00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.08.27 00:08:21 --- join: segher_ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-153-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 00:09:15 re rich 00:09:20 * fission stretches 00:09:39 * Quiznos shots feathers at fission 00:09:52 haha 00:09:57 I have a feather pillow :D 00:10:00 puepue 00:10:46 ? 00:11:03 the sound arrows are sposed to make when whizzing by your head 00:11:10 ahaha 00:18:40 --- quit: segher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00:22:50 crap, i wrote a response to a reverseBits thread on news and it never made it to alt.lang.asm 00:23:08 it was a damn good program; less than ten lines, including setup 00:23:58 seems like an old problem that everyone should know the answer to 00:24:28 which asm was this? 00:24:31 apparently not; everyone else's code in whatever lang was obvious 00:24:36 i used x86 00:25:04 but the opcode concepts are natural to all cpu, i believe 00:25:11 yeah 00:25:13 havent studyied the PICs yet tho 00:25:44 hm 00:25:56 ok bedtim 00:25:59 nn 00:26:00 'night 00:26:10 catch ya on the flip side 00:26:19 or something 00:26:25 ;-) 01:21:07 shit I was on my way to bed when I decided to add greylisting to my mailservers 01:21:10 * fission sighs 02:48:09 --- join: ohub (n=oherrala@sikw1.oulu.fi) joined #forth 03:19:24 fission:shouldn't take more than 5 min 03:31:54 yeah it was bloody easy 03:32:06 only problem is that nobody's spamming me right now ;-) 03:46:47 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@CPE00119576a9c5-CM0012c90d36fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 04:07:25 --- quit: Snoopy42 (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 04:08:34 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-160-216.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 04:08:35 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-160-216.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 04:16:07 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 04:16:28 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 05:42:13 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool47-8.nas30.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 06:59:59 --- quit: nighty (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:25:27 humph 07:25:53 wrong:: harumphf! 07:25:55 :) 07:26:01 howdy 07:26:06 whody! 07:26:42 I think it's "rethink the ABI" day, as well as Steaks-BBQ day. 07:26:48 ok 07:27:22 I have this really odd thought (started as a feeling yesterday)... 07:28:08 "feelin" are not evolutionary "creatures" :) 07:28:11 That perhaps my ABI needs to think simply linear. And, that all the OO stuff is mostly encapsulated up in the space of the users and extensions 07:28:22 kk 07:28:52 This means the ABI becomes simplified, and assemblers/C can play better. 07:28:58 k 07:29:43 the API at the User-Interface level may be OO, but the rest would rely on tried & true technology and code. 07:30:05 that's resonable. 07:30:22 tends to complicate plugins a bit, I think - or the layer where you'd add primitives to work in the user-space. 07:30:57 Have to cogitate this a little bit.. Seems sensible, though 07:31:03 nods 07:54:42 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 07:56:26 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool66-247.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 08:03:25 harshin' the mellow 08:09:43 i didnt do it 08:09:44 :) 08:09:59 nah, cogitating & watching newscasts 08:10:35 the engineers at the local abc channel are messing up the broadcast with mistakes on commercials and break 08:10:41 breaks; it's really pissin me off 08:10:44 hehe 08:10:56 well, at least it ain't all goddamned sports 08:11:00 they cut off the inteview George was doin with teh fem senator from Lousiana 08:11:17 about 2m of George gone 08:11:20 p00f 08:11:21 ahh - yeah, these interviews are a hoot 08:11:39 i like her; she's righteously angry and not politically correct 08:11:45 I just keep my powder dry and my stocks up, dude ;-) 08:12:08 and do you remember her comment to george last year in the copter about "the little dredging machine on the levee" ? 08:12:32 sobbing and highlarious at the same time! 08:12:37 that takes skill! 08:13:36 and then she says; "i'm gona hafta punch someone" 08:13:37 lol 08:14:00 and that included the Pres 08:14:13 back 08:14:21 catch up 08:14:24 heh 08:14:52 you know the senator i'm talkin about? 08:14:52 Dude, I remember watching the entire fiasco.. From the cits right up to the prez: it was a great laugh. 08:15:04 well,,... within limits yea 08:15:14 but she was rightly furious 08:15:15 I suspect you mean the louisiana congresscritter 08:15:26 i thought she sat in DC 08:15:37 dude, it's one of the most corrupt cities and states in the union 08:15:54 mahaps, but that's not the point 08:16:23 well, it is the issue - they keep electing them and they accept it - until they want the NATION to bail their ass out. 08:16:50 class and race - the same phrase, over and over.. 08:16:51 the army corp engineers are partly responsible for poor planning 08:17:05 and the fed did cancel projects to shore up the levees 08:17:08 ..always the feds, rarely the state, and never the city - responsibilities. 08:17:18 i'm not exclkuding anyone 08:17:29 Quiznos: here's my take on the levees: they own them. 08:17:31 i'm just saying that the fed.govt played its part too 08:17:40 yep, I agree 08:18:14 the woman talkin to george now reminds me of a babysitter who tortured me when i was wee 08:18:29 i'm havin flashbacks 08:18:54 I never told these folks to not pay taxes, or live in a sinking swamp, or to not maintain their equip, or to even accept the building codes.. BTW, afaik: the silly fucks are STILL using the SAME building codes. 08:19:33 yea and the sen. said a few mins ago that the levees are back up to Cat3 ready-status 08:19:44 clearly the levees are not ready 08:19:45 You would _think_ that - at the least - they would allow and recommend cinderblock-pedestals to raise them above flood-levels. 08:19:58 raise whom or whose? 08:20:11 Quiznos: actually, Nagin mumbled that the Levees MAY survive a c3 08:20:17 heh 08:20:19 Quiznos: homes. 08:20:29 yea, the 9th ward is still broken 08:20:33 literally 08:20:49 THey want to pretend.. The place is less stable than venice, for cripes sakes. 08:21:12 yea, and i know Venice is doin somethin about their problem 08:21:17 i've seen the plans they have 08:21:44 Actually, with a bit of common sense... They could force new codes and dismantle the levees and maybe become an American-Venice quite easily. 08:22:11 well, my problem is that the govt is "planing on rebuilding" a city 08:22:18 that's not how a city grows 08:22:27 which govt? we have too many to begin with 08:22:31 and i dont think the feds should pay for it 08:22:35 ahh 08:22:46 which means more debts, more imf loans 08:22:49 and more nonsense 08:22:50 the "feds" pay for dick.. Those are NATIONAL "tax-dollars" 08:22:55 no they aint 08:23:13 no taxes paid to the irs ever rests in the Treasury. 08:23:21 it goes straight to the fedres 08:23:25 s'ok, work it out.. I've been around long enough to watch a lot of it 08:23:34 congress doesnt spend tax dollars 08:23:49 congress only borrows from the fedres 08:23:52 they spend that. 08:23:56 dude: "federal" ~= "National" - and, yes indeed: Congress holds those purse-strings. 08:24:38 It's ok though, tracing it all around is a hoot. 08:25:19 congress allocates "money"; Treas gets the order to make money, calls FedRes (a private corp) to get permission to print, sells the paper and ink to the fedres, which then loans the face value of the paper back to Treas for spending. 08:25:44 Quiznos: yeah, I once thought that as well - it's even worse than that. 08:25:58 i know, i'm only glossing 08:26:13 but those are the salient points of interest 08:26:25 Quiznos: this is one of those times where bottom-up code sorta' helps. 08:26:53 of course, trying to figure out wtf the top-down is doing is the part that makes you cry 08:27:19 nah, for me, understanding all this is quite liberating 08:27:34 and again: keep yer powder dry and stock enough for a decent defense ;-) 08:27:42 yep 08:28:16 Eventually, a whole lot of ostriches will pull their head out of the sand (or their ass). 08:28:35 nah, somethin else will happen before then 08:29:24 Nah, I doubt it.. Collapse has almost invariably been from within... otoh, we still are sorta' unique in comparison to many prior civilizations. 08:29:51 with the first steam engine of themid 1800s, we are uniq in all of time 08:30:06 nope - earlier by far 08:30:30 a man born 1900 had more in common with all of the people born before him than with those born after him 08:30:37 individualists with a common-goal... ARMED, no less. 08:31:29 we lost a lot right around the civil war.. Lost much and gained little. 08:31:49 actually, we lost beginning with the Federalists. 08:31:51 and continued to loss until the 1930 and still to today 08:31:58 1930s 08:32:17 late 1700's 08:32:29 the war tween the states and the fed for supremacy didnt last just 4 years, but from the 1850s till the 1930s 08:32:32 right around the whiskey-rebellion 08:32:45 yea in that direction too 08:33:55 letting our fukin' "reps" decide their own pay, bennies and exclusion for normal law atop the feds deciding they could change whatever they wanted - when they wanted.. Yeah.. These were issues. 08:34:08 that SCOTUS opinion about that Rebellion proved that we the people do NOT have all the rights that Jefferson wrote about in the declaration. 08:35:00 in fact.. so was "lifetime appointments" to te supremes.. I'd rather have seen 12, 18 or 20 year posts. 08:35:14 did you read about the fed judge who said that there are no hereditary kings in America? 08:35:21 in the last few weeks? 08:35:21 yeppers (and I don't even know SCOTUS) 08:35:32 scotus == supreme court of the us 08:35:45 no no no 08:35:45 hmm, nope.. I can't read news - I can barely tolerate broadcasts 08:35:53 Screwing Citizens Of The United States. 08:35:56 Quiznos: ahh, the supremems - I thought so 08:36:08 yea, that's what i usually write supremems 08:36:17 it's just "more regular" for me :) 08:36:24 umm 08:36:43 so the judge wrote that in her opinion in deciding against a wire tap program 08:37:06 i like the quote but i wish she'd quoted the case more completely and correctly 08:37:13 she'd have shocked the nation 08:37:42 that ``we the people are the sovereigns since king George was "defeated" without subjects'' 08:37:58 that would have shaken everything down to its core 08:38:21 yeah, however - everyone from congress to courts has decided they can interpret anything they like. 08:38:31 some have, not all 08:38:42 they ALL do it ALL the time. 08:38:56 well, if i'm elected to office, you'll have to eat your words :) 08:39:38 The very fact that only a lawyer can read a legal doc, and it takes one to xlate it - is like letting M$ write yer OS, interfaces and tools. 08:40:04 oh pls, that's nonsense; lawyers are not the only ones who "try" to read code 08:40:11 i can read code and i'm NO lawyer. 08:40:25 umm... reread above 08:40:28 i'm self taught in the same manner as Lincoln and others 08:40:49 ahhh, you mean "law" for "code above 08:41:00 Good luck with that. 08:41:06 the law as it exists now is highly obfuscated 08:41:13 no shit 08:41:13 and has been since the 1930s 08:41:19 earlier 08:41:37 the 30's merely codified limited socialism 08:41:50 well amybe a little bit but key words were redefined during the 20th 08:41:57 person is one of the keywords 08:42:27 the Erie scotus opinion was the pivot point 08:43:11 everything from leaving the "confederacy states" to the Continental-Congress that formed the "power-Fed" was a huge, huge mess - and this has gotten worse for years. 08:43:55 Quiznos: bad programming, that's the issue - and the language of the programming blows - making it nonportable. 08:44:18 true, it has. did you know that there's a record of a sine die entry in the 1780s? that's when the great american experimenet originally died 08:44:30 "sine die"? 08:44:41 yea, programming bc with the computer, everything is searchable. 08:45:09 sine die is the legislative "rules of order" which means "without further rescheduling to meet" 08:45:10 well, I tend to think of the universe as a "platform" and "tools/languages" 08:45:16 ouch 08:45:27 it first happened in DC in the 1780s 08:45:31 and it was recorded 08:46:02 nowadays, the Pres has to issue a exec order empaneling both houses which puts both under military jurisdiction. 08:46:04 yeah.. I recommend reading "The Probability Broach" - by L. Neil Smith - at least for the fun... Turtledove is another decent author. 08:46:18 k 08:47:02 The idea of Amendments always bugged me almost as much as the B.O.R. Not being core to the idiotic "Constitution" 08:47:40 well, the Constitution established a trust tween the sovereign people and its agent, the federal govt 08:48:04 Also, I have issues with the Electoral College, campaigns, funds and current defs of "majority". 08:48:04 the govt is our agent to the rest of the world on certain matters detailed in the Constitution 08:48:33 Quiznos: you'd think so, and it almost makes sense - but it's not and doesn't. 08:48:41 well, none of it matters since the Constitution originally written has been in abeyance since the "civil war" 08:48:50 heh 08:49:15 another constitution has been made, reworded, but based on what the Founders wrote 08:49:19 but not identical. 08:49:20 That's OK... I'm patient and don't have to play for more than another 30-40 years. 08:49:48 unalienable ! =inalienable 08:49:54 Yep 08:50:18 There were a whole lot of "hacks" that even disturbed the original founders 08:50:26 and then, there's all the state-consts furiously rewritten during the 1960s 08:50:59 they all exclude "state citizens" and replaced those two words with "citizen of the United States" 08:51:01 no suprise - I'd wager they didn't document all the changes well or the reasons, either. 08:51:12 yeah.. Sounds typical 08:51:19 i am not nor have i ever been a Citizen of the United States 08:51:43 I'm sure I am, since they taxed and harrased me and enlisted me as well. 08:51:52 ..DOesn't interest me much, though 08:51:57 well, the reason for the editing in the 60s was because the FRNs were causing seriuos problems to the state govts 08:52:16 FRN? 08:52:28 so, all the state govts were told that they should incorporate and rewrite their constitutions 08:52:33 oh, fornats? 08:52:47 frn == Federal Reserve Notes; negotiable paper; congress calls them "evidence of debt" 08:52:53 ahhhh 08:52:58 no suprise 08:53:20 What positive can be said about script w/o backing? 08:53:28 ultimately, everything is connected with everything else. but with the introduction and developlment of computer, we the people CAN figer it out. 08:53:34 nothing 08:53:51 the Founders referred to paper as a blizzard of leaves (or something to that effect) 08:53:59 yep 08:54:00 and that's what we have now since the 1860s 08:54:14 and it's global too 08:54:16 yep - I note you went back in time ;-) 08:54:26 i enjoy history 08:54:32 i love finding Truth. 08:54:51 all this knowledge is prep work for becoming a Senator 08:55:00 Dad did, I don't.. History can be fun to read, Truth is variable, and I can live w/o an ulcer. 08:55:15 truth is a constant; fact is variable 08:55:23 brb coffee 08:55:29 actually, that sounds reversed. 08:58:35 nop 08:58:42 and, btw: I often think we need to thrash "lawyers" and reinstitute dueling 08:58:45 facr is situational 08:58:53 lol 08:59:32 no, a fact is a fact. a "truth" is interpreted. 08:59:34 the truth is: the sun illuminate 08:59:37 wrong 08:59:58 anything interpereted is not constant because private opinion is involved 09:00:14 private op. is not constant 09:00:15 that's ok, write a translator for us both ;-) 09:00:26 i just did :) 09:00:37 \weather is fact 09:00:58 green grass is fact 09:01:12 no 09:01:21 it's typical - here 09:01:33 grass color can change 09:01:39 it's not constant 09:01:39 that too 09:01:47 therefore, fact 09:02:11 umm, no 09:02:25 you cant argue with truth: truth. 09:02:40 how is grass color not a fact? 09:02:42 lawyers do it all the time 09:02:49 oh and also, 09:02:59 the language of law is NOT the English language. 09:03:11 if it were, there would be no need for law dictionaries. 09:03:17 that's nice, and no reason to suffer them 09:03:31 so when a lawyer says "person" he aint talkin bout flesh or blood 09:03:57 law school IS corrupt re-programming of human beins 09:04:12 could or would that qualify it with cult-status? 09:04:20 s/it/law sch/ 09:04:26 he's talking about whatever his own translator wants. 09:05:30 cell, stem-cells, fetus, baby, child, person, tax-payer - they can all pervert whatever to whatever. 09:07:05 in another opinion, scotus said that "FRNs cannot be used to pay taxes" 09:07:08 i love that one 09:07:26 so, a "tax-payer" is not a private citizen 09:07:40 bc we only have access to FRN's 09:07:49 thuse we are excluded on that reason. 09:08:06 that's fine, and you can't own gold and you can't have offshore accounts that they can't tax. 09:09:00 there are so goddamned many perversions and deviations, I no longer bother to track them. Expcet to be screwed, and keep yer head down. 09:09:18 actually, the ex.or that FDR wrote (if he in fact wrote it) doesnt refer to private citizens, it refers to PERSONS; the congressional and dictionarial definition of the word PERSON is (corporation, trust, partnership, agent for the preceeding three) 09:09:42 only PERSONS are forbidden to own, hold, use gold and silver Money 09:09:47 yeah, lawyers love to pervert vocabules 09:09:54 exactually!!!! 09:10:04 it is a perversion 09:10:19 that's why lawyerese is not the English. 09:10:29 it's been perversions and mistranslations and "interpretations" for over 200 years 09:10:38 exactly 09:10:43 and older than that IMO 09:11:00 and it can all be traced back to the Talmud of Babylon 09:11:22 remember the 6th Commandment? 09:11:23 btw, lest you conclude wrongly, I dont call Talmudists Jewish. 09:11:31 they are different groups of folks 09:11:41 doesn't matter much to me 09:11:43 not specifically, which is the 6th? 09:11:49 it matters to me 09:11:54 THou shalt not 09:11:57 ah 09:12:19 mistranslated ages ago, and deliberately enforced after the fact 09:12:26 yea 09:12:35 but jesus definately cleared that up 09:12:58 not that I would trust any "bible" or "talmud" or "koran" 09:13:21 if you're going to properly quote the bible then you already trust it! 09:13:25 you're committed :) 09:13:26 IT was "murder" - and "kill"!="murder" 09:13:32 agreed 09:13:40 there is a justifiable killing 09:13:45 in the bible! 09:13:50 Quiznos: I'm an outcast in many, many ways. 09:13:55 hardly 09:14:06 a pain in the azz, but prolaby not an outkast 09:14:08 :) 09:14:12 lol 09:14:29 At the least, I'm "Agnostic" - which (to me) means: carry on, leave me outta' yer pograms, kids - I have teeth. 09:14:39 --- quit: Cheery (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:17:14 aur plane died over kentucky a little while ago 09:17:20 s/aur/air 09:17:21 I've had Jewish and Catholic and Mormon friends that do NOT want to talk with me about their "religion", and answer questions - and invariably, it comes down to "Truths" and "beliefs" - and I usually ask questions that peeve them all. 09:17:35 i'd be honored to answer your questions. 09:17:50 i dont do Mormon doctrine tho 09:17:51 :) 09:18:07 I don't know enough to ask you, (basis) and frankly... I just ponder terms and use a lot. 09:18:11 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 09:18:23 then ask about those 09:18:53 No need of late: I've not read anything recently that made me ponder wtf they meant ;-) 09:19:01 k 09:19:53 A few times, I'd read a mystery and seen some terms and the assumptions I knew what the author (or character) meant. 09:20:57 k 09:21:50 Quiznos: but, boy... Folks like to play that "faith-game" so hard and often. 09:21:59 well not i 09:22:24 altho (fishing term) i get more bites on irc than IRL 09:22:41 even God does "use what you know" 09:22:42 lol 09:22:45 heh 09:23:09 Quiznos: similarly, it's hard to suffer the Rep. anymore because of their "Christian Right"; let alone the Dem. and their cross between commie/socialist. It's a real mess. 09:23:40 i agree that both parties are "both sides of the same coin" 09:23:46 same agenda, args, etc 09:23:48 ad nauseum 09:23:56 yeah, I figure Bog knows we are dealing with a LOT of lies and flakes. 09:25:10 well, there's scripture which says that God shall reveal all the secrets and their interconnections, and IMO alot of people who think they know now are going to be shocked! i'm just beginning to see that web of connections and it's all out in plain sight. 09:26:27 Well, not _plain_, but I am not overly worried. 09:27:01 to me, at this stage of my relationship, alot is plain but then i know after a fashion, what i'm lookin at. 09:28:31 I just try to treat people fairly and well, and the hell with folks that don't want to play: wax 'em. 09:28:52 actually, the latter are the ones to be ultra helpful too 09:29:02 ``coal of fire on their head'' and all that 09:29:35 that's the christian concept of jewish-mother's guilt 09:29:36 lol 09:30:06 also, folks still can't see how guilt in our society is NOT "shame" in others. 09:30:18 yea 09:31:12 wait until you read that book.... Even the term "majority" will begin to irk the shit outta' yah 09:31:36 i'm already aware of that nudge 09:32:10 yeah.. Smith recommends at least 90% 09:32:22 k 09:34:11 I have to ponder that.. At the least, it means the disgruntled are too small to waste time with. Maybe it also means "write-the-fucker-in-HS-english" 09:35:51 otoh, 9 outta' 10 in Podunk can end up disenfranchising the tenth 09:38:08 As a rule, I just distrust organized-religions, let alone Bureacrats. 09:38:34 well i'm not into organised rels either; only a relationship. 09:39:03 I figure Bog either cares, or does not: either way, fuck 'em all. 09:39:20 he cares for all, even you folks 09:39:52 Frankly, I can't see a Supreme Being as much caring about his parasites or laugh-track members. 09:40:50 he is NOT an absentee father. 09:41:04 otoh, I figure some silly SOB is the cause of us being here - yes, a Deadbeat Dad. 09:41:10 that's an extreme unbelieving doctrine. pls unlearn it. 09:41:28 not likely.. No repeatable proofs. 09:42:16 BUT, I am perfectly willing to like folks that can "believe" - as long as they are not trying to poison anyone else and "play well with others" ;-) 09:43:25 you are quite conflicted. 09:43:35 You are going to be *so* screwed when your " key breaks. 09:43:54 heh 09:44:24 not really - Just not trusting 09:44:56 Friendly, somewhat tolerant - but belief/trust is earned. 09:46:21 I've always loved comments like "THe Gods do not prove themselves with on-call miracles!" 09:47:10 Nothing like finding a scapegoat or stalking-cat (point-man) to suffer the slings and arrows of their neighbors. 10:00:18 Quiznos: so... Where are you planning on entering politics? 10:00:34 it's not time yet to reveal that. 10:00:44 I meant state 10:00:52 that neither :) 10:00:57 i'm still in prep mode 10:01:30 S'ok - I no longer bother to vote anyway... Still leaves footprints I could care less about, and does nothing useful. 10:01:47 yea 10:10:28 Quiznos: otoh, it does let me watch and comment with more validity than fornats ;-) 10:13:03 Anyway.. Stay well - time to chill before cooking... 10:13:07 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 10:14:34 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 10:15:13 V.! 10:17:39 Q.! 10:17:46 Sup? 10:18:52 nuttin 10:18:58 its sundau 10:18:59 y 10:19:19 ya. /me about to ansify RxChess. Taking it slow and easy. 10:19:25 coo 10:20:53 I still don't have all the proper developer habits established, so it takes me a while to settle on a proceedure. Then I'm productive for a while. 10:21:37 Especially where such a major change is involved. 10:22:12 practice 10:22:24 bbl, gotta finish the sunday sleep schedule :) 10:22:28 nappytime 10:22:30 heh 10:22:31 enjoy! :) 10:22:36 ty 11:08:30 Raystm2, how goes it? 11:29:03 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-096-057.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:29:38 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Nick collision from services.) 11:29:53 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 11:32:36 * TreyB takes a break from building a peafowl enclosure. 12:25:32 Do you have Blue Indias, Black-shouldered, or other? 12:49:28 --- quit: Cheery ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 13:18:16 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 13:57:14 --- join: Stippir (n=Stippir@74.132.197.239) joined #forth 14:16:22 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 14:16:22 --- mode: ChanServ set +o slava 14:17:20 --- quit: Quartus_ ("jmIrc destroyed by the OS") 14:17:55 --- join: maxss (n=ms@ip-80-226-183-201.vodafone-net.de) joined #forth 14:19:46 --- quit: maxss (Remote closed the connection) 14:37:17 --- join: Zarutian (n=Zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 15:01:36 Updated version: http://quartus.net/retro/retro-ans.fs 15:52:06 Just tested Baden's GOTO code under it, works nicely. : help label 10 ." Help, I can't stop!" cr goto 10 ; 15:52:07 :) 15:59:17 --- join: tgunr (n=davec@70-41-218-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined #forth 16:01:21 --- join: nighty (n=nighty@CPE00119576a9c5-CM0012c90d36fc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 16:02:46 Quartus, does the goto label have to be a number? 16:03:06 No, any word. It just amused me to do it like an old RadioShack demo computer. :) 16:03:28 : help label madgarden ." Help, I can't stop!" cr goto madgarden ; 16:04:10 Ahh. Keen. GOTO rules. ;) 16:04:41 There's nothing in that example that begin/again wouldn't do better, but you can use these labels and gotos interleaved in other structures. 16:04:47 why isnt the label prefixed? 16:04:53 why change fixes? 16:05:14 we're gonna have to stop stying postfix 16:05:27 What the hell? You sound like PoppaVic. 16:05:31 and start sayin that forth is ambidirextrous 16:05:33 Stying? 16:05:39 say* 16:05:52 Quartus get a sense of humor 16:06:01 Quiznos, bring me a sandwich. 16:06:09 closed :> 16:06:10 That's absurd. Names are commonly forward-parsed in Forth, been that way since day 1. 16:06:18 Quartus get a sense of humor 16:06:28 I have one. You're just not funny. 16:06:38 bahahahaha 16:11:00 Alright, this gamepad works like a DREAM, now. 16:11:05 --- quit: tgunr (Remote closed the connection) 16:50:53 Most of my dreams involve a 5'8" redhead, with a 36DD-24-34 figure. Your gamepad works like that? 16:51:16 come on, k4jcw, David Carusio isn't a 36DD. 16:51:26 Who? 16:51:40 :) Horatio Caine on CSI Miami :) Caruso, actually. 16:51:48 Wouldn't know. 16:51:49 I think there's a poppy-seed in my keyboard. 16:52:04 That's too bad, as it was as witty a response as I could manage. It'll have to do until a better one comes along. :) 16:52:05 Harvesting poppies in your computer room? 16:52:11 No, just eating. 16:52:33 Sometimes hitting o gives io, today. 16:53:01 At least the life expectancy of your " key is good. 16:53:13 Because...? 16:53:15 "if" you "know" what I "mean" 16:53:28 Ah. Yes, although he does appear to be infectious. 16:54:16 Perhaps a some application of the /ban medications are in order. 100cc, stat! 16:55:09 That's a last resort for out-of-band behaviour. I don't think incoherence necessarily qualifies, even when it's that extreme. 16:55:43 out-of-band behavior? heh 17:03:04 --- quit: Zarutian (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:04 --- quit: Stippir (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:04 --- quit: segher_ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:04 --- quit: TreyB (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:05 --- quit: saon (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:05 --- quit: Zymurgy (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:05 --- quit: juri_ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:05 --- quit: ohub (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:06 --- quit: JasonWoof (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:06 --- quit: Quiznos (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:07 --- quit: astecp (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:07 --- quit: cods (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:07 --- quit: warpzero (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:07 --- quit: k4jcw (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:07 --- quit: ccfg (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:10 --- quit: Bushmills (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:10 --- quit: Sonarman (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:10 --- quit: aggieben (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:10 --- quit: crc (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:12 --- quit: virsys (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:12 --- quit: docl (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17:03:17 --- join: Zymurgy (i=zymurgy@64.62.231.194) joined #forth 17:03:46 --- join: k4jcw (n=jcw@adsl-065-006-151-062.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 17:04:29 --- join: virsys (n=virsys@or-71-53-74-48.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #forth 17:05:11 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-153-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 17:08:03 --- join: TreyB (n=trey@cpe-66-87-192-27.tx.sprintbbd.net) joined #forth 17:08:11 --- join: ccfg (n=ccfg@dsl-roigw1-fe8ade00-21.dhcp.inet.fi) joined #forth 17:08:27 --- join: juri_ (i=[13KUiT6@volumehost.com) joined #forth 17:10:29 --- join: crc (n=crc@pool-70-110-129-33.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 17:10:32 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 17:10:33 --- join: aggieben (n=bc@63.98.86.62) joined #forth 17:10:35 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 17:11:10 --- join: Zarutian (n=Zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 17:13:20 --- join: astecp (n=aspect@210.8.131.1) joined #forth 17:13:33 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-71-192-33-206.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:13:34 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 17:13:59 --- join: cods (n=cods@tuxee.net) joined #forth 17:14:07 --- join: Bushmills (n=nl@wpc3131.amenworld.com) joined #forth 17:14:36 --- join: Quiznos (i=1000@unaffiliated/quiznos) joined #forth 17:14:39 --- join: docl (n=docl@74-36-211-202.dr01.hmdl.id.frontiernet.net) joined #forth 17:15:55 --- part: Bushmills left #forth 17:18:04 --- join: ohub (n=oherrala@sikw1.oulu.fi) joined #forth 17:18:29 --- join: saon (i=1000@c-71-199-235-144.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:18:46 whee 17:26:35 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@12.18.108.181) joined #forth 17:27:14 hi 17:28:06 --- join: Sonarman (n=cleetus@adsl-71-141-116-224.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 17:28:34 hey sonarman 17:28:47 did you work in subs? 17:29:24 I was in ASW on a carrier 18:36:43 --- part: snowrichard left #forth 18:41:57 --- quit: virsys (Remote closed the connection) 18:57:24 --- join: virsys (n=virsys@or-71-53-74-48.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #forth 18:58:19 --- quit: virsys (Connection reset by peer) 19:04:47 k4jcw: About the peafowl. I got a mix. 16 different birds of at least 4 species. 19:33:42 TreyB, pictures? 19:49:01 --- quit: nighty (Client Quit) 20:08:19 * fission stretches 20:12:02 * fission plays the national anthem 20:32:51 fission: thanks again for the poppavic filter 20:33:09 oh my pleasure :D 20:33:25 I have been using it elsewhere, too, with great success hehe 20:33:31 hey JasonWoof 20:33:33 it was well exercised today 20:33:36 hi slava :) 20:33:45 i haven't seen PoppaVic here in a while 20:33:51 or is he online when I'm asleep? 20:33:54 he was blabbing a lot today 20:33:59 ah. 20:34:10 about 8 screenfulls 20:34:15 btw, why isn't the cmeme bot in this channel anymore? 20:34:18 or is it logged elsewhere? 20:34:36 most of it didn't seem to have anything to do with Forth 20:34:37 dunno 20:34:42 clog is a log bot 20:34:55 oh 20:35:40 I go here for logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/forth/ 20:36:51 ahaha I'll have to be more careful about what I say ;-) 20:37:50 I HATE THE COLOR PURPLE AND MY BOSS AND SMALL CHILDREN AND CUBICLES MAKE ME INTRODUCE BUGS INTO MY PROGRAMS. 20:37:56 ahahaha 20:38:38 yes, play it off as a joke and not a true searchable quote that plausably could have happened during a blackout of clog coverage, purple-hater. 20:39:58 damn, foiled again 20:40:23 I'm not sure how you got all four of those things right, though 20:40:27 * fission frowns 20:40:36 you said them. You don't remember? 20:41:11 er, no 20:41:19 good thing I have an appointment with my shrink tomorrow morning 20:41:25 mmm, I can only find one instance of you saying so in the channel logs. You must've said so during one of those netsplit things. 20:41:39 clearly 20:41:54 --- join: virsys (n=virsys@or-71-53-74-48.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined #forth 20:42:11 though I must admit, it's a lot of fun to go back and read my discussions about that ancient Forth-10 implementation 20:42:21 well, it's also possible that you said it back when you were stalking me and a few other people. 20:42:38 fission - aye, the GenIE discussions are also fun. 20:44:38 purple-hater lol 20:45:24 flying people purple hater 20:46:25 ahaha 20:47:18 heh 20:48:06 Quartus: did you have a chance to fiddle with vor? 20:48:31 Not yet, JasonWoof. Sorry about that. I discovered mingw didn't come with make, downloaded the mingw-make (that's actually the name of the freaking executable), and progressed no further. 20:48:46 I will, though. 20:48:55 that's fine 20:49:01 that's progress :) 20:49:13 mingw-make -f Makefile.win 20:49:40 I got distracted by implementing quicksort in Forth. 20:49:50 can i see your code when its done? 20:49:55 factor's quicksort is ugly 20:50:28 Sure. I optimized some existing code, made one side of the tree all tail-recursion to reduce stack utilization. 20:50:41 how is the comparator word passed in? 20:51:11 It's a defer. 20:52:36 so... ' < is precedes x 20 sort where x is an array of 20 integers. 20:53:00 With a different comparator, x could be an array of pointers to any objects. 20:53:30 ok 20:53:33 If you don't have defers, you could pass the comparator to sort for it to keep in a variable, or someplace else useful. 20:53:51 i don't like global state of this sort 20:53:55 i pass the comparator on the stack 20:54:00 Whatever works. 20:55:19 Here it is so far: http://retroforth.net/paste/?id=163 20:56:07 nice 20:56:36 Thanks. It's prettier when qsort has that partition ... then line in it twice instead of the begin/until, but it uses hugely more stack space. 20:57:20 I've been feeding it quantities of random numbers, it's holding up fine thus far. 20:59:20 hmm, that attempt to conditionally define [ifdef] falls on its ass in gforth. Take that out. 21:04:23 Well, that is painful. I have no idea how to conditionally no define [ifdef] if it's already there. 21:05:36 Not in Gforth, at any rate. The [if] word they've got triggers on the [ifdef] in the definition name. I can perhaps do something really, really strange with a comment containing [then]. 21:06:07 Well, that works. That has to be one of the ugliest bits of code I've ever written. :) 21:08:43 Yikes. That cannot be allowed to live. It is gone. 21:08:47 ahaha 21:08:52 such a perfectionist! 21:09:08 SUPERBLY ugly construct to foil something Gforth is doing that it shouldn't be. 21:10:57 Careful that you don't ever create something that can get away from you Quartus. 21:11:00 comma. 21:11:22 I try to keep the worst of it in the recycle bin. :) 21:50:09 --- join: Cheery (n=Cheery@a81-197-19-23.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 22:43:51 --- join: Raystm2- (n=NanRay@adsl-68-95-252-123.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 22:47:19 --- quit: Quartus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:48:37 --- join: Quartus_ (n=Quartus_@209.167.5.1) joined #forth 22:50:20 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22:59:09 --- join: Quartus (n=trailer@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 22:59:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 23:07:01 --- part: Quartus left #forth 23:07:09 --- join: Quartus (n=trailer@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 23:07:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 23:13:30 --- quit: Quartus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:26:32 --- join: Quartus (n=trailer@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 23:26:32 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Quartus 23:50:51 --- quit: Quartus_ ("used jmIrc") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.08.27