00:00:00 --- log: started forth/07.01.14 03:31:38 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 03:36:54 --- quit: I440r__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:00:43 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:02:10 --- quit: BirdReynolds (Client Quit) 04:05:31 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:05:53 --- quit: BirdReynolds (Client Quit) 04:06:12 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:11:07 --- quit: BirdReynolds (Client Quit) 04:13:34 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:28:15 --- quit: spear_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:28:40 --- quit: BirdReynolds ("a quit that really quits") 04:33:14 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:35:18 --- quit: BirdReynolds (Client Quit) 04:35:34 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:43:50 --- quit: BirdReynolds ("a quit that really quits") 04:45:09 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:45:41 --- quit: BirdReynolds (Client Quit) 04:49:01 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:49:09 --- quit: BirdReynolds (Client Quit) 04:49:46 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:51:06 --- quit: BirdReynolds (Client Quit) 04:52:23 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 05:29:34 --- join: Jules_ (i=Jules@cp550544-a.landg1.lb.home.nl) joined #forth 05:33:08 --- join: GonzoTheGreat (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 05:36:16 Any activity here? 05:45:25 --- quit: BirdReynolds (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:57:16 --- quit: GonzoTheGreat ("a quit that really quits") 06:04:47 --- join: frunobulax (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 06:05:15 --- quit: frunobulax (Client Quit) 06:06:55 --- join: frunobulax (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 06:07:24 --- quit: frunobulax (Client Quit) 06:39:20 --- join: zpg (n=user@85-210-33-187.dsl.pipex.com) joined #forth 06:58:00 --- quit: zpg (Remote closed the connection) 07:08:13 yes. 07:08:28 --- join: edrx (n=Eduardo@201.5.14.225) joined #forth 07:08:58 although not in the last fiveish hours; going by the channel's timezone biases. 07:17:30 --- quit: Jules_ ("Ik ga weg") 09:19:20 hey 09:29:23 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:39:07 --- join: Zarutian (n=Zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 09:45:48 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 09:45:48 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 09:55:19 --- join: zpg (n=user@85-210-33-187.dsl.pipex.com) joined #forth 09:55:26 hi. 09:57:26 hi zpg 09:57:39 hi tathi 09:59:42 what's up? 10:00:02 little. finished the Buber though. 10:00:10 Buber? 10:00:14 Martin. 10:00:20 Martin Buber? 10:00:29 yes. the reading i mentioned yesterday. 10:01:01 So now I have to go look up Martin Buber, and guess which of his books you were reading yesterday? 10:01:03 i must have attempted this chapter half a dozen times, finally finished it. 10:01:43 Heh, no of course not. The book is "Between Man and Man", Martin Buber was a Jewish philosopher. "Theologian" is sometimes applied, but I don't think it apt. 10:02:02 Most famous for "I and Thou" 10:02:10 Never heard of it. 10:02:46 So it goes. 10:02:56 He discusses threading in depth. 10:03:05 Metaphorically of course. 10:03:19 --- quit: edrx (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 10:22:42 --- quit: zpg ("dinner") 10:24:29 how goes it, tathi? 10:25:28 I'm a little puzzled by one decision in the proposed cross-compiling standard. 10:26:14 what's the puzzle? 10:26:16 They explicitly say that words defined in INTERPRETER scope are not available in COMPILER scope. 10:26:48 but...given that INTERPRETER is where you redefine HERE @ ! etc., I'd think you would want them available for COMPILER definitions. 10:27:53 unfortunately I'm not where I can review the doc right at the moment. 10:28:30 I'm probably just going to do it the way I think it should be. 10:29:26 the doc's method benefits of having been used and tested pretty widely. 10:29:51 I'm sure Pelc or Rather would be happy to clarify. 10:30:07 yeah. I should probably figure out how to post to c.l.f. and ask 10:30:09 or something. 10:30:22 sure. Groups.google.com 10:31:00 the doc is also talking about complete cross-compilers, whereas I want a framework for constructing cross-compilers. 10:31:04 if you're going to diverge, best to be clear as to what you're diverging from first :) 10:31:16 I'm clear what I'm diverging from. 10:31:29 I just don't know why they made that decision; it doesn't seem to have any advantages. 10:31:49 well, that is what may benefit of clarification. 10:32:08 yeah. 10:33:37 grr. google wants cookies. 10:33:40 why rather than what. 10:34:01 yes, it saves one I think 11:02:20 hi folks 11:02:34 hi 11:11:45 --- join: zpg (n=user@85-210-33-187.dsl.pipex.com) joined #forth 11:29:44 I just saw one of these go by me on the road: http://bluevelo.com/mango.html 11:34:06 --- join: jackokring (n=jackokri@static-195-248-105-144.adsl.hotchilli.net) joined #forth 11:55:08 --- join: arke_ (n=chris@pD9E04E27.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 11:56:43 --- join: Jules_ (i=Jules@cp550544-a.landg1.lb.home.nl) joined #forth 12:01:04 --- quit: zpg ("ERC Version 4.0 $Revision: 1.600 $ (IRC client for Emacs)") 12:08:27 --- quit: Jules_ ("Ik ga weg") 12:12:27 --- quit: arke (Connection timed out) 13:11:33 --- join: TheBlueWizard (i=TheBlueW@ts001d0751.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) joined #forth 13:12:42 --- join: I440r__ (n=foo@ip70-162-111-107.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 13:14:49 --- nick: I440r__ -> I440r 13:15:38 hiya I440r :) 13:19:13 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 13:48:51 the sound of Forth programmers all busy coding? :) 13:50:24 yup 13:50:31 tbw :) 13:50:33 hi :) 13:50:47 no my heat has been off all night and the guy just left after finding out what was wrong 13:50:59 he didnt fix it yet but he got the heat going 13:51:10 how do you even notice, in AZ? 13:51:17 the stat is iffy, if you flick it with your finger it comes on 13:51:31 its about 50 degrees outside. 55 inside all night 13:51:43 rose to 60 this morning and then 65 when i cooked 13:57:01 Dang it! I'm such a dolt sometimes. 13:57:35 I just replied to a c.l.f that I replied to a month ago. 13:57:43 heh 13:57:54 It was to you, too. :) 13:57:55 different answer this time? 13:58:13 No but better detailed. 13:58:17 I'll re-read it later. :) 13:58:23 Don't bother. 13:58:34 about ml md mu mr? 13:58:40 ya. 13:59:00 mi mo ma mb. 13:59:37 M a ma m e me m i micky mi m o mo micky mi mo me mu moo micky mi mo mu. 14:00:00 Is that your latest cf code? :) 14:00:22 or are you quoting werty ? 14:00:24 heh 14:00:41 Ya, you run it and the mouse jumps up and slaps you and the monitor in while the speakers go wub-wub-wub-wun 14:01:17 Can't be. That'd take several hundred blocks. 14:02:07 plus it's hard to make a timer-driven square-wave speaker go 'wub'. Or does cf support audio hardware? 14:02:41 I've seen code for both the PCspeaker and the sound card. 14:03:02 Some specific sound card, I assume. 14:03:32 If you can find a general linux driver in open source with good docs for your hardware, your well on your way. 14:04:17 ... to re-writing the driver in cf? 14:04:26 Yes sir. 14:04:41 Enough said. 14:04:45 Seems to be the path of least resistence. 14:05:12 nothing about colorforth is 'the path of least resistance'. 14:05:33 Doesn't there have to be one just by definition? :) 14:06:00 If the path leads to pointlessly wasting time, then yes. 14:07:07 More Burke again today ( Ray quickly changes the subject, but in an obvious way ) Only one left to go to complete The Day the Universe Changed. 14:08:51 I haven't started on them yet, 14:09:15 Have you started Connections? 14:17:50 a few of them. Sorry, got sidetracked for a second. 14:23:27 Don't be sorry. I like this format just for that reason. Go, live your life, comeback and tell me about it. :)_ 14:24:08 coffee presently. Then back home. That's as exciting as today gets. :) 14:24:21 Nice. 14:24:43 We are having winter this week. Getting out means to from work or store. 14:24:55 Or gas. 14:25:08 snow? 14:25:15 No. Ice tho. 14:25:34 sub-freezing temperatures? 14:25:35 That's all they need in these parts for the wrecks to start piling up. 14:25:38 Ya. 14:25:48 Major push from the arctic. 14:26:01 Second one following in a few days. 14:26:53 There were no less then three vehicals that fell off of the clover leafs just down the street from the house. Made the news as I was leaving for the store. 14:28:46 sad. 14:29:43 Texans, They never expect the Spanish Icequisition. 14:29:54 stupid stretch that. 14:31:01 we have people here who seem to drive even more casually when it snows. They have less of an excuse, as it's the norm here in winter. 14:31:44 Ya. 14:31:56 still, being able to competently operate the vehicle in adverse weather is a requirement. Sounds like down there, it would mean slowing down about 5 mph, and nothing else. 14:32:39 They think they can brake on the bridges. 14:35:05 Of course, Texas is truck world. Trucks have no weight in the back and tend to be rear wheel drive. 14:36:05 Some of these trucks have so much torque that taking your foot off of the peddle to coast thru a bridge actually slows the wheels and breaks the friction. 14:39:12 Thins the herd, I guess. 14:39:33 haha. 14:40:59 --- mode: ChanServ set +o I440r 14:44:07 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 14:51:26 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 14:52:17 --- quit: jackokring (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:01:24 I see there's a reply, tathi 15:03:30 yeah. ugly solution though, in my opinion. 15:04:16 I can't comment, I haven't dug deeply enough into it. 15:04:28 --- join: tgunr (n=tgunr@70-41-250-224.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 15:09:59 --- part: tgunr left #forth 15:10:45 well, it's interesting anyhow 15:13:55 good that you can get an answer back from one of the key authors so quickly. 15:14:12 yeah 15:22:47 --- join: zpg (n=user@81-179-71-20.dsl.pipex.com) joined #forth 15:46:22 --- quit: zpg ("ERC Version 5.1.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 16:07:46 --- nick: arke_ -> arke 16:14:47 --- join: BirdReynolds (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 16:29:19 --- quit: BirdReynolds ("a quit that really quits") 16:41:22 --- join: zpg (n=user@81-179-71-20.dsl.pipex.com) joined #forth 16:41:33 hi 16:41:53 'lo 16:41:59 hi Quartus, what's up? 16:42:06 same old. you? 16:42:21 ditto :) 16:42:40 just saw the mu ml etc. colorForth thread. 16:43:02 right, the name-collision thing. Ridiculous design. 16:43:09 i hadn't realised it was so readily apparent. 16:43:20 hey, at least you can still define "oy!" 16:44:53 yes, the ! is in the 48-character set 16:45:43 how fortunate. 16:46:02 and there i was thinking colorforth was an alphabetic corset. 16:49:08 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:49:31 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@bas2-kitchener06-1096668571.dsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 18:08:41 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-188-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 18:12:10 --- quit: zpg ("ERC Version 5.1.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 18:17:04 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18:17:28 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 18:39:13 --- quit: ayrnieu (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 18:46:50 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:16:33 Alpha Test Version: Too buggy to be released to the paying public. 19:16:34 Beta Test Version: Still too buggy to be released. 19:16:34 Release Version: Alternate pronunciation of "Beta Test Version". 19:16:44 cynic :) 19:49:09 --- join: TreyB_ (n=trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 19:49:33 --- join: ayrnieu (n=julian@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/ayrnieu) joined #forth 20:06:44 --- quit: TreyB (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:26:01 wtf:matches/2 takes a list L and a return of regexp:matches/2 and returns a list of the matching sublists of L. I should rip that out and put it in a proper utility library; I have it repeated in three or four ad-hoc webscraping modules. 20:26:17 wrong window? 20:26:28 oops, yes. 20:33:06 --- nick: TreyB_ -> TreyB 21:07:24 this is a very strange little bit of html:
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