00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.09.19 00:29:19 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.196) joined #forth 00:29:53 hi 00:32:17 re 00:32:32 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 00:35:46 --- join: uiuiuiu_ (i=ian@dslb-084-056-243-035.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 00:40:53 --- quit: uiuiuiu_ (Remote closed the connection) 01:19:16 --- quit: JasonWoof ("off to bed") 01:33:59 --- quit: I440r__ () 02:06:23 --- join: uiuiuiu_ (i=ian@dslb-084-056-243-035.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 02:10:24 --- quit: Anbidian () 02:11:28 --- quit: uiuiuiu_ (Remote closed the connection) 02:23:46 --- join: Amanita_Virosa (n=jenni@ppp-70-243-36-192.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 02:50:01 hi whats up? 03:06:32 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 03:33:44 --- quit: Amanita_Virosa ("Wewmph.") 04:53:57 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool46-137.nas30.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:02:07 --- join: uiuiuiu_ (i=ian@dslb-084-056-243-035.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 05:07:12 --- quit: uiuiuiu_ (Remote closed the connection) 05:17:16 --- join: uiuiuiu_ (i=ian@dslb-084-056-243-035.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 05:22:21 --- quit: uiuiuiu_ (Remote closed the connection) 05:46:29 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.196) joined #forth 05:49:53 good morning 05:50:24 --- quit: snowrichard (Client Quit) 05:53:41 howdy 06:01:35 lo 06:03:49 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 06:34:09 --- join: Ray_work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #forth 06:41:11 good morning. 06:42:39 --- join: uiuiuiu_ (i=ian@dslb-084-056-243-035.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 06:47:35 hiya 06:47:44 --- quit: uiuiuiu_ (Remote closed the connection) 07:20:08 --- quit: madwork ("?OUT OF DATA ERROR") 07:29:10 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.196) joined #forth 07:38:38 --- join: madwork (n=foo@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 07:51:56 hi madwork 07:55:51 hi snowrichard 07:56:14 are you doing ok? 07:57:01 Sure! Thanks for your concern. ;) How are you? 07:57:26 well I've moved into a new place next to my mom, got out of the neighborhood with all the drug users 07:58:00 Great! A good neighbourhood is important. 07:58:33 I've recently increased the Earth's population by one. 07:58:46 really? boy or girl :) 07:59:01 Boy. :) Another one. His name is Zachary. 07:59:11 my son's name is Michael 07:59:16 Ahh, cool! How old? 07:59:21 16 07:59:32 Wow! Does he use Forth? :) 07:59:37 no 07:59:49 Aww. Well, I'm sure he's still a good boy. ;) 07:59:58 Hmm.. Is this pop-explosion potential or implemented? 07:59:59 haven't gotten him interested in programming, he just wants to play games 08:00:13 PoppaVic, implemented, twice for me. 08:00:20 ahh 08:00:25 Congrats, pop 08:00:39 snowrichard, I hear you. Same with my kid, though I've gotten him to hack around a bit in a C64 emulator. Plus, he likes to watch me program on my games. 08:00:46 PoppaVic, thank ye. 08:01:04 C64 emulator? on linux? 08:01:20 Well, under Windows, but they exist for Linux as well, of course. 08:01:32 I want to switch us all over to Linux though. 08:03:13 --- join: PoppaVic1 (n=pete@0-1pool72-151.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 08:03:33 --- quit: PoppaVic (Nick collision from services.) 08:03:38 --- nick: PoppaVic1 -> PoppaVic 08:04:29 goddamned ISP - my fear is that vgames are the worst thing to hit kids since "park 'em in front of the TV" 08:08:39 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 08:12:08 PoppaVic: Like anything, you can take video games to excess. 08:13:29 Whatever the latest childhood vice is, good parenting is still necessary, as it always has been. 08:13:53 We restrict our kids' access to video games based on lots of criteria: in or out of school, grades, time of year, quality of behaviour, etc. 08:13:59 TreyB: raising a kid, (near as I can tell), is a magnitude worse than a pet. And the family, neighbors, local, state, & feds love to interfere. 08:14:32 TreyB, same here. 08:14:41 madwork: yeah, and there is no handbook/guide/manual. 08:14:42 It's a good incentive for getting chores done, etc. ;:) 08:14:51 Indeed. 08:14:53 PoppaVic, damn straight. 08:16:15 I can't fault "get outside" or "do yer chores/homework" or other such limits.. BUT, the way things work anymore yer OK to give them priveleges they abuse, but not to use the biological "negative feedback" mechanism. 08:18:13 I can recall a time, (1st grade, maybe?), where I was found hiding behind a chair in the basement - lighting matches. 08:19:00 ..Ma' had me sit there and light EVERY one of them - lectured me - and made me hold each until I got singed... I did NOT ever dick with fire again. 08:19:28 Negative-Feedback is a proven Survival-Mechanism. 08:19:29 Got it out of your system, did it? 08:19:38 TreyB: goddamned right it did 08:20:33 ..Dad was more on the order of.. "well, regardless what the school did or how otherwise you whanged yerself - I visit to the woodpile should cure it" 08:21:10 Mind you, we are NOT talking about "abuse" - I went to school with kids that were "abused" and know the diff. 08:21:25 "visit to the woodpile?" 08:22:19 madwork: as a kid, it meant tramping downstairs to the fireplace and often "picking the stick" - and an ass-whooping. 08:22:34 Ahh. 08:22:51 Never bare-ass, and never blood. 08:22:57 Don't ever spank you kid with your hand. You'll just hurt your hand. Use a wooden spoon instead. You'll need less whacks, and it gets their attention better. 08:23:14 TreyB: yeah, even a diaper won't help a badly angled swat 08:24:12 But, that "negative-feedback" method is sooooooo "conservative" that everyone and his cousin wants folks to "play nice" instead 08:24:48 using "carrots" is also useful, but the values are really outrageous nowadays. 08:25:25 I don't think a carrot would hold up too well for spanking. 08:25:52 We see court-cases nowadays that actually indict the parent for NOT buying the kid 1/200$ tennis-shoes, for cripes sakes! 08:26:06 PoppaVic, got a link for that? 08:26:14 madwork: well, "positive feedback" is psych. 08:26:43 madwork: no, I've seen a few on the news the last year or two.. They accused the folks of "mental/child 'abuse'" 08:27:13 Who was the prosecutor... Nike? 08:27:29 shit.. I knew kids physically abused and that HAD to wear duct-taped tenni-runners. 08:28:54 As long as the shoes fit, the kid was responsible for polish/cleaning - in those Days *sigh* I start to sound worse than my father. 08:31:30 I hope to never again meet an abused-kid.. It's too awful to suffer quietly. 08:32:16 otoh, most folks kids can stay the fuck away from me. Manners and such seem to be out the airlock. 08:33:12 heh.. SHit, I been married for nearly a decade and STILL name my inlaws as Mr and Mrs more often than not 08:36:41 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-71-192-33-206.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 08:36:41 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 08:38:17 ..oh, or "Ma'am" and "Sir" 09:57:01 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.225) joined #forth 10:24:04 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 10:32:55 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 10:58:13 --- join: neceve (n=claudiu@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 11:35:26 --- quit: Cheery (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:36:40 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 11:44:49 --- nick: Quiznos -> ElmerJFudd 11:45:26 --- nick: ElmerJFudd -> fuddle 11:45:38 --- nick: fuddle -> Quiznos 12:33:52 --- join: jwest- (n=jwest@unaffiliated/jwest/x-422957) joined #forth 12:33:57 --- part: jwest- left #forth 13:18:57 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 13:34:43 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 13:34:44 --- mode: ChanServ set +o slava 13:38:39 --- quit: Ray_work ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 14:27:22 --- quit: nighty (Client Quit) 14:36:57 --- join: crc (n=crc@pdpc/supporter/active/crc) joined #forth 14:36:58 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 14:38:08 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@66-163-28-100.ip.tor.radiant.net) joined #forth 15:02:47 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 16:50:06 --- join: segher_ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-142-101.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 16:52:21 --- quit: segher (Nick collision from services.) 16:52:35 --- nick: segher_ -> segher 17:57:59 Hey. 18:18:29 --- join: saon (i=1000@unaffiliated/saon) joined #forth 18:40:21 --- quit: saon ("leaving") 20:15:41 --- quit: virsys ("bah") 20:22:01 --- join: virsys (n=virsys@or-71-53-74-48.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #forth 21:49:47 --- join: I440r__ (n=foo@cpe-67-11-172-14.satx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 22:29:18 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-169-106.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 22:45:44 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:45:50 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 22:55:40 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.225) joined #forth 23:00:02 hello 23:00:16 Hi Snoopy42. 23:00:18 oops 23:00:20 Hi snowrichard. 23:00:28 hi Quartus 23:00:31 where's the red baron when you need him 23:00:39 Hi slava. 23:02:52 how are you all? 23:03:00 Doing ok, thanks. You/ 23:03:32 nearly have the living room floor finished. plywood is down, need a coat of polyurethane now 23:04:22 we did a thompson water seal first with a stain in it 23:05:08 and my icemaker is working now. it needed a water connection 23:05:21 Sounds good. 23:09:25 my x86_64 gentoo is working fine. 23:11:00 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 23:11:07 hi Cheery 23:14:00 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 23:15:13 hi 23:43:40 --- join: Anbidian (i=anbidian@S0106000fb09cff56.ed.shawcable.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.09.19