00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.12.30 00:20:32 hmm 00:22:42 What's this, "name that tune"? 00:24:45 --- join: skas (i=sszukals@202-90-54-135.static.linearg.net) joined #forth 00:26:22 --- quit: skas (Client Quit) 00:26:53 --- part: Quartus_ left #forth 00:28:48 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 00:28:48 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus_ 00:59:22 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 02:11:41 --- join: tgkuoFt (n=tgkuoFt@125-233-5-181.dynamic.hinet.net) joined #forth 02:34:08 --- part: tgkuoFt left #forth 02:37:43 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:52:00 --- join: ASau (n=user@home-pool-173-2.com2com.ru) joined #forth 03:56:01 --- join: frunobulax (n=anonym@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 04:00:03 --- quit: frunobulax (Client Quit) 04:17:46 --- join: ayrnieu (n=julian@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/ayrnieu) joined #forth 04:18:04 --- join: earth| (n=sqrt@89.240.92.43) joined #forth 04:52:35 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 04:52:36 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 05:28:28 --- join: zpg (n=user@81-179-178-139.dsl.pipex.com) joined #forth 05:28:52 hi zpg 05:31:57 hey tathi 06:11:55 --- quit: earth| ("\") 06:41:11 --- quit: ellisway (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06:44:59 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 06:53:02 --- quit: zpg ("cheers for now") 07:23:27 --- quit: Cheery (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:23:29 --- join: Cheer1 (n=Cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 07:32:18 --- quit: tathi ("bbl") 07:46:35 --- join: zpg (n=user@81-179-139-245.dsl.pipex.com) joined #forth 07:47:03 re 08:20:06 Hi! 08:33:40 hey 08:39:35 Any news? 08:40:19 --- join: ellisway (n=ellis@host-87-74-241-174.bulldogdsl.com) joined #forth 08:40:46 Good evening, ellisway. 08:45:38 --- nick: Cheer1 -> Cheery 09:03:52 nothing doing here ASau -- how about yourself? 09:16:28 I'm improving DragonForth for my own needs. 09:16:42 Still, you can get most of it from sf.net. 09:19:22 --- join: jackokring (n=jackokri@static-195-248-105-144.adsl.hotchilli.net) joined #forth 09:19:56 Good evening, jackokring. 09:21:38 dragonforth? isn't that the gpl'd palm forth? 09:21:48 Yes. 09:21:53 interesting. 09:22:22 I develop it. 09:22:31 ahh okay. 09:23:00 neat. 09:23:09 If you have any suggestions, you may tell me. 09:23:42 well, when on the palm i tinker in QF 09:23:49 i've not checked out your dragonforth yet. 09:24:42 actually, on the agenda is a mult-tasker in gforth. 09:25:22 Why do you need it? 09:25:34 zpg - other than the one gforth already includes? 09:25:48 There's even better multitasker in UNIX. 09:26:03 ayrnieu: i couldn't see one in gforth, only USER 09:26:23 ASau: it's for switching between loops inside a single forth process. 09:26:28 zpg - see tasker.fs in the distribution. 09:27:07 ayrnieu: neat, thanks for the info. i checked the manual but this: "In a Forth system that has a multi-tasker, each task has its own set of user variables." suggested i was out of luck. 09:27:25 i read "we don't have one at the moment" implicitly. 09:28:05 It is easy to switch user areas. 09:28:13 zpg - I've used the multitasker in TCP client applications, and some shootout Forth uses it. 09:28:15 Just define your USER. 09:30:51 thanks, that's a big help. 09:30:58 less work for me :) 09:32:01 DOES> makes it possible to multitask in bare Forth. 09:49:20 to make it multitask, ehm how? 10:21:21 0 value user-base 10:21:22 indeed, how? 10:21:51 : user create ... does> user-base + ; 10:22:14 Which allows for task-specific user variables, but it does not make multitasking possible. 10:22:15 Well 10:22:58 Switching is done with other means. 10:43:54 --- quit: jackokring (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:46:34 --- join: tathi (n=josh@c-68-81-250-189.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:46:37 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 10:47:28 hey tathi 10:47:49 hi Quartus 10:47:50 how goes it? 10:49:25 Not too bad. You? 10:50:05 Fairly well -- doing some electrical work and maybe some car repair. 10:54:36 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-f0dbd317430ecc85) joined #forth 11:02:08 ygrek: RusNet banned my ISP, sorry. 11:50:36 --- join: arke_ (n=chris@pD9E077D5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 12:03:20 --- join: frunobulax (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 12:04:33 --- join: jackokring (n=jackokri@static-195-248-105-144.adsl.hotchilli.net) joined #forth 12:07:24 --- quit: arke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:07:55 --- quit: frunobulax ("a quit that really quits") 12:24:01 what is shhotout forth? 12:24:05 souutout ? 12:35:38 pardon? 12:39:39 hi zpg 12:40:19 hey Quartus_ 12:40:29 mobile? 12:41:24 I am. 12:45:02 anywhere exciting? 12:45:24 no :) 12:45:59 heh 12:48:19 ASau, what you mean? 12:48:49 I mean, I can't connect to RusNet IRC. 12:48:50 I mean - why sorry ;) 12:49:01 OK. 12:52:09 ygrek: And. 12:53:48 I've moved, I'm short of time and can't work on SPF. 12:54:21 it happens 12:54:39 Also I'm to refuse using NT. 12:55:05 I'll run SPF under WINE/NetBSD. 12:56:03 there is linux port. It will be cool if somebody will check it and report/fix problems 12:56:33 Using Linux port seems no better perspective. 12:56:52 SPF? 12:57:08 you can be a guinea-pig :) 12:57:23 If I have time, I'll port to NetBSD. 12:57:38 http://spf.sourceforge.net/ ? 12:57:42 virl: Yes, I'm speaking about SPF. 12:57:43 yep. that will eb really useful... but of course much work.. 12:57:58 tathi, yes 12:58:22 Other way: I move all my development to Gforth. 12:58:53 you decide 12:59:02 Sorry, I've to be pragmatic. 13:00:15 In lack of time I've to decide whether I continue DF 13:00:15 development using SPF/WINE, or SPF/Linux-emulated, or I move to 13:00:15 UNIX Forth. 13:01:24 if your target is DF than surely you should get the most simple way to do it 13:01:46 You understand. 13:07:55 SPF can't be ported to NetBSD with ease? 13:09:23 zpg, no 13:10:50 zpg: It is _native_ compiler, it does not use any 13:10:50 intermediate levels, neither C, nor C++, nor others. 13:12:03 hmm okay. so are there two concurrent efforts going on for Linux/x86 and Win32/x86? 13:13:52 Sorry, I don't understand. 13:13:55 on SF.net it's listed as "Operating System: All 32-bit MS Windows (95/98/NT/2000/XP), All POSIX (Linux/BSD/UNIX-like OSes), WinCE, Win2K, WinXP", incidentally. 13:14:26 ASau: well, if it's an effort to port to NetBSD/x86, I assume there are two source trees, one for linux and one for windows at the moment? 13:15:36 smth like that 13:15:52 ouch. 13:16:02 I can't tell for sure, but I think, there's Linux 13:16:02 portability layer. 13:16:17 no one was really interested in linux port so it exists as a proof of concept for now 13:17:12 It is in separate tree now, but I think it's because it was developped independently. 13:17:50 presumably if it's a native compiler, you wouldn't have to rewrite too much to assemble on NetBSD? 13:18:24 or is the main hassle building the executable? 13:18:42 i'm thinking in very simple memory image (.COM) terms here 13:19:47 the main hassle is the lack of interest I suppose 13:19:59 or time 13:20:44 I've not looked for now. 13:22:08 i can almost taste the apathy :) 13:23:39 I have only 8 full days (if I don't eat) to move all this 13:23:39 stuff to NetBSD. 13:24:09 I tried WINE and succeded, but I don't think it's good. 13:24:13 you'd better eat %) 13:24:50 why not? SPF uses not much winapi in the core.. maybe it will do 13:25:08 if all you do is TC 13:25:16 anyway 13:25:28 I gonna have a sleep :) 13:25:32 sorry 13:25:33 BYE 13:25:36 BYE 13:25:37 --- part: ygrek left #forth 13:26:16 I see the real SP-Forther: "BYE" in all caps. 13:27:49 * zpg grins 13:28:53 It seems I can't code one more hour. 13:29:29 I can't do it and watch TV simultaniously. 13:31:15 --- join: frunobulax (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 13:34:37 so turn off the TV 13:34:44 Good evening, frunobulax. 13:34:56 tathi: No, the film is intersting. 13:35:03 ...interesting. 13:36:10 I'm employed as LISP programmer now, I don't want to be so geekish. 13:38:07 It is not my intention to be programmer at work and at home. 13:38:23 Good evening, ASau. Forgive the delay, this is an experimental IRC client written in Forth. 13:38:33 Really? 13:38:36 Do you provide code? 13:39:20 Yes, but are you expecting standard Forth? 13:39:35 Actually, it does not matter much. 13:41:16 frunobulax: which dialect? 13:42:46 iForth. 13:43:15 This should be standard. 13:43:43 frunobulax: is your code online? 13:44:10 Have to quit. The logic of IRC is too complex for this client yet ;-) 13:44:18 heh okay, good luck! 13:45:14 --- quit: frunobulax ("a quit that really quits") 14:09:06 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 14:28:06 --- join: goathead (n=anonym@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 14:28:51 --- part: goathead left #forth 14:31:51 --- join: goathead (n=anonym@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 14:32:54 wb goath 14:33:52 wb? 14:33:58 Good... Night? 14:34:11 Welcome, anyway. 14:35:08 My nick is locked out. Is there a command to see who actually holds it? 14:41:10 goathead: i only know of RECOVER and RELEASE i'm afraid 14:42:22 I think it is because I closed the connection without quitting. I am not experienced with IRC... 14:47:51 it'll time out, then. 14:48:22 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 14:51:10 goathead: look at "/msg nickserv help recover" 14:54:51 --- quit: goathead ("testing it out, thanks zpg!") 15:05:25 Humans from around the world... Hello! 15:05:59 --- join: frunobulaks (n=mhx@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 15:06:45 frunobulaks: no luck? 15:06:45 Hello! 15:06:47 hi Raystm2 15:09:02 :zpg: No luck yet. The nickserv database only works if you register *before* you have trouble. 15:09:14 ouch. 15:09:31 frunobulaks: yup. 15:09:40 it'll timeout eventually. 15:10:03 the basic irc protocol has no authentication 15:10:09 Which name? I mean, crc or JasonWoof or Quartus could punt it, no? 15:10:29 Raystm2: we can eject someone from this channel, but we can't make them disconnect from the server 15:10:48 Gotcha. 15:11:12 No problem. At least my IRC logic problem is solved. Need to do some multitasking to store data when I type, maybe. 15:11:29 the registering/nickserv stuff does work (after registering and seting it up right) even if you connect, and drop out before authenticating 15:11:53 frunobulaks: you writing an irc client? 15:12:27 Yes, better, I am using it right now :-) 15:13:20 * Raystm2 still watching James Burke Connections, online. 15:14:06 cool 15:14:26 I have nickserv set to boot anybody who logs in with my nick and doesn't authenticate 15:14:30 frunobulaks: what prompted this project? 15:14:37 apparently you have 60 seconds to authenticate 15:16:08 frunobulaks: you writing this client in forth by chance? 15:16:37 the auth system still has issues though 15:16:45 * zpg whispers something about frunobulaks being Marcel Hendrix 15:17:10 zpg: that name sounds farmilliar kinda 15:17:13 zpg: Idle curiosity. And the client I downloaded, DANA is 300 K. (Forth is 90 lines of ASCII). The unix sources I looked at are huge. Seem to reimplement sockets et al. So ... I'm learning something new. 15:17:16 frunobulaks: you writing this client in forth by chance? 15:17:16 the auth system still has issues though 15:17:16 * frunobulaks whispers something about frunobulaks being Marcel Hendrix 15:17:16 zpg: that name sounds farmilliar kinda 15:17:42 er... 15:18:20 bit of a feedback loop there 15:18:24 Oh, and DANA either beeps or flashes irritatingly. I wanted that turned off, but you can't. 15:18:42 * zpg nods 15:18:52 I recommend irssi. the default config is weird, but it's a great client once you get it set up right 15:19:01 frunobulaks: can you see the 'feedback' at your end? 15:21:27 zpg: Yes, odd. (Not in the Forth console, but in the browser log at bespin.) 15:21:53 quite. 15:22:15 btw -- you mention the unix sources re-implementing sockets -- i take it iForth has a sockets library that you're making use of? 15:23:57 zpg: Of course. 15:26:02 --- join: goathead (n=anonym@f233149.upc-f.chello.nl) joined #forth 15:26:41 this is getting surreal. 15:27:09 hmm, if a forth demo could win a demo contest? I mean compression algorithms which concentrate on text would decrease a source dramatically. 15:27:24 demoscene? 15:29:42 yep, demoscene, I didn't anything into that direction, but it interests me. 15:33:09 about 20k needs the source of stroq, so when we add the size of a small forth like retroforth which is about 20k, it could be possible. 15:35:59 interesting stuff, not sure. 15:36:16 best head off -- night all. 15:36:26 --- quit: zpg ("night") 15:40:44 the ICFP Programming Contest sounds pretty cool 15:41:02 as a bonus, afaik, it doesn't require any graphics or networking capability 15:41:11 so we could use just about any forth 15:44:27 Did you follow this year's contest? A slow Forth would not have done. Ian used gforth, Dth wouldn't have worked. Ian and Dennis used gforth, SwiftForth had problems (apparently). 15:45:37 --- part: goathead left #forth 15:51:15 ICFP? 15:53:58 Hey Marcel. Neal Bridges here. 15:56:37 Hi Neal. 16:00:22 frunobulaks: no, I don't even know what the challenge was this year 16:01:29 Then check here: http://icfpcontest.org/scoreboard.shtml (three Forth teams..) 16:16:53 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 16:16:53 --- mode: ChanServ set +o slava 16:22:14 looks like a pretty simple virtual machine 16:22:59 I love the way that stuff is written. made it fun to read 16:28:43 The fun thing is that the VM runs a unix, and that under that unix you can run BASIC programs to hack your fellow user accounts. 16:35:32 --- join: I440r (n=mark4@ip70-162-111-107.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 16:35:47 lol the python web page lists alot of companies that use python 16:35:56 every single one of them also uses forth :) 16:36:02 except rackspace 16:36:04 I guess there's more to it once you get the VM running 16:36:27 erm - ok. astrazeneca i dont know about 16:37:52 what's the problem with implementing the VM in gforth? 16:37:55 is it slow? 16:41:03 I440r: and every single one of them probably uses java too :) 16:41:11 puhh puhh 16:41:12 lol 16:41:28 When it takes an hour or so to unpack the code it becomes a little bit difficult to debug the VM. It's worse, because you can't know how long it's gonna take (that depends on how efficient you were in writing it). 16:41:31 I440r: and every single one of them probably uses java too :) 16:41:31 puhh puhh 16:41:31 lol 16:41:57 is there an echo in here? 16:42:01 :) 16:42:05 frunobulaks: oops, you're sending feedback again 16:42:12 if it takes an hour to unpack i hope your not compiling it with gcc 16:42:13 ahh, far too slow. I see 16:42:15 it would take months 16:43:33 I440r: how's the forth coding 16:43:47 non existant at the moment 16:44:31 I'd figure on writing some test programs for it myself 16:44:49 but even so, there'd probably be at least one bug that wouldn't surface until running their code 16:44:55 and that would be a killer 16:44:55 its easy to write a c++ program that takes longer to compile than to run 16:45:05 maybe it could be avoided with tdd 16:45:11 you can have a 500 line program that takes several minutes to compile 16:45:17 telephone devices for the deaf? 16:45:18 thats difficult with isforth :) 16:45:25 almost impossible i would think :) 16:46:07 factor's compiler used to be like that, its much faster now, but still takes too long to compile some words 16:46:32 a word which pushes 1000 numbers on the stack (: foo 1 2 3 4 5 6 .... 1000 ;) takes 290 ms to compile and 0 ms to run 16:47:00 heh, that's maximum capacity just about on my stacks 16:47:02 biggest speed increase came when i implemented a source memory mapper. map the entire file then compile it. no more FILE reads 16:47:57 I440r: for me i/o is not the bottleneck 16:48:02 loading source files is pretty quick 16:48:30 i need to implement mmap at one point though 16:48:37 once i figure out how to do that on windows too 16:48:43 and figure out a cross-platform wordset 17:00:56 --- nick: arke_ -> arke 17:08:12 --- quit: jackokring (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17:19:06 Did I miss any exciting Forthinations? 17:25:31 Quartus: don't think so 17:25:45 ok :) 17:26:30 frunobulaks is writing an irc client, but the little discussion has been about irc not code 17:29:11 --- join: Raystm2- (n=NanRay@adsl-68-93-41-217.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:29:46 git is very cool http://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/ 17:29:53 The echo problem does not have anything to do with the difference between arithmetic and boolean operators, that's for sure ;-) 17:30:22 --- quit: frunobulaks ("a quit that really quits") 17:30:52 Oh, I don't know :) 17:31:22 I've been playing around with git for a week 17:31:30 realizing that it's useful for things svn wasn't 17:32:24 I'm experimenting with using it for my websites 17:32:24 such as? 17:32:29 --- join: I440r_ (n=mark4@ip70-162-111-107.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 17:32:32 well, just that it defaults to local storage 17:32:49 I used to only stick things in svn if I wanted them in my repository 17:33:01 ie if I thought I'd continue to develop them 17:33:08 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:33:22 and I knew that my whole repository was browsable 17:33:42 and that when I add things, they take up space, even if I delete them later 17:34:24 git can very easily just manage a single directory, and keeps all it's crap in there 17:34:28 in one directory 17:34:35 sounds good. 17:34:42 I can use git for a while, then get tired of it, and just rm -rf .git 17:34:49 and there's no residue anywhere 17:35:06 neat. 17:35:11 git doesn't even spread little .git directories all over like svn and cvs 17:35:17 there's just one .git. subdirectories don't get them 17:35:33 you can use git in the subdirectories anyway, it must check parents 17:36:23 I'm working on a site now that has two versions, the live, and the development 17:36:52 so this situation is ripe for me goofing up and overwriting changes, or using the wrong version of something etc 17:37:27 so now I have it all set up in git 17:37:50 so now you can work drunk! :) 17:37:52 one branch for the live site, one for the development version 17:37:57 :) 17:38:17 now I have tools to see what's happened. and to put it back to any state 17:38:39 the .git folder has all the history for both branches in it 17:39:03 I can do "git-checkout master" and it'll update the files in my dir to be the live copy of the site 17:39:12 it's not entirely transparent, I take it -- you have to check files in/out? 17:39:14 and then "git-checkout test" to see the dev version 17:39:41 yeah, you have to tell it which files you want it to keep track of. 17:39:46 and you have to "commit" occationally 17:40:06 "commit" means save the changes with the given comment 17:40:06 I see. 17:40:36 so yeah, it does take a little time 17:40:52 but should pay off big time it piece of mind, and not screwing up my client's site 17:41:32 --- quit: cmeme ("Client terminated by server") 17:41:48 indeed. 17:42:10 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 17:42:15 one of the files that's different in the branches is my "upload" script that I use to sync my local files with the server 17:42:35 so when I'm working on the dev copy it rsyncs to a different place on the server 17:42:50 I like that part 17:42:51 convenient. 17:43:23 today I made a fix on the live version 17:43:38 then figured out how to tell git to apply that patch/commit to my branch 17:44:11 easy? 17:44:16 yeah, not bad 17:44:29 the commands could probably be shorter... but it was easy enough 17:44:34 --- quit: I440r_ ("Leaving") 17:44:58 one command lists the commits in the other branch, and gives one character at the begining of the line to tell you if it also exists in your branch already 17:45:14 and another to commit the one you want 17:45:45 sounds easy. 17:45:53 if you're need more details, you can run the graphical history viewer thing (gitk) 17:45:56 is INVERT the same like not? 17:46:20 --- join: Raystm2 (n=NanRay@adsl-69-149-54-145.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:46:29 gforth doesn't have "not" 17:46:48 invert should flip all the bits 17:47:07 for well-formed flags, invert is the same as either common definition for not 17:47:54 well, it's not a logical-not in the sense of 0= 17:48:03 it's a bitwise not 17:48:08 it is for a well-formed flag. 17:48:18 it works on -1 and 0 but nothing else 17:48:34 right. Well-formed flags. 17:48:41 right 17:48:52 I think 0= is very well named 17:49:08 yes, it's a good one. 17:49:11 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:49:26 gitk knocks my socks off 17:49:59 The Legend of the Sockless Dutchman 17:50:08 --- part: Sukoshi left #forth 17:50:13 --- join: Sukoshi (n=user@user-11faadf.dsl.mindspring.com) joined #forth 17:50:50 Quartus: one of my more famous former lives ;) 17:50:56 heh 17:53:35 --- quit: Raystm2- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:54:51 --- join: Raystm2- (n=NanRay@ppp-70-243-217-177.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:57:43 I'm assuming Woofenden is Dutch. 17:58:50 I was told German 17:58:59 hmm. 18:00:19 I'm surprised. Really sounds Dutch to me. 18:06:41 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:09:50 --- join: zpg (n=user@85-210-170-93.dsl.pipex.com) joined #forth 18:09:53 hi 18:10:08 hey. 18:10:40 howdy Quartus_ 18:11:14 --- join: Raystm2 (n=NanRay@ppp-70-248-33-239.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 18:16:55 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=NanRay@adsl-69-149-33-64.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 18:23:38 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 18:24:59 --- quit: Raystm2- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:27:54 --- join: Raystm2- (n=NanRay@adsl-69-149-45-21.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 18:29:04 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:32:55 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:38:25 --- nick: Raystm2- -> Raystm2 18:38:35 it was pretty neat to see Marcel's project in action, feedback aside. 18:38:53 Musta missed that. 18:39:07 Raystm2: his iForth IRC client 18:39:15 ok. 18:39:18 and hello :) 18:39:42 Hi. :) 18:39:50 * Raystm2 bored 18:40:06 plenty to do... 18:40:06 read those herb pages. 18:40:12 Quartus_: pardon? 18:40:18 Ah yes the herb pages. 18:40:21 ray. 18:40:29 seriously. 18:40:31 ah. 18:40:32 Quartus is my herb guru as well. :) 18:40:38 the second one especially. 18:40:40 i'm clearly 100% out of the herb loop. 18:41:10 It's okay. You build a tolerance and then anything you smoke after that is clearly a waste of money. 18:41:30 ... 18:41:48 Shame that. It's loads of fun till you build the tolerance. 18:42:04 this is as regards saving your teeth. 18:44:00 sorry, /me humor is only funny to me. No, not teeth, the slight connection between the word herb as another name for cannabis. 18:44:32 the second link is about a guy in similar situation to yours. 18:45:00 Broke all of his top front teeth on a really hot HotPocket? 18:45:31 I take it the links were unwelcome. 18:46:26 Still searching... No not unwelcome. I'm still not funny, am I? Oh well. that's boredom for you. I think I'm a tad depressed. 18:46:51 --- quit: virsys (Remote closed the connection) 18:46:56 I'm in the middle of Burke's first Connections. 18:47:06 perhaps some positive action will elevate your mood. 18:47:46 Aproximately $5600 falling into my lap would just about do it, too. 18:49:59 And it's comming too, I just know it. Didn't see the $20k to fix my house and there it is. Always sorta works like that. Preparation followed by opertunity and percieved, co-incidently, as luck. 18:50:52 The stress of it all comes from not knowing when, or how. 18:51:18 And trying to force it before it's ready. 18:51:35 --- join: virsys (n=virsys@or-71-53-68-17.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #forth 18:53:55 Quartus_: what herbs are these you're discussing? 18:54:17 a variety, designed to recover gum health. 18:54:38 ah ok. 18:57:12 It's tough to be in the US with poor teeth. Everybody who's anybody has perfect ones. Like shoes, a fair sign of wealth or credit or personnal habits at the very least. 18:57:46 you stand a chance of significant improvement if you put in the effort. 18:57:52 hint hint 18:58:10 It shows a lack of resource or even care. 19:01:46 Any way, Neal, thanks for you valued input. I'm in a mood, and i'll be back when it's not so ... 19:02:08 ok. 19:04:15 ... i'm not so self-indulgent. That's the term I'm looking for. 19:05:13 Quartus_: still mobile I take it? 19:05:23 I am. 19:06:07 --- join: I440r (n=foo@ip70-162-111-107.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #forth 19:06:42 --- mode: ChanServ set +o I440r 19:17:59 re 19:18:05 hey 19:19:25 hi 19:20:29 * absentia is writing bad forth. 19:20:44 so slow down and do it right. 19:20:56 what're you writing? 19:21:01 not the purpose here... 19:21:17 little dragon&leprechan ascii game. 19:21:34 I've already discovered some nice ways to debug, trace... etc. 19:21:56 things are running a little slower than i had hoped... consider... but the code writing is pretty straight forward. 19:22:15 yet you recognize it as bad code. 19:22:27 q: the sole purpose is to just bang out some code, get use to forth... etc. 19:23:03 Learning how to do it wrong is not the best approach. 19:24:17 like, I discovered that if I have "x y" ( u u ) on the stack... to just do "over over" to get x y x y -- and then there's 2dup... like you said, just start coding... I also find that my routines need addr x y, but I have x y on the stack that I keep 2duping, so I addr -rot ... 19:24:40 perhaps. 19:25:21 what I want to do is get this working (with a few more features) ... and then go back and look at the code, learn.. [re]factor... etc... but since it's working code, I can enjoy it. 19:26:37 what's everyone else doing? 19:27:08 reading. 19:27:17 whatchat reading -- 19:27:30 i don't quite follow your ( addr x y ) / -rot report. 19:27:36 oh, and plus I don't really know what "right" is... so I figure I'll finish it, learn, and then you guys can rip it apart, if you're bored. 19:27:44 looking at a stephen king novel that was lying around the house. 19:28:02 stephen king is a crap writer 19:28:02 absentia: i'm pretty new to forth, and started with a similar approach to yours. 19:28:13 his "the black tower" is insulting 19:28:18 dark tower. 19:28:20 oh... well, I have x-coord and y-coord on the stack ... but I need addr x y -- so -rot ... just newbie stack manip fun. 19:28:34 where's addr coming from? 19:28:39 he's not even a writer, is he? I thought he just polishes other people's work? 19:28:39 once upon a time in a land far far away lots of kiddie talk down to you pussy fuck lots of profinity crap 19:28:40 he's at the same stage of learning you were at some weeks ago, zpg, but while you took the right road, he's going the wrong way. 19:28:59 yea the dark tower 19:29:07 absolute trash 19:29:17 I440r: well, he's slightly more eloquent than your rendition. 19:29:23 ha 19:29:28 not by much 19:29:31 by much. 19:30:03