00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.11.07 00:04:36 --- quit: forther ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 00:07:54 --- join: arke (n=Chris@x215.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #forth 00:07:54 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 01:21:32 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 01:27:29 --- quit: JasonWoof (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:30:08 --- quit: virsys (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:30:18 --- join: tattrdkat (n=virsys@or-71-53-68-118.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #forth 01:31:58 --- nick: tattrdkat -> virsys 01:48:10 --- join: zpg (n=user@user-514d7663.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #forth 02:17:31 --- join: Raystm2- (n=NanRay@adsl-68-95-251-145.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 02:18:40 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:21:42 Raystm2-: morning 03:09:31 --- quit: zpg ("ERC Version 5.1.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 03:21:12 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:55:27 --- quit: Raystm2- ("Should have paid the bill.") 04:56:18 --- join: Raystm2 (n=NanRay@adsl-68-95-251-145.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 05:06:59 --- nick: crest_ -> Crest 05:12:14 --- quit: arke (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:15:38 --- join: zpg (n=user@smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk) joined #forth 05:19:43 --- join: arke (i=Chris@x425.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #forth 05:19:43 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 05:23:39 --- quit: zpg ("ERC Version 5.0.4 $Revision: 1.726.2.19 $ (IRC client for Emacs)") 05:52:07 --- join: Ray_work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #forth 05:52:57 Good morning. 06:18:47 --- nick: Raystm2 -> nanstm 06:25:43 --- join: zpg (n=user@user-514d7663.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined #forth 06:26:00 hi 06:48:50 --- join: arke_ (i=Chris@x455.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #forth 07:00:39 --- quit: arke (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:04:06 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-209-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:05:45 --- quit: forther (Client Quit) 07:34:35 --- quit: arke_ (Connection timed out) 08:02:18 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 08:38:07 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@unaffiliated/herkamire) joined #forth 08:38:07 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 08:54:55 --- join: Ray-work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #forth 08:55:36 --- nick: Ray-work -> Raystm2 08:56:17 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 08:56:44 --- quit: Ray_work (Nick collision from services.) 08:57:04 --- nick: Raystm2 -> Ray_work 09:00:37 --- join: crest_ (n=crest@p54894230.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:00:59 What ever you do, don't kick the powerstrip reset up against the file cabinet. 09:01:14 And don't pay the ferryman until he gets you to the other side. 09:01:52 ... ferry me be-nana 09:11:22 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:13:41 daylight come and me want to go to bed 09:21:41 --- join: virkony (n=ony@boyarka.com) joined #forth 09:22:39 --- join: crest__ (n=crest@p5489686D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:22:51 --- nick: crest__ -> Crest 09:31:48 --- quit: crest_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:38:12 hehe 09:39:38 I wanna know who's bright idea it was to put a powerstrip reset button exposed on the side of the strip. 09:39:57 In some situations it must rest up against something on the same side. 10:10:23 --- quit: Crest (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:13:28 --- join: azekeprofit (i=azekePro@82.200.250.87) joined #forth 10:15:37 --- join: ygrek (i=user@gateway/tor/x-b390b744023fd4a4) joined #forth 10:37:40 --- join: snoopy_1611 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-119-208.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 10:41:44 --- quit: virkony (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:46:00 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 10:46:19 --- nick: snoopy_1611 -> Snoopy42 10:48:41 I thought those were breaker resets -- no effect unless already tripped. Are you talking about the on/off switch? 10:55:29 --- quit: ygrek () 10:57:26 --- quit: neceve (Remote closed the connection) 11:06:02 You know, Quartus, I would have thought the same thing but, this one appears to be an intermitent always closed. 11:06:22 odd 11:06:24 Keyboard is here. ;) 11:06:32 cool. 11:06:54 Ya, Cant' wait to set it up at the house. 11:07:23 But like zpg said yesterday, gotten pretty used to using the stylus. 11:07:38 you do. 11:22:14 Quartus did you get a chance to see that economist at Waterloo? 11:23:36 --- quit: azekeprofit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:26:02 --- quit: segher (Nick collision from services.) 11:26:15 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-057-220-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:31:40 Ray_work -- economist? The huge wmv file? Not yet. 11:34:11 t 11:34:14 cash 11:34:16 oops 11:34:39 okay, I put a second link there where you could choose that format that works for you. 11:38:43 I'll try it again today. 11:41:04 It's not world shaking evidence, but it is worth viewing. Nothing like a free collage level tutorial on job security. 12:01:52 I should have bought another one of these 98cent keyboards, take it apart and make a colorForth keyboard out of it. 12:02:46 98cent? 12:10:58 hi guys 12:11:17 Hi. 12:14:12 how's it going? 12:15:50 Not too badly. You? 12:16:32 yeah pretty good thanks, just passing through, got to get some work done this evening, but shall be back later 12:16:44 talk then if you're still around 12:16:49 Ok. 12:16:58 cheers for now. 12:16:59 --- quit: zpg ("ERC Version 5.1.3 (IRC client for Emacs)") 12:17:24 ok private messages are blocked due to the inordinate ammount of NO SPAM EVER HERE!!!! but its ok for the fucking server to keep spamming me with messages about how private messages are blocked 12:17:42 i think in all the years ive been on freenode ive had a spam message ONCE 12:18:01 and that was before this stupidness 12:18:25 --- join: tathi (n=Joshua@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 12:18:25 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tathi 12:18:49 Hey, tathi. 12:19:01 hi, Quartus 12:19:18 tathi! 12:19:20 ltns :) 12:19:22 Hi Joshua, missed ya! :) 12:19:25 hey 12:19:29 how goes it? 12:19:39 --- mode: ChanServ set +o I440r 12:19:54 Ya, Quartus the keyboard was only $0.98. 12:20:14 It kicks up an RS232 data stream, I think. 12:20:24 tathi: How's life on the farm? 12:20:46 hi Mark. :) 12:21:04 life on the farm is ok 12:21:24 :) 12:22:27 Working on anything Forth-like? 12:22:30 Life on the farm is kinda laid back. Ain't nothing an old country boy like me cain't hack. Early to rise, early in the sack... Thank God I'm a country boy. :) 12:22:35 Stacking up sheep? 12:22:47 Pitching hay last-in-first-out? 12:22:50 stacking up sheep hahahahaha 12:23:11 hehe 12:23:20 Painting numbers on pigs and having them act out stack operators? "OK.... SWAP!" 12:23:41 I'm envisioning a pig-based Quicksort. 12:23:42 haha. "Stop all that DUPing. 12:23:44 " 12:24:03 heh 12:24:25 don't do it with sheep, you'll fall asleep. 12:25:47 nothing Forth-like recently 12:26:40 when I first got there, I threw together some simple stuff to help track crop readiness and harvesting stuff 12:26:48 but they weren't too interested, so I dropped it 12:27:38 "Get back to yer chores, boy, there ain't no time for that book-larnin'." 12:28:38 heh. more that the owner has a bad case of not-invented-here syndrome 12:30:49 Happens everywhere I guess. 12:32:11 ya 12:33:36 tathi: since you've been gone, we've all got PDA's and are using Quartus Forth and buggin' the heck out of Neal. 12:33:50 Which is helpful for me. 12:34:14 very nice 12:36:04 That's zpg, vatic, and Ray_work, so not 'all' but still. :) 12:36:15 Quartus: your other users don't provide enough feedback? :) 12:36:39 Few so directly. 12:36:46 But it's been helpful for writing my book. 12:37:05 so what is this book you're writing, anyway? 12:37:13 A Forth text. 12:37:51 suitable for beginners? 12:38:01 Hopefully for beginners and experienced programmers alike. 12:38:11 very cool 12:38:33 you seem well qualified to write such a thing 12:38:52 Thanks, that's a vote o' confidence. :) 12:59:56 --- join: alexshendi (n=alexshen@dslb-084-056-178-127.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 13:07:22 --- join: erider (n=erider@unaffiliated/erider) joined #forth 13:07:52 hi all 13:08:29 hey 13:09:09 how are things going 13:12:49 ok. You? 13:14:48 I'm doing fine 13:41:33 what's new? 13:47:04 Quartus i'm trying to figure out forth so I'm reading forth primer 13:47:50 --- quit: alexshendi ("This computer has gone to sleep") 13:51:40 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 13:54:50 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:59:04 hi erider. 14:00:05 hi 14:06:52 hi Ray_work 14:09:21 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 14:20:15 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 14:30:34 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 14:35:57 which primer? 14:43:32 its a book 14:47:16 --- quit: tathi ("Leaving") 14:50:40 --- join: arke (n=Chris@pD9E05DC3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 14:50:40 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 14:53:37 Yes, I figured it's a book. Which one is it? 14:54:43 --- quit: Ray_work ("Client exited") 14:54:53 --- join: Ray_work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #forth 14:57:54 Quartus: is there more than one book called "forth primer"? 14:58:14 There's Julian Noble's Forth Primer, but apparently erider is reading the one by Hans Bezemer, so yes. 15:03:03 hmm, good to know... 15:03:49 bye 15:04:12 --- quit: Ray_work (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:08:28 Quartus do you know the one I'm talking about 15:08:46 I think I've seen it. 15:09:07 what do you think about it 15:09:13 I haven't read it. 15:10:46 ah ok 15:11:07 I may have scanned it at some point. 15:11:17 seems ok for now I have learn somethings so thats what counts 15:11:39 learnt* 15:11:51 I know Bezemer's 4th system isn't standard-compliant. 15:13:25 true but he made this book ans compliant 15:13:52 and he had tested the code for gforth and win32forth 15:13:56 That's good. 15:16:29 tietysti 15:16:31 taas repes netti 15:16:31 01:09:41 15:16:49 ohub, are you summoning Cthulhu? 15:18:50 oops 15:19:09 stupid network brownouts. :) 15:27:46 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 15:46:48 --- join: warp0x00 (n=warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 15:49:08 --- quit: warpzero (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:51:23 --- part: jcw left #forth 16:00:32 --- nick: nanstm -> Raystm2 16:14:40 --- join: EdLin (n=vim@as5300-6.216-194-21-233.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) joined #forth 16:31:15 --- nick: warp0x00 -> warpzero 16:49:10 Ok, I don't get it. How do you select a record with the Palm keyboard? 16:49:36 Depends on the app. 16:49:48 Mail? 16:49:52 Never use it. 16:49:57 ok, or even Memo? 16:50:03 Cursor keys. 16:51:29 hmm. That doesn't appear to work. 16:51:48 I don't have a Vx + keyboard to test against. 16:52:17 Thank you anyway. :) 16:55:06 I have a Vx, but I gave the keyboard away some time ago. 16:55:18 I have the Wireless keyboard, but it may well have different mappings. 17:23:03 --- quit: erider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:44:48 --- join: ttuttle (n=tom@unaffiliated/ttuttle) joined #forth 17:44:55 Anyone here know of any good web hosting providers? 17:45:02 I use pair. 17:45:11 I've heard positive things about godaddy recently. 17:45:22 Quartus: Ok. 17:45:58 Quartus: Isn't Pair a little expensive? 17:46:21 Depends. If you want free hosting, it's out there. If you want reliable hosting with supported services run by professionals, you pay more. 17:46:57 Quartus: Yeah. I'm not looking for anything bulletproof, though... I'd rather it cost a little less. (It's not critical.) 17:47:15 Quartus: Any idea about virtual private servers? 17:47:40 I wouldn't use one, but then I run a business. 17:49:14 My take on hosting services is that if it's important enough to host, it's important enough to host reliably. Pair has low-end and high-end plans; you pay more for more facilities. 17:49:54 Quartus: /me disagrees, probably because my stuff isn't business-related. 17:50:29 I'm sure you don't disagree to the extent that you'd say you're looking for unreliable hosting. 17:50:50 Quartus: No, not unreliable. I'm just not willing to pay beyond a certain amount for more reliability. 17:51:09 What's your price-range? 17:52:03 Quartus: Realistically, $0-15 a month. 17:52:27 Quartus: All I want is decent hosting for a personal site. If I end up putting up good enough content that I make some ad revenue, I'll upgrade. 17:52:31 And what do you require in terms of disk space, bandwidth, and CGI? 17:53:03 Quartus: Meh, a few GB of disk, dunno about bandwidth, I want full Perl/PHP CGI, and MySQL. 17:54:53 A few GB! I think that's a big ask. Maybe there's something out there. 17:55:28 Quartus: Most offer 2-3 GB on the lowest plan. (The better ones don't, because it's overselling.) 17:55:50 Pair offers 4000MB of disk on their most expensive hosting plan. More than that, you need your own server. 17:56:24 Quartus: I guess I don't really need that much. 17:56:58 Not that I'm particularly trying to sell Pair to you, but http://www.pair.com/services/web_hosting/ shows what they've got. Full CGI is at Advanced and up. 17:57:17 * ttuttle prefers Pair because they support open source. 17:57:38 But the Advanced is just a little more expensive than I want. 17:57:39 Oh, I'm not concerned with their political affiliations. 17:58:16 Quartus: For me it's just a bonus. I know that my favorite Gentoo mirror is gentoo.mirrors.pair.com, and it works well, so 1) I want to say thanks, and 2) I know their hosting is good. 17:58:38 --- quit: timlarson ("Leaving") 17:59:39 Yes, they're reliable. $2.95 extra per month over your $15 projection is just under ten cents per day. If you have anything approaching popular content, you may find you get bitten hard by the bandwidth surcharges at some places that initially appear to cost less. 18:00:08 If you get Slashdotted at Pair, you'd likely survive it unscathed; they drop the highest day of usage from the overcharge list. 18:03:10 Quartus: Mmm, shiny. 18:03:16 Quartus: I'll have to think about this. 18:03:40 Think they do a package deal on new account & domain setups. 18:05:30 --- join: timlarson (n=timlarso@user-12l325b.cable.mindspring.com) joined #forth 18:05:36 I'm trying to remember this hosting company I saw featured in someone's Slashdot sig. It was really cool, something like $0.01 per MB of space and $1.00 per GB of bandwidth, per month. (They drop the highest day too.) 18:05:39 --- quit: arke (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:07:36 Sounds like a truly daft business plan. 19:08:38 --- quit: EdLin ("leaving") 19:44:07 ttuttle: would that be http://www.bsdwebhosting.net/ ? 19:45:16 or maybe https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/ 19:45:17 Ah. No support; that accounts for the pricing model. 20:01:36 crc: might've been the second one 20:24:22 --- quit: ttuttle ("leaving") 20:24:46 --- join: forther (n=forther@c-67-180-209-27.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:36:39 Second one says they offer some amount of tech support. 20:36:49 as far as keeping the actual service running, etc. 20:37:01 Which is a step up over 'if you can't handle Linux, go away' that the first one offers. :) 20:42:44 --- quit: nighty (Remote closed the connection) 20:56:02 --- join: I440r (n=mark4@65.244.197.34) joined #forth 21:06:37 Hey I440r 21:09:46 I440r, is grg170dx good model to buy? 21:15:03 erm 21:15:10 whats the grg170dx ? 21:15:17 ho Quartus 21:15:20 ibanez 21:15:33 oh an ibanez :) 21:15:41 she sure LOOKS sexy 21:15:50 but then i like the look of most ibanez guitars :) 21:15:59 maple neck is good 21:16:14 rosewood fingerboard is good but ebony would be better :) 21:16:44 how many frets ? 21:16:46 21 ? 21:16:48 22 ? 21:16:50 24 21:16:57 then its good 21:17:05 24 frets is the ONLY way to go these days 21:17:07 medium 21:17:17 what would the damage be for that ? 21:17:22 not jumbo 21:17:53 two humbuckers. i like the look of that 21:18:12 would be good if you could filp them from parallel to series 21:18:23 not impressed with the wammy bar tho 21:18:30 doesnt look like a floyd rose 21:18:38 erm maybe it is 21:18:43 but its weird looking 21:18:52 no - its not - no fine tuners 21:18:59 so no locking nut ? 21:19:03 nope 21:19:06 thats problematical 21:19:11 I don't think so, no 21:19:15 wammy it once and your guaranteed to be out of tune 21:19:26 u know why right ? 21:19:32 yep 21:19:37 I don't use it 21:19:42 you relax the strings and they detune. when you tignten them up it grips at the nut 21:20:08 and the tension on either side of the nut is never the same 21:20:21 with a locking nut you are guaranteed not to go out of tune 21:20:24 24 frets is nice 21:20:25 the biggest question for me how well it sustains 21:20:29 no locking nut is the killer 21:20:39 heavier wood would sustain more 21:20:42 this is a light wood 21:20:51 so you can carry it on state for longer 21:22:49 yes! 21:23:02 arizona just made E N G L I S H the damned language 21:23:07 FUCK yes! 21:23:13 what was it before? American? :) 21:23:16 welcome to america, NOW SPEAK ENGLISH! 21:23:17 no 21:23:21 spanish 21:23:23 basically 21:23:39 There's a lot of Spanish spoken in Arizona? (I honestly don't know.) 21:23:59 theres alot of spanish in arizona and in texas 21:24:06 Texas, I figured. 21:24:07 signs in hispanic 21:24:20 ATM machines with "do you want this in english?" 21:24:35 auto phone menus giving shit in english and spanish 21:24:46 Canada's bilingual, but the preference is stored on the bank card, so you're rarely asked. 21:26:59 But from right here I can see seven different items with bilingual text on 'em. 21:27:05 Eight. 21:28:25 lol 21:28:36 english and french ??? lol 21:28:57 Right. 21:40:19 So I've been digging through programming language history as part of my book. 21:40:41 Came across one I'd almost forgotten -- "Lincoln Reckoner". Has some similarities to Forth. 21:42:49 Subroutines are defined with BUILD FOO ... FINIS and the system responds OK 21:43:53 Names can contain any symbols but must contain one letter. It's array-based rather than stack-based, though. 21:45:01 Hey, there's a new werty in c.l.f 21:58:18 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-54-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 22:34:41 --- part: forther left #forth 23:16:51 California speaks Spanish, Vietnamese, and Gangsta. 23:16:56 English is a foreign language. 23:17:00 Ebonics? 23:17:06 Pretty much. 23:17:14 For Gangsta, I mean. 23:19:33 Human languages settle out -- much like computer languages, really. 23:19:55 But like computer languages, many are unappreciated. 23:20:11 Some with good reason. There were zillions of 'em. 23:20:23 True. 23:21:50 I've been pruning the family tree down to the significant influences up to the creation of Forth. 23:56:57 What have you found so far? 23:57:09 (Sorry for the late response. I'm doing homework now.) 23:57:37 Three key ones: Lisp, BCPL, and the Burroughs B5000 stack machine. 23:58:36 I have barely heard of the B5000 stack machine. 23:59:00 Moore did MCP-level coding on the Burroughs B5500, cites it as an influence. 23:59:18 Ah. 23:59:43 --- join: arke (i=Chris@x496.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) joined #forth 23:59:43 --- mode: ChanServ set +o arke 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.11.07