00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.11.12 00:47:06 I woke up today, but he Palm didn't. :( 00:48:04 It was ftne yesterday... 00:48:19 fine even 00:51:38 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 01:14:58 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 01:18:59 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 02:01:43 --- join: EdLin (n=vim@as5300-6.216-194-21-203.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) joined #forth 02:11:47 --- part: EdLin left #forth 02:17:59 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 02:21:46 --- nick: arke_ -> arke 02:34:26 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 03:20:39 --- join: zpg (n=user@user-514d7663.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #forth 03:21:29 aha 03:56:25 --- join: vatic (n=chatzill@pool-162-84-178-20.ny5030.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 04:00:54 hi vatic 04:08:08 --- quit: vatic ("*poof*") 04:14:42 --- quit: Cheery (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:14:49 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 04:41:55 --- quit: neceve (Remote closed the connection) 04:46:00 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 06:12:26 --- join: vatic (n=chatzill@pool-162-84-178-20.ny5030.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 06:46:17 --- join: erider (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #forth 06:47:00 good morning 06:47:34 hi erider 06:48:31 hi zpg 07:03:42 --- quit: erider (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:12:40 --- join: erider (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #forth 07:16:15 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 07:53:45 --- quit: vatic ("*poof*") 09:34:19 --- join: iano (n=iosgood@sub26-46.member.dsl-only.net) joined #forth 09:37:24 --- quit: iano (Client Quit) 09:37:42 --- join: iano (n=iosgood@sub26-46.member.dsl-only.net) joined #forth 09:39:15 --- quit: iano (Client Quit) 09:39:30 --- join: iano (n=iosgood@sub26-46.member.dsl-only.net) joined #forth 09:42:23 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 09:43:21 --- join: Crest (n=crest@p54896521.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 10:36:45 --- quit: zpg (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:40:34 --- join: snoopy_1611 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-154-163.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 10:44:46 --- join: Snoopy42_ (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-130-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 10:45:11 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Nick collision from services.) 10:45:42 --- nick: Snoopy42_ -> Snoopy42 10:51:24 --- quit: snoopy_1611 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11:04:33 --- join: zpg (n=user@user-514d7663.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #forth 11:26:21 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-207-073.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:36:19 --- quit: segher_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11:45:46 slow day 12:04:11 --- quit: forther (Remote closed the connection) 12:08:37 --- quit: cmeme (Excess Flood) 12:10:42 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 12:11:19 --- join: ttuttle (n=tom@unaffiliated/ttuttle) joined #forth 12:11:32 Quartus: Do you have any familiarity with Amazon or other affiliate programs? 12:16:27 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-209-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:09:52 --- quit: neceve (Remote closed the connection) 13:14:39 hi ttuttle. Some. They work. You won't get rich. 13:21:13 --- quit: ttuttle (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:25:09 --- quit: erider (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:31:50 --- part: forther left #forth 13:32:12 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 13:52:26 --- join: erider (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #forth 14:01:03 --- join: vatic (n=chatzill@pool-162-84-178-20.ny5030.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 14:04:57 good afternoon 14:26:55 --- quit: erider (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:02 --- quit: I440r (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:02 --- quit: virsys (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:02 --- quit: ccfg (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: cmeme (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: Snoopy42 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: nighty_ (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: vatic (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: zpg (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: JasonWoof (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: madwork (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: larsb (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: segher (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: Crest (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: virl (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: arke (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: madgarden (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: ohub (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: Quartus (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:03 --- quit: warpzero (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14:27:30 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@unaffiliated/herkamire) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: vatic (n=chatzill@pool-162-84-178-20.ny5030.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: erider (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-207-073.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: zpg (n=user@user-514d7663.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-130-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: Crest (n=crest@p54896521.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: arke (n=Chris@pD9E06A59.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@bas2-kitchener06-1096620860.dsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: I440r (n=spam@67.135.84.40) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: madwork (n=foo@204.138.110.15) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: virsys (n=virsys@or-71-53-68-118.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: ccfg (n=ccfg@dsl-roigw1-fe8ade00-21.dhcp.inet.fi) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: larsb (i=lars@1-1-14-10a.kt.gbg.bostream.se) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: ohub (n=oherrala@sikw1.oulu.fi) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- join: Quartus (n=trailer@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 14:27:30 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +oo JasonWoof Quartus 15:05:06 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 15:53:38 --- join: Amanita_Virosa (n=jenni@adsl-70-248-239-251.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 16:48:48 --- quit: nighty_ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 17:01:15 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-209-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:41:50 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.162) joined #forth 17:45:16 hello 17:53:15 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 17:53:15 --- mode: ChanServ set +o slava 17:59:57 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 18:01:16 howdy 18:01:54 hi 18:03:29 hi 18:03:36 Hey. 18:04:02 hi Quartus 18:04:08 What's up? 18:04:23 a day of google video and youtube 18:04:26 you? 18:04:39 No. 18:04:52 luddites! 18:04:58 "No." 18:04:59 ? 18:05:34 No google video and youtube today. Hey Luddva. 18:11:19 hey, Quartus i implemented another feature which you'd be philosophically opposed to 18:11:39 heh 18:11:42 I didn't realize I was philosophically opposed to any other features you'd implemented. :) 18:11:56 well, i'm joking, but you seem to avoid enforced type checking, etc 18:12:13 So what's the new feature? 18:12:18 i have a way to cross-reference which words read and write which variables 18:12:40 so you can pass a piece of code to a word which tells you the side-effects in terms of variable values that running this snippet will have 18:13:48 Interesting. 18:24:36 You should be able to analyze that in any Forth, in terms of tracking ! and @ -- or is this something else? 18:24:56 tracking @ and ! when applied to the result of a VARIABLE word, i guess 18:25:12 in factor it tracks calls to get and set, but it doesn't give a 100% accurate picture 18:25:18 Right, if the addresses intersect those associated with a given header 18:25:18 because of course you can pass computed values to get and set 18:25:52 You'd need to modify ALLOT to assign a name attribute to a given range of memory. 18:26:03 you could use static analysis 18:26:09 Sure. 18:26:15 if a word defined by VARIABLE preceedes @ or !, add it to some list. 18:26:19 get the word's name from the header. 18:27:23 For instances where the name precedes @ or !, that'd work. 18:27:31 factor analyses stack flow 18:27:39 --- quit: vatic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:29:57 Dynamic analysis might be more useful in Forth. 18:30:35 i might change factor so that all words get a fixed stack effect 18:30:52 i want to have a feature like an editor where you see a stack picture at the caret location 18:31:06 I glanced at StrongForth yesterday; it requires fixed stack effects. 18:31:16 strongforth is more restrictive than factor. 18:31:26 factor doesn't enforce types at compile time 18:31:40 it just refuses to compile code with a variable stack effect, letting it run in the interpreter. 18:32:04 I saw it also has polymorphism, which I don't prefer. 18:32:12 StrongForth, that is. 18:32:47 runtime polymorphism is nice 18:33:47 As a sometimes-applicable technique to solve a certain class of problems, I agree. 19:10:40 Quartus: http://factor-language.blogspot.com/2006/11/taming-variables.html 19:12:03 Interesting. I don't know enough about Factor to appreciate all the nuances, but I think I follow along. 19:17:55 --- quit: Amanita_Virosa ("Woops") 19:59:09 --- join: vatic (n=chatzill@pool-162-84-178-20.ny5030.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 19:59:16 --- quit: vatic (Client Quit) 20:00:11 night 20:00:12 --- part: zpg left #forth 20:39:22 --- quit: lukeparrish ("Lost terminal") 21:25:06 --- join: arke_ (n=Chris@pD9E04D1A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 21:45:06 --- quit: arke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:58:10 --- quit: iano () 22:48:57 --- nick: arke_ -> arke 23:01:52 --- quit: slava () 23:16:43 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.162) joined #forth 23:17:58 hi 23:31:51 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 23:36:15 --- quit: arke (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23:54:23 --- quit: forther ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.11.12