> BAHAHAHA firefox had like, 20 tabs open... suddenly all but two disappear, and the "getting started with firefox" stuff comes up, like when you first install it... gotta love software these days :|
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05:10:35 <grub_booter> eee - t'was so much better when i were a lad...
05:15:29 <zak> you got a sex change?
05:16:36 <grub_booter> was offered in response to your 'gotta love software these days' comment
05:17:04 <grub_booter> when i were a lad, software was printed in magazines - and you had to type them in to use them
05:17:22 <Raystm2> on punch cards
05:18:04 <grub_booter> punch card tech was considered too advanced for 10 year olds...
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05:18:51 <zak> when i was a lad, windows xp didn't exist yet... that's all i've got to regret :) [was there ANYTHING else good about the 90's?]
05:18:57 <zpg> hi.
05:19:05 <zak> ehh
05:19:10 <zak> regret? wrong word
05:19:16 <zak> but i'm too tired to think of a better one
05:19:23 <Raystm2> When I was a lad, you had to re-wire the machine.
05:19:58 <zak> Raystm2: same... but only because the commodore 64 i got from the tip wasn't working
05:20:12 <grub_booter> when i was a lad, i was soldering op amps on to boards to simulate simple calculators
05:21:33 <Raystm2> Luxury!
05:22:05 <grub_booter> ... waiting for 'the cardboard box in't middle of road' comment...
05:22:28 <zak> i got to the point of briefly trying to wire up a Z80... then i realised it wouldn't acheive anything anyway, brushed it aside and smokes some pot
05:22:32 <Raystm2> When I was a lad, you had to wait for the 6volt line to heat all of the tubes before you could even think about calculating. :)
05:22:39 <zak> *smoked... damn, what's with my typos tonight
05:23:32 <Raystm2> Gotta go to work, see ya all from there. :)
05:23:39 <grub_booter> later
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06:34:39 <Ray_work> When I was a lad, you weren't a programmer, you were a data processor.
06:34:48 <Ray_work> Only wizards were programmers.
06:35:20 <Ray_work> You handed in your deck of cards to the wizard and hoped that he wouldn't chastize you for being an idiot.
06:36:40 <Ray_work> oh and if you didn't know.... FRIDAY!
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08:08:25 <Crest> lool
08:08:33 <Crest> i know
08:08:37 <Crest> weekend :)
08:52:56 <Ray_work> :)
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10:42:56 <mark4_> hrm.  is Tessa Celine Bonting another werty ?
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13:30:37 <mark4_> i got it! i know who werty is!
13:30:40 <mark4_> CLOG is werty!
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13:38:30 <Ray_work> lol. whay makes you say that, mark4?
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14:01:01 <JasonWoof> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.forth/browse_thread/thread/3a27c0ab654d1c90/a6f0928999405e38?lnk=st&q=comp.lang.forth+werty+eliza&rnum=2#a6f0928999405e38
14:17:20 <Quartus_> hey
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14:35:48 <mark4_> lol boredom :P
14:37:59 <Ray_work> Quartus hey. 
14:38:07 <Ray_work> mark4 :)
14:40:04 <Ray_work> Quartus: mark4: JasonWoof: did I share that link with ya'll about the new software that can take 2d pictures from the internet of an object and turn it into a 3d view?
14:40:45 <Ray_work> oh yes, I did with JasonWoof.
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14:49:18 <Quartus_> haven't looked at it yet.
14:49:47 <Ray_work> You may enjoy this one. 
14:50:03 <Ray_work> last one I gave you was the blue meanie economist.
14:50:06 <Ray_work> now wait 
14:50:11 <Ray_work> yikes
14:50:14 <Ray_work> no wait
14:50:20 <Ray_work> james burke in the middle of all that.
14:50:30 <Ray_work> so i'm batting 666
14:50:42 <Ray_work> if you like this one that is.
14:52:32 <mark4_> i think the eliza program was the smarter of the two :)
14:53:24 <Ray_work> oh you saw it?
14:53:25 <Ray_work> cool.
14:53:26 <mark4_> errr gavino wants to know how to iggy werty lol
14:53:31 <Ray_work> ya. that was bad ass.
14:53:37 <Ray_work> iggy?
14:53:39 <mark4_> lol
14:53:42 <mark4_> ignore i guess
14:53:49 <Ray_work> oh hehe.
14:54:54 <mark4_> i just bought a RO water filter and it came with a tds meter. i measured the tap water here at work at its got 999 ish parts per million of impurities
14:55:09 <mark4_> i measured the filtered water from the coffee machine and its got 1200+ ppm
14:55:36 <Ray_work> gavino keeps thinking that if he changes his nick with out changin isp that he can get in here.
14:56:12 <Ray_work> yikes
14:56:13 <mark4_> lol
14:57:22 <Ray_work> city water?
14:57:38 <mark4_> btw 900 ppm is the worst ive seen anywhere.  the phoenix area has the worst water in the country.  ive seen places with less than 100 ppm PRE filtered
14:57:45 <mark4_> yes. city water
14:57:58 <Ray_work> Colorado river?
14:58:03 <mark4_> thats why i got this RO water filler. 
14:58:05 <mark4_> dunno
14:58:10 <mark4_> its possible
14:58:15 <Ray_work> I know Yuma is.
14:58:24 <mark4_> are u in AZ ?
14:58:29 <Ray_work> Don't blame you.
14:58:49 <Ray_work> no, my brother used to clean the colorado before it exited into mexico.
14:58:57 <Ray_work> I went there for his wedding.
14:59:07 <Ray_work> He lives IN colorado now. :)
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14:59:23 <Ray_work> My father-in-law swares by the R-O.
14:59:41 <Ray_work> He even puts magnets on the pipes :)
14:59:51 <mark4_> problem wth RO is that it wasts more water than other filtering methods
14:59:59 <mark4_> lol
15:00:24 <mark4_> this filter has pre-filtering filters to remove larger contaminants and chemicals that the RO wont remove
15:00:27 <Ray_work> did not know that.
15:00:34 <Ray_work> ya
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15:07:15 * Ray_work looks up reverse osmosis 
15:07:47 * Ray_work ends up at Howstuffworks
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15:09:51 <Ray_work> bye see ya from la casa
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15:10:34 <Quartus_> then there's yer Fluoride the Commies put in
15:12:13 <mark4_> Rolol
15:12:52 <mark4_> u think flouride is bad for you ?
15:13:02 <Quartus_> I was poppavicing
15:13:07 <mark4_> oh lol
15:13:31 <mark4_> did u see above where i figured out who werty is ?
15:13:48 <Quartus_> no
15:13:58 <mark4_> CLOG!!!!
15:14:01 <mark4_> glog is werty!
15:14:04 <Quartus_> ah
15:14:17 <mark4_> clog is a bot, werty is a bot
15:14:28 <mark4_> clog has been in here for enough time to learn something of forth
15:14:37 <mark4_> 2+2 = 5 !
15:14:50 <Quartus_> ok
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16:03:00 <nighty-> Quartus: How do I output in binary formated ? 
16:03:13 <nighty-> Quartus: I can use %10101 in gforth 
16:03:29 <nighty-> but how can I output the result in % ( binary)
16:03:44 <nighty-> is there a way to do this  ? 
16:04:33 <nighty-> I mean to store the result of an operation in binary on the stack 
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16:13:06 <Raystm2> mark4: Quartus: that same father-in-law that uses magnets on his R-O water pipes, He's famous in Kansas for keep floridation out of the  water there. He's been fighting it for years and has much compelling evidence. 
16:13:58 <Raystm2> He's a scientist. He had the grant to study the feasibility of turning ponds into solar collectors, amonst other things.
16:14:27 <Raystm2> Not that that qualifies him. :)
16:14:31 <nighty-> Ok I am being ignored big time here :)
16:14:37 <Raystm2> Just some background. 
16:14:41 <Raystm2> nightly?
16:14:58 <Raystm2> oh sorry, hadn't got that far down yet. :)
16:15:22 <nighty-> :)
16:15:27 <Raystm2> you want binary representation on the stack in gforth? 
16:15:35 <nighty-> I guess yes :)
16:15:45 * Raystm2 looks it up cuz i don't know it off top of head.
16:15:54 <nighty-> I went thru the doc
16:15:57 <Raystm2> i've never done it. 
16:16:00 <Raystm2> okay.
16:16:02 <nighty-> but I could not find
16:16:15 <nighty-> now maybe I missed it
16:16:40 * Raystm2 looking...
16:18:45 <Raystm2> doh! what about     2  base ! :)
16:20:23 <Raystm2> %
16:20:34 <Raystm2> file:///C:/Program%20Files/gforth/doc/gforth/Number-Conversion.html#Number%20Conversion
16:20:45 <Raystm2> doh! that's a local file sorry . :)
16:21:04 <nighty-> 2 base
16:21:06 <nighty-> uhmm ok 
16:21:32 <nighty-> %1100 %1111 xor 2 base .s <3> 3 2 672747548 
16:22:05 <nighty-> not really what I had in mind for a binary result :)
16:24:22 <Raystm2> http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/manuals/lang/gforth-0.6.2/gforth_120.html#SEC120 
16:24:28 <Raystm2> gforth manual online ther.
16:24:31 <Raystm2> there even.
16:24:54 <Raystm2> about number conversion.
16:25:50 <nighty-> does not help me much 
16:26:02 <nighty-> I read this
16:26:07 <nighty-> unless I did not understand
16:26:19 <nighty-> this does not tell you how to do what I want to do 
16:26:22 <nighty-> does it ? 
16:27:55 * Raystm2 reading what it was  you wanted to do.
16:27:56 <nighty-> going home
16:28:05 <Raystm2> okay, nice weekend! :)
16:28:13 <nighty-> thanks
16:29:21 <Raystm2> base @ 5 2 base ! . base !
16:29:43 <Raystm2> or
16:30:32 <Raystm2> : print-binary ( n -- binary-n ) base @ swap 2 base ! . base ! ;
16:31:12 <Raystm2> untested. but i'll try it now.
16:32:55 <Raystm2> doh! that stack comment is really ( n--)
16:33:10 <Raystm2> but it works just fine.
16:33:32 <Raystm2> leave out the . ( dot ) and check stack = next test.
16:36:20 <Raystm2> don't work like that :)
16:40:56 <Quartus_> 2 base !
16:41:02 <Quartus_> don't forget the !
16:42:12 <Quartus_> %1100 %1111 xor 2 base ! . -> 11
16:43:53 <Raystm2> neat. 
16:44:04 <Raystm2> thanks Neal. I hope nighty- sees.
16:44:42 <Raystm2> for . to represent the number in the base you want, you must change the base for the duration of .
16:46:21 <Raystm2> then it's recommened to change it back.
16:47:10 <mark4_> base @ do-something base !
16:47:30 <mark4_> i recommend not messing wtih base unless you absolutely have to
16:47:42 <Raystm2> yes. agreed. :)
16:47:57 <Raystm2> so, I went and wrote a chess in base 18 :)
16:49:07 <mark4_> why base 18?
16:50:47 <Raystm2> 12345678(90notUsed)abcdefg
16:50:53 <Raystm2> board co-ords
16:51:06 <Raystm2> instanly became a subset of the PGN.
16:51:17 <Raystm2> just changing base.
16:51:19 <mark4_> oh lol
16:51:22 <mark4_> duh
16:51:26 <Raystm2> neat huh?
16:51:54 <mark4_> can it beat gnu chess?
16:51:58 <mark4_> }:)
16:52:13 <Raystm2> after reading the MVPforth tutorial and Starting Forth, I had that little inspiration and wrote B18chess for win32 and gforth.
16:52:21 <Raystm2> no not yet, no ai yet. 
16:52:30 <mark4_> dang :P
16:52:32 <Raystm2> I won't quit till it's done or i die trying.
16:52:41 <Raystm2> so... stay tuned. 
16:52:49 <mark4_> :)
16:52:54 <mark4_> port it to isforth :)
16:53:04 <Raystm2> I'll be stealing from 2 chesses i've found online.
16:53:28 <Raystm2> I have a tight little version of a chess in retroforth 9+ right now...
16:54:13 <Raystm2> http://retroforth.org/projects/darcs/RxChess/RxChess.forth
16:54:39 <mark4_> i cant read retro forth lol
16:56:02 <Raystm2> its okay, i've started a standard version.
16:56:49 <mark4_> erm. thats even worse :)
16:56:50 <mark4_> lol
16:56:53 <Raystm2> hehe.
16:56:54 <mark4_> ok, i gtg home
16:57:02 <Raystm2> k safe trip good weekend!
16:57:13 <mark4_> did you rtfm how RO works ?
16:57:16 <mark4_> u 2
17:00:39 <Raystm2> I had it up at work and only briefly browsed the artical but...
17:01:02 <Raystm2> It's something like having two liquids separated by a membrain.
17:01:04 <Raystm2> e?
17:01:12 <Raystm2> e at the end of membraine?
17:01:17 <Raystm2> o well.
17:01:37 <Raystm2> one liquid draws the other thru the membrane.
17:02:09 <Raystm2> wait,. that's osmosis
17:02:20 <Raystm2> reverse --- I didn't get quite that far.
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19:35:55 <Quartus> Hey.
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21:00:16 <Raystm2> Hey. 
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