00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.06.26 01:27:40 --- join: nighty_ (i=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 02:07:50 --- quit: reiffert ("leaving") 04:20:29 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool74-154.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:52:26 --- join: timlarson_ (n=timlarso@65.116.199.19) joined #forth 05:57:56 --- join: madwork (n=foo@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 06:35:56 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 06:50:58 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-2pool238-131.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 06:53:23 --- quit: virl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:16:49 interesting.. my gforth is always trying lookup first, before conversion. I swear I read that forths would try to make a number first. 07:34:12 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 07:35:15 hi 07:41:32 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-32-96.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 07:41:58 PoppaVic: no, first lookup, then number, then maybe fnumber, then error 07:42:13 interesting 07:42:21 PoppaVic: so ADD can be a command and a hex number :) 07:42:35 yeah, I was testing "deadbeef" 07:42:56 ok, good to know - under the circumstances 07:49:11 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 07:49:19 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 07:55:27 --- quit: PoppaVic ("calls it a knight") 07:56:18 I recommend putting a prefix on hex numbers 07:56:58 imo it makes code easier to read 08:24:42 i recommend always using hex :-) 08:31:30 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 08:45:08 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 08:47:39 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 09:36:23 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-106-004.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 09:39:54 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@71.240.162.190) joined #forth 09:53:30 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:53:38 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 10:35:45 --- nick: gnomon -> gnomon-bag-squid 10:39:42 --- nick: gnomon-bag-squid -> gnomon 12:35:30 --- quit: Zymurgy (Remote closed the connection) 12:35:31 --- join: Zymurgy (i=zymurgy@cat.delfax.net) joined #forth 12:44:12 --- quit: Zymurgy (Remote closed the connection) 12:44:14 --- join: Zymurgy (i=zymurgy@cat.delfax.net) joined #forth 12:46:26 --- quit: Jim7J1AJH (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:30:56 --- quit: timlarson_ ("Leaving") 13:51:29 --- join: reiffert (n=reiffert@student.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE) joined #forth 13:52:10 moin 13:58:51 --- join: ttuttle (n=tom@unaffiliated/ttuttle) joined #forth 13:58:57 Quartus: Hey. 14:02:51 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:14:00 --- quit: reiffert ("leaving") 14:56:56 Hey ttuttle. 15:06:27 What's up? 15:06:54 --- join: I440r (n=mark4@24-177-235-246.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined #forth 15:08:35 Not much. 15:08:55 I'm working on a Ruby on Rails project for a friend. It's like a meta-forum, where each user gets their own forum. 15:09:34 * ttuttle is, of course, greedily hoping for generous AdSense revenue. 15:10:02 --- quit: Cheery ("Leaving") 15:10:43 Heh. 15:11:43 Yeah. 15:15:57 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 15:16:33 --- join: I440r (n=mark4@24-177-235-246.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined #forth 15:18:29 just updated my pre-release of isforth with my debugger 15:18:48 debugger is still not quite right yet but its getting closer :) 15:35:42 --- quit: nighty_ (Remote closed the connection) 16:04:56 --- quit: gnomon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:18:26 --- join: Jim7J1AJH (n=jim@221x115x224x2.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) joined #forth 16:33:57 --- quit: tathi ("playing taxi") 17:33:06 --- quit: ttuttle ("leaving") 18:46:34 --- join: ttuttle (n=tom@unaffiliated/ttuttle) joined #forth 18:46:37 Quartus: Hey. 18:55:04 Hey. 18:55:51 --- quit: uiuiuiu (Remote closed the connection) 18:55:55 --- join: uiuiuiu (i=ian@dslb-084-056-236-155.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 18:57:55 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 19:07:22 --- quit: ttuttle ("leaving") 19:22:22 --- quit: virl ("Verlassend") 20:37:47 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-143-051.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 20:41:57 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE000103c34069-CM014300001653.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 20:45:33 --- quit: segher__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:00:20 hey, Amazon.com has Thinking Forth -- new, not just from other sources. 21:04:34 --- quit: gnomon ("Updating...") 21:07:08 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE000103c34069-CM014300001653.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 21:19:09 the last time I was big into Forth, I really didn't have any money :-/ 21:19:59 Probably the most I had at one time was the 100 USD I used to buy a copy of Quartus Forth for the m125 my parents gifted to me. 21:20:25 And then I found a copy of Starting Forth at a thrift shop -- a nice win. 21:21:21 Still, it's nice to have a job and be able to buy five Forth-related books to start back on things. Less time, but more resources. Such is adulthood. 21:31:08 ayrnieu, which books did you nab? 21:33:19 gnomon - Starting Forth, Thinking Forth, Scientific Forth, Forth Application Techniques, and Forth Programmer's Handbook 21:34:21 Oooooh... that sounds like a really nice set! Where did you snarf them? 21:39:24 Amazon. I'll get them in two days, thanks to a decision I made months and months ago :-) 22:02:46 Thanks again for buying Quartus Forth, ayrnieu. :) 22:03:21 heh, thanks for writing it. I had a blast :-) 22:03:23 Quartus, you're *that* Quartus? Nifty! 22:03:55 --- join: Cheery (n=Henri@a81-197-32-96.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 22:03:56 also, I like Motorola now, because they send me free m68k manuals when I started messing with the assembler but couldn't deal with 'encrypted' PDF. 22:08:57 gnomon, that's me. 22:09:17 Motorola's docs are well put together. 22:10:22 Quartus, thanks for your efforts! I really like your Forth. I'm still mostly a LispMe user these days, but those bits of Forth that I have picked up have been mostly because of you. Thank you very much. 22:10:42 I'm pleased to hear it, gnomon! Thanks for the kind words. 22:11:09 ayrnieu, did you find the first or second revision of Starting Forth? 22:11:18 Quartus - the second. 22:11:23 Good. 22:11:33 what's the difference? 22:11:39 Pretty significant reworking. 22:12:32 also, thinking, Quartus Forth is still pretty much my favorite implementation of Forth. It's only that I don't use PalmOS so much anymore. 22:12:43 Quartus, ayrnieu - have you read over the reimplementation of Thinking Forth? Any opinions on that? And how about Marcel Hendrix's reworking of Starting Forth? 22:13:08 oh, did he rework it? I thought he'd just posted it conveniently. 22:13:18 gnomon, the new Thinking Forth is mostly a correction of the old one. Free and worth the price, certainly. :) 22:13:34 Who was it who did an ANS version of Starting Forth? 22:13:54 ayrnieu, thanks -- get back on the Palm OS and write a killer app! :) 22:14:29 * ayrnieu does keep a T|X for a dictionary :-) 22:16:03 ayrnieu, he rewrote it from memory, as I recall. It wasn't an exact duplicate of the original. 22:16:26 (...and that reminds me, I need to track down a copy of said original with a bit less marginalia than is present in the local library copy) 22:16:55 Quartus, is the new Thinking Forth not all that great, then? Or were you just poking fun at them? 22:17:02 There's something about beginning Forth programmers that makes them write in margines. 22:17:14 Quartus, and I think that it was Marcel Hendrix who updated Starting Forth for ANS Forths. 22:17:18 Wasn't poking fun -- free is a great price for the PDF! It's a very good book. 22:17:31 Quartus, someone wrote, if I recall correctly, "stack order is important" somewhere around page 80. 22:18:08 wise words 22:18:09 Yes, that's the flipside -- the things they write in the margins are really inane. :) 22:19:26 any good word definitions in the margins? 22:19:30 Heh ;) I actually created an index for the marginalia. I think it's buried somewhere on the memory stick in my Palm. Thank $DEITY for SiEd. 22:19:38 ayrnieu, none I've ever seen :) 22:19:41 ayrnieu, not a one, I'm afraid. I never got around to adding any. 22:19:58 ...and even if I had, there's no guarantee that it would have been any good! 22:20:32 you should at least put : decompose rot rot rot ; in it :-) 22:20:42 heh 22:21:22 Heh, very cute ;) 22:26:35 heh 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.06.26