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00:07:32 <Quiznos> well, God wakes me early
00:07:58 <JasonWoof> with a quick rap on the head?
00:10:28 <Quiznos> nah
00:11:26 <JasonWoof> oh, must be a different god than mine ;)
00:11:31 <Quiznos> heh
00:11:48 <Quiznos> yea, must be, mine is gentle :)
00:15:01 <JasonWoof> tingly sensations?
00:16:08 <Quiznos> none
00:22:03 <JasonWoof> hmm
00:22:11 <JasonWoof> well, I'll see what I can arrange upstairs
00:22:33 <JasonWoof> I'm going to sleep now. later :)
00:25:10 <Quiznos> nn
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05:24:03 <homeness> hello
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06:22:19 <PoppaVic> Well, at least I puzzled out why goddamned 'tar' was acting "iggnent"
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06:55:42 <PoppaVic> Hmm... Anyone awake? I want to bat around a concept for a few.
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08:16:47 <crc> good morning
08:17:33 <PoppaVic> howdy
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08:54:00 <Quiznos> mornin
08:58:16 <JasonWoof> hrrmph
08:58:38 <Quiznos> pff
08:58:49 <JasonWoof> been getting this stupid error message that konqueror couldn't load khtml because it was linking to the wrong libstdc++.so.6
08:58:59 <Quiznos> still?
08:59:07 <Quiznos> oh
08:59:23 <JasonWoof> just fixed it by opening up /usr/kde/3.5/bin/konqueror in vim and changing 3.4.4 to 4.1.1
08:59:30 <JasonWoof> so it would pull the libraries from the correct directory
08:59:32 <JasonWoof> now it works fine
08:59:40 <Quiznos> hmm
09:00:02 <Quiznos> an unexported ld_preload env-var woulda too
09:00:06 <JasonWoof> you are not supposed to have to edit your binaries in your text editor
09:00:14 <Quiznos> sure you are
09:00:33 <JasonWoof> objdump konqueror told me this:
09:00:34 <JasonWoof>   RPATH       /usr/kde/3.5/lib:/usr/qt/3/lib:/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu/3.4.4:/usr/lib
09:00:37 <JasonWoof>   RUNPATH     /usr/kde/3.5/lib:/usr/qt/3/lib:/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu/3.4.4:/usr/lib
09:00:40 <JasonWoof> and I know I'm not using that compiler
09:00:44 <JasonWoof> I'm using 4.1.1
09:00:47 <Quiznos> ok
09:01:10 <JasonWoof> I rebuilt konqueror, kdelibs, and everything else kde-like that was in the dependancy tree for konqueror
09:01:13 <Quiznos> was there a -rdynamic flag in the makefile somewhere?
09:01:18 <JasonWoof> to no avail
09:01:23 <JasonWoof> no idea
09:01:28 <Quiznos> grep it
09:01:28 <JasonWoof> I didn't look at the source code for anything
09:01:34 <JasonWoof> it works now
09:01:40 <Quiznos> that maybe the prob? :)
09:01:51 <JasonWoof> dunno
09:01:58 <JasonWoof> for now I don't have a problem :)
09:02:07 <JasonWoof> (ok, so maybe there's a little residual annoyance...)
09:02:12 <Quiznos> false asoomshun on your part thinkin that it works out of the box :)
09:02:16 <Quiznos> heh
09:02:25 <Quiznos> lol
09:03:14 <JasonWoof> yay :) and it doesn't ask me if I want to save my password :)
09:03:24 <JasonWoof> eh?
09:03:26 <Quiznos> egcelent
09:03:34 <JasonWoof> konqueror worked great, until I re-installed kde-libs
09:03:48 <Quartus> Quiznos, this crap: 'egcelent' and 'asoomshun' isn't cute or funny or clever. It's annoying.
09:03:48 <Quiznos> yea yea sure sure
09:04:21 <Quiznos> geek me
09:04:41 <Quartus> It isn't geeky, either. It's stupid, and annoying.
09:04:51 <Quiznos> then ignore me
09:04:52 <JasonWoof> kerning a Quiznos! when you gunna learn?
09:05:04 <Quiznos> lol
09:05:58 <JasonWoof> anyawy, I gotta go eat
09:06:01 <JasonWoof> here's the patch: http://jasonwoof.com/downloads/kdelibs-3.5.3-nosavepass.diff
09:06:11 <Quiznos> enjoui
09:06:21 <JasonWoof> I recommend re-compiling kde-libs with the same major gcc version you used before =)
09:06:30 <Quiznos> pff i dont kde
09:06:45 <JasonWoof> I use ion3
09:06:50 <Quiznos> cool
09:07:04 <JasonWoof> it doesn't require a kde desktop or anything, it just uses the libs
09:07:14 <Quiznos> k
09:43:42 <JasonWoof> I didn't try konqueror for years because I thought you had to use KDE
09:43:51 <JasonWoof> and because it was crappy when I tried it last :)
09:44:19 <JasonWoof> (I went to a very large html document, and it just started grinding like mad for minutes
09:44:36 <JasonWoof> as if it didn't to partial renderings or something
09:44:49 <JasonWoof> now it's pretty slick though
09:44:54 <JasonWoof> better than firefox anyway
09:45:46 <Quiznos> cool
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09:49:17 <JasonWoof> I think the only thing that made me curse was the password save dialogs
09:49:40 <Quiznos> you never found a conf var?
09:49:43 <Quiznos> for that?
09:49:49 <JasonWoof> no
09:49:55 <Quiznos> wow
09:50:02 <Quiznos> grep'd the xml files?
09:50:06 <JasonWoof> there's nothing in the preferences gui
09:50:10 <Quiznos> kk
09:50:18 <Quiznos> and the *.js files?
09:50:25 <JasonWoof> I looked through the files a bit
09:50:26 <JasonWoof> js?
09:50:32 <Quiznos> java scr
09:51:01 <JasonWoof> what kind of retarted browser would use javascript for config files?
09:51:16 <Quiznos> i've seen *.js
09:51:30 <JasonWoof> and yes I've looked through the config file I could find
09:51:55 <Quiznos> kk
09:53:44 <JasonWoof> I'm not entirely sure where konqueror hides its files though
09:53:47 <JasonWoof> I found some in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/
09:54:21 <Quiznos> yea
09:54:30 <Quiznos> try usr/share and usr/lib
09:54:36 <Quiznos> and /opt
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10:59:19 <Quiznos> who's writing the chess program?
10:59:58 <Quiznos> come on, confess
11:00:01 <Quiznos> :)
11:01:19 <TheBlueWizard> ok I confess to writing a Zen Chess...it's a one-by-one chess board with a single white pawn, and the program is asking you to consider the move ;)
11:01:29 <Quiznos> heh
11:01:42 <Quiznos> well someone here was talkin yesterday and i mentioned a book
11:02:03 <Quiznos> _my system_ by Aron Nimzovich
11:02:15 <Quiznos> i found it digging through crap in the living room
11:02:39 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...never heard of it :)
11:03:41 <Quiznos> it's an book on howto win.
11:03:47 <Quiznos> not just the mechanics
11:04:07 <Quiznos> all this chess chatter yesterday had me thinking of bitfields
11:05:49 <TheBlueWizard> hmm...it sounds like the book is geared towards winning at gambling, be it slot machines, poker, blackjack or roulette (preferably the Russian version ;)
11:05:59 <Quiznos> not at all
11:06:09 <Quiznos> Aron was a champion chess player
11:06:31 <TheBlueWizard> oh...ok :)
11:09:18 <TheBlueWizard> well...gotta go...bye!
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12:51:37 <Raystm2_> q
12:51:42 <Raystm2_> yikes
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12:52:18 <Raystm2> Quiznos: I'm writing a chess program for RetroForth.
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12:56:53 <docl> here's an interesting article: http://davidbrin.com/addiction.html
12:57:02 <Raystm2> http://retroforth.net/paste/?id=95 current snapshot with new menu/help
13:05:13 <docl> cool
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14:30:22 <Quiznos> Raystm2 !!! yea, did you see the earlier ref to the book i named yesterday?
14:30:29 <Quiznos> i was in my boxes today
14:30:36 <Quiznos> "found" it
14:30:46 <Quiznos> altho i'm sure God wanted me to :)-
14:33:15 <Raystm2> Quiznos: read it to me in a private chat. :)
14:34:30 <Quiznos> _my system_ by Aron Nimzovich
14:36:04 <Raystm2> thank you, I'll add it to my book list.
14:37:28 * Raystm2 been thinking about adding the PGN translator to the RetroChess board.
14:39:27 <Raystm2> starting with the destination, take what you know about how a piece moves and work your way backwards to see if you can find which piece with the given name can move into that destination, get the source square and form a base18 move command.
14:39:57 <Quiznos> game theory
14:40:04 <Quiznos> red-black trees
14:43:14 <Raystm2> I've only done trees in python for the animals program. I'm looking forward to learning how to accomplish this in forth.
14:44:31 <Quiznos> coo
14:44:48 * Raystm2 should do the animals program in forth to learn trees.
14:45:00 <Quiznos> do logo too
14:45:03 <Raystm2> ya.
14:45:06 <Quiznos> heh
14:45:10 <Raystm2> and ChuckBot for retroforth.
14:45:11 <Quiznos> need the turtle!
14:45:25 <Quiznos> an Forthel (karel)
14:45:34 <Raystm2> :)
14:45:46 <Raystm2> ChuckBot is a forth Karel.
14:45:46 <Quiznos> Forel
14:45:51 <Quiznos> gime
14:46:15 <docl> hehe
14:46:21 <Raystm2> Rarel for RetroRay :)
14:47:39 <Raystm2> I did a Towers of Hanoi in colorforth were the rings are on the stack and you can swap and rot them to choose between them using the keyboard.
14:48:30 <Quiznos> coo
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15:00:26 <Quiznos> where's chcukbot?
15:00:36 <Quiznos> i need source!
15:00:42 <Quiznos> FEED ME, Seymour!!!
15:08:40 * juri_ takes the crack pipe away from Quiznos.
15:16:52 <Raystm2> Quiznos: one source, comming up...
15:17:02 * Raystm2 has to find :)
15:30:28 <Raystm2> http://ray.rx-core.org/new_site/cb0508211617.html
15:30:34 <Raystm2> there it is.
15:40:26 <Raystm2> that's old now. must update. Now ChuckBot chess uses crc's def of later to create a more readable moves language.
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15:50:49 <I440r> THATS where my crack pipe went to !!!!!!!!!11
15:50:55 <I440r> Quiznos, you thief!
16:04:56 <docl> sheesh guys, get high on life instead :)
16:23:30 <Quiznos> huh?
16:23:51 <Quiznos> what happened?
16:24:08 <Quiznos> .oO url
16:25:51 <Quiznos> woot
16:25:54 <Quiznos> Raystm2 tyvm
16:26:24 * Quiznos loves collecting bits
16:26:47 <Quiznos> [belch]
16:39:37 <Raystm2> Your welcom Quiznos. Thanks for your interest. The Glypher, and current Colorforth versions have updated some since that post, but I've not made them available yet.
16:39:52 <Quiznos> k
16:45:37 <Quiznos> damn, i just got serious spam from Melinda.Kennedy@
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18:38:16 <ayrnieu> sigh, the fans on my computer no longer work.
18:38:29 <snowrichard> hi ayrnieu
18:38:37 <ayrnieu> with hw.setperf set to 0, it has climbed 20 degC in the last minute or so.
18:38:38 <snowrichard> that could be bad in these temps. 
18:38:58 <ayrnieu> this is a very cool room.  It's burning itself out without any help from the environment.
18:39:23 <ayrnieu> (I've two sensors.  Earlier today, the external read 50 degC as the internal read 110 degC)
18:39:44 <snowrichard> you could make steam :) 
18:42:14 <Quartus_> shut down until you get fans, or you'll wreck the gear.
18:43:05 <snowrichard> when I was in the Navy we had to shut down the system when the AC went out.  A call from the captain to the A/C shop go it on fast. :) 
18:44:43 <snowrichard> s/go/got/
18:46:16 <ayrnieu> geez, this stupid password-reset wants my "First boyfriend/girlfriend's name."
18:47:03 <snowrichard> don't think I've ever given out that info on the net.
18:48:49 <ayrnieu> I couldn't possibly give that information out.  I hate it when people try to get clever with these questions.  "What is your favorite movie?"  "What arbitrary lie did you enter a month ago?"
18:51:33 <Raystm2> Who's on first? What's on second? ...
18:52:14 <ayrnieu> Quartus - can you give me any quick pointers to networking under palm?  Some generic Quartus vocabulary?  Or a list of the PalmOS networking words, where I could get addresses from the SDK?  I've an account with Palm, but I didn't have an easy time finding this information.
18:53:15 <Quartus_> ayrnieu, I'm noi wired right now, but there's a pose docs link on the Quartus wiki top bar, should get you close to the mark.
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18:54:14 <Raystm2> "Computers in the future may weight no more then 15 tons." Popular Mechanics 1949
18:54:17 <ayrnieu> alright.  I'll have to shutdown in a few minutes to let the kit cool off (98 degC right now).  If I can get the basics, a PalmOS IRC client will follow.
18:54:31 <Raystm2> much luck
18:54:33 <Quartus_> keen.
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19:01:28 <Raystm2> what's new Quartus_
19:02:45 * Raystm2 is thinking out the PGN
19:03:04 <Raystm2> It happens that FEN is included in the PGN tag set.
19:03:11 <Raystm2> I get to use both.
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19:07:43 <Quartus_> hey. Yes, I think they're described together.
19:09:50 * Raystm2 found a PGN standard to code by.
19:10:42 <Quartus_> there's an official one.
19:11:47 <Raystm2> I found http://www.chessclub.com/help/PGN-spec
19:12:18 <Quartus_> it's a pretty well-established thing at this point.
19:13:42 <Raystm2> Agreed.
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