00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.09.15 00:08:49 hi quiznos 00:09:03 I just finished a gentoo x86_64 install and it boots 00:09:48 egcelent 00:14:01 now install xorg will take a while :) 00:15:42 coo; join ##Linux 00:22:10 --- join: codyzapp (n=codyzapp@ppp-70-252-11-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 00:27:42 --- quit: codyzapp ("Nice Scotty, now beam my clothes up too!") 00:33:53 do not eat "fresh bagged spinach"; FDA warning; one has died from e. coli, ~50 others sick. nation wide, source-state cannot be determined; 02:21:14 I guess I'll cook my spinach 02:41:02 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 03:02:00 --- quit: JasonWoof ("off to bed") 03:09:56 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.191) joined #forth 03:37:24 --- nick: Quiznos -> PurpleSmurf 03:39:08 --- nick: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos 03:57:09 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 04:14:30 --- join: zpg (n=user@85-210-11-202.dsl.pipex.com) joined #forth 04:14:34 --- part: zpg left #forth 04:19:21 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.191) joined #forth 04:38:37 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 04:39:17 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool67-144.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 04:45:06 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.191) joined #forth 04:50:29 hello 04:51:02 howdy 04:52:29 got my new x86_64 gentoo install well started. Got X and a wm up. 04:53:42 ati driver install was a little pain 05:07:36 I dunno' why you picked gentoo, but whatever works I guess. 05:11:48 I use Gentoo for all of my machines (6 of them, currently). 05:13:22 I really like the portage package manager. 05:13:37 well tried fc5, mandriva, then gentoo 05:14:18 fc5 didn't work with the video, then text install froze. mandriva lost its connection to the the ftp in the middle of it. 05:14:53 Heh. 05:15:35 said can't resolve server , I went to a shell and pinged it by name and it was still there :) 05:16:01 I've had no trouble with Gentoo for 2 or 3 years now. 05:16:19 I liked debian. Simple, easy and complete. 05:16:31 debian trashed my ntfs partition 05:16:40 I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, but as a developer and former sys-admin, it works for me. 05:19:00 I got a degree in CS and do some programming for fun still. was a sysadmin on VAX/VMS years ago 05:19:21 I think you'll like Gentoo, then. 05:19:53 What's the upside of Gentoo? Built from source? 05:20:02 got a useless certificate in networking technology too (aas) 05:20:56 iirc, gentoo is just... GNU-managed? 05:21:09 yeah you can install from source uses a python package manager called portage 05:21:23 Quartus: it does build from source, and you do get a (usually) tiny bump in performance, but mostly yet get very good control over what gets installed via portage. 05:21:35 ah ok. 05:21:37 s/yet get/you get/ 05:23:34 the networking classes were for a novell netware 3.12 certification 05:23:51 I bet you use that all the time ;-) 05:24:13 I passed the administrator test. the instructor flunked it 05:24:36 they said I had the highest score they'd seen at that testing center 05:24:40 That about sums up my opinions of such things. 05:25:52 I've always been pretty good at testing. 05:26:03 With a good understanding of the concepts and a man page you can do pretty much anything. 05:26:55 I read the entire textbook we used for 4 quarters in the first weekend I had it 05:27:56 about 1500 pages 05:29:09 re 05:29:10 I did huge amounts of Netware work back in the day. Coded a big app under the Btrieve API about 20 years ago. 05:30:09 they didn't actually teach us anything about programming for netware, just a basic C class (on the windows) 05:30:46 everyone else was lost. I already knew C 05:31:19 Netware admins and C programmers were not necessarily an overlapping set. :) 05:31:36 The app I wrote was in QB45, actually. Structured Basic. 05:32:04 we had some form of basic in another class 05:32:37 and one introduction to Unix Sys V class 05:33:20 they got about as far as being able to navigate vi :) 05:34:07 My earliest Unix courses were in the mid 80's. Had quite a Unix wizard as a teacher, a middle-aged guy who knew his stuff backward and forward. Quite informative. 05:34:08 Quartus: I remember QB4.5 fondly, especially after moving from QB3. 05:34:21 QB45 was pretty good. 05:34:36 Amazing, by comparison. 05:35:02 my first classes were on IBM 360/370 hardware. 05:35:08 That app ran bug-free for years, until the system it supported was retired. 05:35:12 starting in 1975 05:36:26 Misty watercolour memories :) I can say I've forgotten almost all the JCL and BAL I ever learned. 05:36:45 i've got mvs38j loaded on this linux box :) 05:37:06 Finally, I've found folks on-line older than myself :-) 05:37:11 and vax/vms 05:37:17 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 05:37:31 I'm 49 05:37:57 I turn 39 on the 30th. 05:39:12 Age can be useful 05:39:17 ..also depressing 05:40:11 heh 05:43:17 * TreyB bails to off an opossum he caught outside the hen-house last night. 05:43:24 ahh 05:43:30 Good... Wax the sucker 05:44:24 I think I've got a bobcat around, too. Yesterday a skunk, today the opossum. Who knows what I'll get next. 05:44:55 Hmm... .22LR? .223? .243 or shotgun (which)? 05:46:43 If I could justify the cost of a night-scope, I could weed these damned coyotes around here.. Damned pests. 05:47:21 we've got rabbits and deer occasionally. and a few snakes. not often we need to shoot something 05:47:45 well, both can _become_ pests, but those I can handle. 05:47:54 my dad's got a gun, I'm not allowed 05:48:25 The 'coons and coyotes are frickin' Ninja.. Night-shoots are pretty much mandatory. 05:48:52 the va says I'm "incompetent" 05:49:26 oooh, kay... I am pretty sure I don't want to know why. 05:50:06 they diagnosed me as schizophrenic after I got a head injury in 1981 - 05:50:19 oh, well... THAT would do it, yeah 05:51:35 but the incompetent thing was because they said I can't handle my money :) 05:51:47 after they gave the 100 percent rating 05:52:38 If the state has you down as "schiz", then yeah.. You will never be able to own a handgun, although I think longarms are ok, even if ammo might not be. 05:55:30 --- quit: uiuiuiu (Remote closed the connection) 05:55:32 --- join: uiuiuiu (i=ian@dslb-084-057-236-203.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 05:55:38 snowrichard: I have no idea how "ratings" work.. Never much cared, and I know they used to make no sense at all. 05:56:18 well they started me at 10, then 50, then 70 and unemployable, then finally the 100. over 20 years altogether 05:57:03 try surviving on $72 a month. 05:57:10 All I ever knew was that my "rating" dropped drastically once I got married.. And, I prefer cash or barter anydamnedway. 05:57:38 snowrichard: been there, done that. You can't, unless you live in a box and shit in alleys. 05:58:01 my parents let me live in one of their houses rent free I was lucky 06:00:24 .22 rifle with ordinary scope. I prefer to trap them and shoot at close range, given the opportunity. I live in an "unincorporated" part of the county, but I've got close-by neighbors. 06:01:00 yeah.. Depends on the area and the range. 06:01:27 I'd share an egg or two a night with them, no problem. But taking the entire chicken goes too far. 06:02:13 That's prolly worse than our case of the bastards trying to wax our cats and dog. 06:04:05 I haven't had that problem yet. The birds make easier targets. 06:04:26 damn right, they do... Our prob was usually the bastards killing each other 06:05:53 waxing animals? how sick can somebody be? 06:06:19 virl: they really resent Brazilian-Waxing 06:10:01 But it makes the stuffed end-result really sexy. 06:10:12 hmm... PASS 06:10:40 TreyB: otoh, maybe virl would be interested? 06:10:51 * TreyB has watched *way* too much Monty Python in his life. 06:12:22 this is an ex-parrot. it is no more. it's ceased to exist. Its nailed to its perch. :) 06:13:27 50 more packages for kdebase-meta 06:13:36 i'm getting goofy 06:13:36 --- join: Ray_work (n=Raystm2@199.227.227.26) joined #forth 06:14:17 Yeah, watching KDE emerge feels like watching paint dry, but without the helpful fumes. 06:14:43 we had fumes earlier today from wood putty on the plywood floor 06:14:56 KDE at least worked.. Once GNU broke "sawfish" and E went nuts, I sorta' lost interest 06:17:16 at least this new machine is faster than any other one I've had 3.33 Ghz 06:17:58 I've only noticed that near-gig machines respond pretty well.. Anything more suggests more than one user. 06:18:16 ...or really poor code 06:18:39 it makes the compilers run faster I think 06:19:26 --- join: Bushmill1 (n=l@213-202-175-36.bas504.dsl.esat.net) joined #forth 06:20:35 Compiling faster is not usually an issue, in a multiprocessor system. 06:20:42 Maybe it helps doze. 06:20:56 doing heavy compiling with gentoo here 06:21:01 ahh 06:21:13 BUILDING is an issue all to itself. 06:21:21 why don't you let the compiler do it, instead of doing it yourself? 06:21:43 i mean like emerge package , wait 06:22:08 ah. the computer is doing the compiling 06:22:20 Bushmill1: he's talking about an entire system build & install from source. THAT would tie up any machine 06:22:20 sounded a bit like you were doing it 06:22:46 Good morning. 06:22:47 yes. stage one? 06:22:55 no started with 3 06:22:59 I normally run less than a dozen procs _deliberately_, at a time. 06:23:01 a few days 06:23:36 * TreyB uses distcc and crossdev, usually. 06:23:55 gentoo has one of my forth interpreters as ebuild 06:24:01 cool 06:24:35 Unfortunately gcc-4.1 wouldn't crossbuild without some KEYWORD hackery as of a couple of days ago. 06:25:44 --- join: jc (n=jcw@adsl-074-238-180-251.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 06:26:56 be back in a while 06:28:27 I've only messed with cross-compiling when I was playing with linux-vax 06:32:14 Anyone know of an IRC channel anywhere that's somewhat devoted to 802.11/wireless networking? 06:32:16 --- quit: Bushmill1 ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.") 06:32:41 --- join: Bushmill1 (n=l@213-202-175-36.bas504.dsl.esat.net) joined #forth 06:34:07 --- join: Bushmills (n=l@wpc3131.amenworld.com) joined #forth 06:34:34 --- part: Bushmill1 left #forth 06:34:53 no 06:35:40 Wow.. Flipping a hand at a fly on a lampshade.. I forgot the fucker was wire-braced.. Oh, the joys of screaming, lingering pain.. 06:35:53 ..damn near wet myself that time 06:38:58 TMII-- too much information interupt. hehe :) 06:39:49 Ray_work: dude, I tell you.. Folks don't realize fingertip/nail sensitivity until they make a BIG mistake. 06:42:57 I have a gluc-o-meter and test my blood 4-5 times a day thru my fingers. 06:43:14 And then I type the rest of the day... 06:46:53 my mom's diabetic. she tests on her arm though 06:48:12 I havn't tried that yet. 06:48:16 Yeah, wife is diabetic - as is most of her family. I've even had her test me, occasionally 06:48:49 tests are trivial, that needle just bugs me. 06:49:07 Hey none of that sexual content in here, young man. hehe. 06:49:44 "Test me, Baby! Ooh you know I like it." 06:50:04 I wanted to determine the pain, effort and glucose. 06:53:04 It's a pain, and it's an effort. 06:53:31 The pain was under trivial, the time might be an issue 06:54:28 Your right, the physical pain is trivial. The logistics pain is another matter, atleast in the beginning. 06:55:35 --- part: PoppaVic left #forth 06:56:00 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool67-144.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 06:56:06 wrong key 06:56:12 I have hard candy stratigically distributed through-out Fort Worth. 06:56:14 I'm the wrong guy to ask. 06:57:02 And, I never understood the dichotomy of "avoid sugar" PLUS "eat sugar" - it seems a weird balancing act. 06:57:36 Fort Worth, eh? I live in Alvin, SE of Houston. 06:57:46 I'm in Marshall 06:58:04 Do we all live in Texas? 06:58:04 n of houston, w of dallas 06:58:20 I've been stationed in AZ, how is TX? Once Ma' is gone, I plan to move far, far away. 06:58:46 im in dan antonio :) 06:58:50 san antonio even 06:58:52 No kidding! Hey thats a reason to start a Texas FIG. 06:59:00 heh 06:59:13 hah 06:59:22 Were all comming to I440r's house for the first meeting. clean up that house mark :) 06:59:28 As long as I've trees, water, some space, and a short commute to a job - I don't much care where I am. 06:59:29 i already started i#forth hah 06:59:38 fuck i got some work to do lol 06:59:43 lol 06:59:46 no you cant all drive my car 06:59:47 plenty of trees here in east texas 06:59:48 I come help 07:00:01 i#forth? 07:00:07 but not many jobs 07:00:08 snowrichard: don't you mean east of Dallas? 07:00:19 duh yeah east of dallas 07:00:33 I was thinking I drive west to get there :) 07:00:42 heh 07:01:00 I was thinking of Oregon, Colorado or Idaho... But, TX might work if we can find a place to land and work 07:01:01 * I440r just backed up my / partition and am now burning it to 4 dvd's FOUR DVD"S !!!! 07:01:08 wtf have i got ON there that takes that much ? 07:01:28 4.7 G? 07:01:31 root? source, docs, libs, etc 07:01:32 yup 07:01:35 compressed 07:01:47 maybe the tool is not compressing 07:02:09 oh.. and SOME will duplicate symlinks, instead of following them 07:02:10 its the partimage utility, i think its compressing :) 07:02:41 but the documentation of it says it only compresses and saves those parts of the partition that are actually used 07:03:25 documentation can SAY that it writes to hyperspace on the dark side of the moon. 07:03:40 floyd 07:03:57 yeah 07:04:09 maybe it lied and ive got my entire 40 gig partition on 4 dvd's 07:04:39 awesome guitarist. one of my heros 07:04:49 How much of the data started out compressed? 07:05:00 dunno lol 07:05:09 ahh... Yeah, recompressing is almost a time-waster 07:05:31 If they don't pay attention, it could actually increase the required space. 07:05:59 i would understand it if it was my /home/ftp partition, thats got an entire gentoo distfiles mirror on it 07:06:45 Dang. 07:07:26 found out something strange about this isp. seems I get a new ip address with each connection. 07:07:37 its wireless 07:07:59 That's not unusual. 07:08:40 I guess that would make it hard to try to attack 07:09:08 I doubt that's the motivation, but I suppose it would add a level of complication. 07:09:37 the ip I have on my machine is a private one 07:09:43 snowrichard no even when you have a dynamic ip the dhcpserver TENDS to give you the same IP all the time 07:09:47 its just not guaranteed to 07:10:07 there's no dhcp 07:10:23 With wireless ISPs, the IP your machine gets is always NAT'd to something else, and that something else is commonly dynamically allocated. 07:10:27 static private address 10.8.x.x 07:10:41 ooooh that sux :) 07:11:04 does the isp have lots of hot spots arround town ? 07:11:19 its fixed wireless. I've an antenna on the roof 07:11:32 oh ok :) 07:11:50 we are too far out for cable / dsl and I didn't want satellite 07:12:08 how much does that cost you per month ? 07:12:14 lose the signal when it rains :) 07:12:21 about $69 a month 07:12:26 too much 07:12:28 by DOUBLE 07:12:49 the dsl I had was 79 07:13:11 and I dropped the satellite tv so my bill is actually lower now 07:13:36 i dont have tv here either 07:14:02 got vonage for my long distance 07:14:35 but i just got a regular line so I can still make a call if the power is out/network down 07:15:38 and I have a friend who has hyperacusis and cant' stand the noise on the vonage 07:16:24 vonage is noisy ? 07:16:41 Your friend needs to find the volume controls. :) 07:16:44 well there's a slight echo, and sometimes it drops parts of words 07:16:58 doesn't bother me 07:17:09 and they advertise "and the quality is great!!" 07:17:20 depends on the network congestion 07:18:06 brb, making coffee 07:18:15 think i will too 07:19:47 |_|? <-- coffee for anyone else? 07:20:22 anyway they finally came out and buried the phone cable and she says it sounds better? I can't tell 07:21:00 Vonage is voice over IP, so the location of the cable can't have too much bearing on it. 07:21:10 I mean on the land line 07:21:41 Maybe. Buried lines don't sway in the wind. :) 07:21:54 it got disconnected by the dog when they were burying it, so it might have gotten a better connection when they put it back. 07:22:29 now I've stapled it to the side of the house so that won't happen again 07:23:17 oh wow kdelibs finally installing 07:23:47 snowrichard: Starting from source and autoshit? Not suprising. 07:26:34 actually it downloads the stuff first 07:26:59 25 / 73 packages 07:27:16 your doing emerge -f ? 07:27:25 kdebase-meta 07:27:59 i always emerge -f when im not emerging from my local mirror - download all pacakges first then compile and install them 07:28:02 oh, geezus.. DL, unpack, configure, build, install, cleanup?? Christ.. What's yer bitch, for the love of Pete? 07:28:12 no 07:28:17 emerge does ALL of that 07:28:25 just start it and wait 07:28:27 no, I meant TIME 07:28:44 the time, in this case is the tradeoff. 07:28:58 well I'm not working -- 07:28:59 yea negligable. i got a 3 box compile farm here and my main box is an athlon fx-60 07:29:04 dual core 07:29:05 For THIS folks want 20 Thz processors? 07:29:06 very nice 07:29:48 and having to wait for something thats compiled exactly to your specifications is worth it. compiled for your machine etc etc 07:29:56 and the USE flags make it VERY customizable 07:30:15 wheras fc5 and mandriva failed to install, this is nice 07:30:16 :) 07:30:17 i.e. just because i want the fob-bar-bam package doesnt mean i want all of GNOME with it 07:30:21 hmm? emerge USE flags? are we talking about gentoo? 07:30:24 i can compile foo-bar-bam without gnome flag 07:30:38 what other distros are worth using ? 07:30:38 hah 07:30:52 and debian trashes the ntfs 07:30:58 sounds like folks are not accepting binaries, source, downloads, builds, expectations and such. 07:31:07 ntfs is not supported in linux 07:31:14 ntfs doesn't remotely interest me 07:31:26 i440: not exactly correct. its just not very safe to write to. 07:31:30 you can only write to existing files and you cant grow them 07:31:48 nevermind. *stops correcting i440r* 07:31:57 if you cant do reads and writes its not supported :) 07:32:12 define "supported". :) 07:32:21 +rw 07:32:27 thats support :P 07:32:32 well, with that definition.. ;P 07:32:37 heh 07:32:44 hows your forth studies going ? 07:32:53 they're not? 07:33:01 lol 07:33:04 y ? 07:33:17 two jobs, and family emergencies, all bundled into one! 07:33:39 ya know the feeling 07:33:57 on the "plus" side, i think i'm about to lose the second job. OR i'm going back to working 90+ hours a week, one of the two. 07:34:31 I've got an ex-wife unconcious in a hospital. but that wasn't exactly unexpected. she was already in a nursing home. 07:35:10 are YOU paying for it? 07:35:28 no I divorced her. medicaid is paying her bills 07:35:30 everyone pays when someone suffers. its only a matter of wether its financial, or emotional. 07:35:42 ya true 07:35:49 "everyone" is too broad 07:36:00 its her sister that tries to make me feel bad 07:36:12 oh, GUILT-TRIPS.. 07:36:34 What about the eastern "shame-alternative"? 07:40:19 coffee 07:40:56 coffee is good here. i got a very nice bunn and i roast my beans 07:41:20 well I buy the stuff in the can 07:42:07 not exactly a gourmet after 4 1/2 years in the navy 07:42:53 :) 07:43:06 they buy really cheap coffee 07:43:31 it came in a white can that said "coffee" on it 07:43:34 something has to be cut in order to pay for that 100k toilet seat 07:44:06 the flight recorders I programmed were 10K apiece 07:44:31 black boxes ? 07:44:40 yeah a tape drive in a box 07:44:53 tape wont survive a fire 07:45:14 well it wasn't the critical one it was for recording the mission and loading the program 07:45:32 was it coded in forth or ada ? 07:45:33 heh 07:45:55 the an/uyk-7 part was coded in a navy language called CMS-2 I think 07:46:34 I saw microfiche of the source while they were testing on our ship but they didnt' let us get access to it 07:47:42 there was display controller computer called the an/uyk-20 07:47:55 the other part of the system had 2 embedded Nova 820 07:47:55 Compiler Monitor System heh 07:48:15 that was the audio processing 07:48:34 it was submarine warfare. 07:48:47 tracking / identifying 07:48:57 snowrichard: I was in the Navy ( Never Again Volenteer Yourself) and I remember using the coffee to etch the salt out of the paint. :) 07:49:28 lol 07:49:45 snowrichard, ever done any work with mil std 1553 ? 07:49:58 can't say I know what that is 07:50:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL-STD-1553 07:51:12 i fixed the air speed indicator of the U2 spy (erm... weather) plane - it was a 1553 bug :) 07:52:01 sounds pretty neat bus -- the system I was on used the NTDS interface 07:52:40 realtime traffic display 07:53:53 heh by the way, the fix for the air speed indicator was literally to insert ONE SINGLE INSTRUCTION into the code sequence hehe 07:53:57 8051 code too :P 07:54:16 That single instruction was Burt Reynolds. Page 2. 07:54:20 so what insert a jump, the new instruction, jump back. 07:54:20 so i have a WHOLE INSTRUCTION of code that i wrote flying in every single U2 :) 07:54:53 actually, it was a branch instruction hehe :) 07:55:24 came in, was told the air speed indicator kept crashing, took 2 weeks to find out why and fix it 07:55:25 I remember patching 6502 machine code it could get hairy 07:55:32 i loved 6502 07:55:35 i love 8051 07:55:49 im becoming very fond of arm too :) 07:55:57 ARM does not suck, mostly. 07:56:11 the zaurus sl-5500 is arm based. My friend that doesn't like the vonage has one 07:56:21 TreyB, wanna help me with my nintendo ds forth ??? :) 07:56:44 most pda's are arm based these days 07:56:51 I've thought about a forth environment for the DS. 07:56:52 the arm is a freeking awesome design 07:57:26 I don't really need one, but getting one would make my kids happy :-) 07:57:26 ive sort of got a forth for the gba using the xport-2 as a means of interfacing with it 07:57:36 she's like into writing bash code to get around the bugs 07:57:39 i have a ds but dont have a gba so i got no serial port 07:58:32 I'll probably end up with one of the Trolltech green phones pretty soon. 07:58:44 (for work) 07:59:04 does it run QT ? 07:59:09 ewwwww 07:59:16 Yep, the embedded version. 07:59:20 ick 07:59:21 the zaurus? qtopia 07:59:25 does it crash alot ? 07:59:27 Qtopia. 07:59:30 modem stuff 07:59:36 gives her fits 07:59:43 I don't know, I haven't seen it yet. We've got three on order. 08:00:07 actually, im told qt/kde is far better written than gnome/gtk 08:00:19 i dont like gnome but gtk is ok 08:00:40 cant get away from gnome or kde these days :( 08:01:04 PalmSource dumped its proprietary (really damned useful) environment for GTK. Then I left. 08:01:12 you have to have 2956294286594629349526945634 gigs of bullshit libraries installed just to run some simple little gizmo application these days 08:01:38 hehehe 08:02:01 thats what c/c++ does for you 08:02:12 ok, i gotta go get a hair cut lol 08:02:18 I440r: I'd be more concerned, personally, about repeation and incompatibilities. 08:02:21 its below my ears :) 08:02:26 eww 08:02:40 #4 !! 08:02:41 i buzz mine off every few months 08:02:47 that what im about to do 08:02:53 but i dont do it myself :P 08:02:59 too lazy 08:03:00 my mom did it 08:04:17 Yeah, I can't stand hair touching my ears. Summer has one cut, winter I allow more on top. 08:04:52 that's strange that my clock on the gentoo is like 5 hours behind and no make problems. I guess there would be if it were fast 08:11:10 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@unaffiliated/herkamire) joined #forth 08:11:10 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 08:12:00 snowrichard: tzconfig / tzselect 08:12:28 its because I had booted into windows to test and didnt' reset the clock 08:12:48 I'll add ntp sometime 08:12:53 snowrichard: and consider to put on an ntp server. that one will use a software PLL to correct for your clock inaccuracies. 08:13:34 Oddly, I don't have that issue.. And, I don't live on GMT 08:14:08 maybe your clock is more accurate 08:14:25 oddly, there a clocks which are faster or slower 08:14:29 are 08:15:41 snowrichard: issue may be, you're clock is not set to gmt, but local time zone, while at the same time you have configured your time zone 08:15:45 your 08:16:04 windows sets it to local time (central us) 08:16:22 so it needed to be set back 08:16:35 windows sets cmos clock to locally configured time zone time 08:17:06 linux prefers gmt, but your can set it to local. just set your time zone to GMT then 08:17:26 I'll just set up the ntp later 08:17:34 it will sync on boot 08:17:36 hehehaha 08:17:46 that way, your local time won't get corrected by time zone offset 08:22:21 bbl 08:23:25 ok 08:58:50 --- quit: PoppaVic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:33:29 don't set your time zone to GMT unless you live in that time zone! 09:33:40 if your hardware clock is localtime just tell your system so 09:34:47 right. Otherwise any cross-timezone calculations will be wrong. 09:35:04 if you set your timezone to GMT to get your localtime clock to display unchanged, then all your e-mails dates will be off by hours 09:36:58