00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.06.22 00:00:52 * Raystm2 went to Alexis today for the first time, didn't see my site there tho. :) 00:00:59 Alexis? 00:01:25 ya you know, that webpage popularity ranking . 00:01:42 Ah. 00:01:51 I'm sure I'm not there either. 00:01:56 I was shocked to see a site called Craigslist, so high in the ranking. 00:02:04 Oh that's a biggie. 00:02:14 my first time with it was today. 00:02:48 I assume thier popularity is due to the fact that it was way early in the game, and always stood to principals. 00:03:05 I don't know how early it was, but it's useful. 00:03:29 Apparently, it's the best job-search site with the most positive results. 00:04:04 I read that the list started in early 90's as BBS. 00:04:25 Could be. 00:14:15 St. Marie heal thy heel thy self. 00:17:15 okay, you have a range of memory, and a pointer to any part of memory. You have a words that move that pointer to and fro, and words to increment and decrement the values at the pointer. 00:17:22 What do you build with it first? 00:32:45 the remaining few brainfuck operators? 01:43:53 --- join: diverge (i=diverge@phrack.be) joined #forth 01:46:37 --- quit: JasonWoof ("off to bed") 02:00:32 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 04:02:18 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 05:01:12 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-2pool238-244.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:22:18 oh, neat. gforth has a script ans-report.fs that lists the words that your program uses 05:22:40 also which ans wordlist they are in 05:27:18 that is pretty neat - is that the old or the new version? 05:49:41 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-32-96.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 06:06:20 --- join: virl (n=virl@62.178.85.149) joined #forth 06:43:02 --- quit: crc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07:03:16 oy.. issues breeding issues 08:03:47 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 08:05:23 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-3pool158-44.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 08:22:05 --- join: Shain (i=steve@c-67-161-56-76.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:05:26 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-71-192-33-206.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:05:26 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 09:10:56 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 09:31:58 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:32:46 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-152-120.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 10:16:22 --- quit: nighty_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:17:30 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 10:17:35 --- quit: nighty_ (Remote closed the connection) 10:35:28 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 11:00:45 --- join: crcx (n=crc@pool-70-110-176-23.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 11:07:00 hi crc 11:07:09 hi virl 11:09:26 crcx, do you know why ans forth uses capitalized words? and where is this convention exactly defined in the standard(because I'm to stupid to find it) 11:10:48 3.4.2 11:10:49 http://www.taygeta.com/forth/dpans3.htm#3.4.2 11:11:12 specifically, this part of that section: 11:11:13 11:11:13 A system shall be capable of finding the definition names defined by this Standard when they are spelled with upper-case letters. 11:13:40 virl: I think that back when Forth was designed, many computers didn't even have lower-case letters. 11:13:46 thx, crcx 11:14:03 and the use of upper-case letters for code hung around for quite a while 11:14:29 my grasp of computer history isn't great, but that's the impression that I have. :) 11:14:42 tathi, I thought at that reason too, but others think, that it was introduced because of better readability. 11:15:18 Chuck has quite bad vision 11:15:23 I believe it is for compatibility with older forths that only support uppercase 11:15:38 virl: http://www.taygeta.com/forth/dpans3.htm#3.3.1.2 (3.3.1.2) has some other notes on word names 11:15:55 most code I see now is lowercase, although I don't look at other people's forth code much 11:15:56 personally I don't like it, because I'm not a fan of shift 11:15:57 crcx: that would be my guess. 11:16:32 from reading the rationale sections, it sounds like the standard team mostly just were trying to unify existing practices 11:16:54 not necessarily out to create a standard that would cover everything that you might ever need to do. 11:17:38 virl: well, you don't HAVE to use uppercase. The standard allows for systems that are case-insensitive 11:17:39 what's exactly the [word] convention? what should it tell me? 11:17:53 means "runs at compile time" 11:18:38 : [word] word ; immediate 11:19:05 or : [word] word lit ; immediate 11:19:19 in the case of [char] anyway 11:19:33 char a 11:19:38 : foo [char] a ; 11:20:34 virl: it's sort of shorthand for what you would get if you did "[ foo ]" 11:20:39 how to make this confusing... 11:21:07 try the following: 11:21:30 : foo char 1 . ; foo 1 . 11:21:36 : foo [char] 1 . ; foo 1 . 11:22:23 * JasonWoof cackles 11:23:42 well, a new standard needs to come. 11:24:41 bah 11:25:25 the standard doesn't hurt anything 11:25:35 you're perfectly free to make a non-standard Forth and use it 11:26:04 and it's usually relatively easy to add a layer that provides mostly standard behavior 11:26:06 that is something which I do 11:26:36 for those people who would like their standard programs to run on it without too much work in porting them 11:27:59 help dcc 11:28:04 erf 11:36:36 well, flamewars about the standard aren't helpfull 11:39:38 --- join: Astrobe (n=fred@c-real.rouen-wireless.net) joined #forth 11:45:45 heh. stop trying to start them then. 11:53:35 --- quit: nighty_ (Remote closed the connection) 11:56:58 --- quit: Astrobe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:00:14 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 12:00:42 --- join: Astrobe (n=fred@c-real.rouen-wireless.net) joined #forth 12:34:07 --- nick: crcx -> crc 12:34:14 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 12:38:28 --- quit: nighty_ ("Disappears in a puff of smoke") 12:38:37 --- join: nighty_ (n=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 12:43:12 --- quit: nighty_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:44:11 --- join: nighty_ (i=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 13:00:51 --- quit: Shain (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:31:42 --- part: slava left #forth 14:07:41 --- quit: Astrobe ("Leaving") 14:35:56 --- join: Shain (i=steve@c-67-161-56-76.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 14:49:11 --- nick: Al2O3 -> FelipeTheScoreBo 14:49:32 --- nick: FelipeTheScoreBo -> Al2O3 14:54:38 --- join: I440r (n=mark4@24-177-235-246.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) joined #forth 15:57:20 --- join: segher__ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-140-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 16:06:40 --- quit: segher_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18:04:46 --- nick: segher__ -> segher 18:53:40 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 19:06:11 --- part: crc left #forth 19:06:12 --- join: crc (n=crc@pdpc/supporter/active/crc) joined #forth 19:06:12 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 19:34:21 --- quit: Al2O3 (Remote closed the connection) 20:17:43 --- quit: crc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:44:15 --- join: ayrnieu (i=julian@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/ayrnieu) joined #forth 20:49:39 --- topic: set to 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language, simplicity, and a variety of technical subjects. The rules are so simple that a statement of them here would only undermine them.' by ayrnieu 20:49:57 --- topic: set to 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language, simplicity, and a variety of technical subjects. The rules are so simple that a statement of them here would only undermine them.' by ayrnieu 20:51:42 ayrnieu, you'd think that, but unless they're stated, they won't be understood. 20:51:46 Conventions of typed English : Conventions of program structure. 20:52:31 Plus, now the topic sounds like it's spoken by Stewie from Family GUy. 20:53:41 nobody needs to understand that they shouldn't spam; trolls will only make use of the no-troll rule as a topic of trolling; non-English speakers frustrate themselves (or are trolls) -- and people who also speak other languages will only be tempted to speak them in response to the unusually explicit rule against them. 20:54:11 toki! 20:54:39 but I won't press the issue if you disagree enough to revert the topic. 20:55:06 but it's really like the "no smoking. no spitting." sign from The Illuminatus! trilogy. 20:55:13 I don't particularly mind if you want to take the rules out, but I'd also take out the weird statement that's in there now. 20:55:21 --- quit: Cheery ("Leaving") 20:55:34 hm, yes. 20:55:45 --- topic: set to 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language, simplicity, and a variety of technical subjects.' by ayrnieu 20:56:21 heh, actually I thought the rules thing was a kind of cute in-joke 20:57:45 curiously, how's that? It reminded you of the Russian #forth'ers? 20:58:01 no, just that it's been there so long 21:03:09 well it's kind of a joke because it gives rules while showing how stupid the need for them is. 21:10:16 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@71.240.162.190) joined #forth 22:19:56 --- quit: ayrnieu (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: virl (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: uiuiuiu (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: diverge (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: docl (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: michaelw (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: Zymurgy (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: Jim7J1AJH (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: crc__ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: Al2O3 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: segher (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: Shain (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: nighty_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: Snoopy42 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: Hobart (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: madgarden (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:56 --- quit: warpzero (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: Quartus (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: arke (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: madwork (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: gnomon (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- quit: Raystm2 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 22:19:57 --- join: Al2O3 (n=Al2O3@71.240.162.190) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: ayrnieu (i=julian@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/ayrnieu) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-140-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: Shain (i=steve@c-67-161-56-76.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: nighty_ (i=nighty@sushi.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-152-120.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: virl (n=virl@62.178.85.149) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: diverge (i=diverge@phrack.be) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: uiuiuiu (i=ian@dslb-084-056-230-164.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: madwork (n=foo@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: Jim7J1AJH (n=jim@221x115x224x2.ap221.ftth.ucom.ne.jp) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: crc__ (i=crc@69.46.24.28) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: michaelw (n=michaelw@lambda.foldr.org) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: Zymurgy (i=zymurgy@cat.delfax.net) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: docl (n=docl@70-101-145-1.br1.mcl.id.frontiernet.net) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: gnomon (n=gnomon@CPE000103c34069-CM014300001653.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: Quartus (n=trailer@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@ppp-70-248-34-163.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@Quebec-HSE-ppp3617608.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: Hobart (i=jb@jb.org) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: arke (n=f2@bespin.org) joined #forth 22:19:57 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 22:26:55 --- join: saon (i=1000@unaffiliated/saon) joined #forth 23:02:55 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.06.22