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01:36:22 <arke> hi
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02:21:55 <Robert> Hi
02:24:41 <arke> whats up
02:26:28 <Robert> Smalltalk
02:27:11 <arke> I've wnated to learn it
02:27:14 <arke> never got around to it
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07:26:11 <JasonWoof> ok, so maybe I am going to write an irc->mud gateway thing
07:26:36 <Robert> Two time consumers merged into one!
07:30:51 <JasonWoof> I just want to be able to play discworld mud in an irssi window
07:30:53 <JasonWoof> is that too much to ask?
07:31:23 <Hobart> JasonWoof -> Screen can do close enough :b  ;-)
07:31:33 <Hobart> now all it needs are vertical window splits
07:31:48 <JasonWoof> I've got it mostly done
07:31:53 <JasonWoof> just have to hack the colors
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07:47:47 <PoppaVic> gahh... I could scream
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10:00:10 <Hobart> on IRC, noone can hear you scream
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10:29:57 <Quartus>  Thankfully nobody asks him why.
10:57:15 <JasonWoof> awesome :) irssi appears to accept ansi color sequences :)
10:57:25 <JasonWoof> maybe I don't have to hack the colors after all :)
10:57:33 <Robert> Nice.
10:57:39 <JasonWoof> it works :)
10:58:31 <JasonWoof> it's a little cumbersome
10:58:41 <JasonWoof> because I wrote it as a bot, not an irc server
10:58:57 <JasonWoof> so you have to run an ircd
10:59:15 <Robert> Written in Forth?
10:59:20 <JasonWoof> no, perl
10:59:25 <Robert> Ah.
10:59:41 <JasonWoof> hehe :) I love seeing the indicator thing in irssi tell me something happened in the mud
11:00:06 <JasonWoof> I had a bot in perl already, so I just started with that and added the telnet stuff
11:00:09 <JasonWoof> it's very simple
11:00:25 <JasonWoof> I don't have a forth with networking capabilities at the present time
11:00:52 <Robert> Don't worry, I'm not about to sue you for heresy.
11:01:10 * Robert admits to only doing IRC stuff in Ruby.
11:01:33 <JasonWoof> I'm slowly making it so I can do more things in forth
11:06:30 <JasonWoof> eg now I can do web scripting
11:06:43 <Robert> Neat.
11:16:51 <JasonWoof> the irc log viewer is in forth
11:16:57 <JasonWoof> but the log bot is still perl
11:25:30 <slava> what does perl have that your forth lacks for this application
11:25:30 <slava> ?
11:31:11 <michaelw> slava: you can SEE the definition of a factor word, right?
11:31:32 <slava> yes, like \ reverse see
11:32:42 <michaelw> slava: do you store the source as tokens/strings/etc. or do you lookup words->name?
11:33:10 <michaelw> slava: and if so how do you deal with inline and immediate words?
11:33:15 <slava> on disk the source is stored in text files, in memory its a tree structure of nested lists, with word objects in the leaf
11:33:21 <slava> leaves*
11:35:44 <michaelw> i am trying to figure out how to store enough information so that i can pretty print words in a way that they can be read back verbatim
11:35:58 <slava> verbatim? you'd need to store source
11:36:07 <slava> my 'see' loses comments and formatting
11:37:58 <michaelw> i don't have comments yet, formatting can be neglected, but native words are a little tricky
11:38:05 <slava> native words?
11:38:32 <michaelw> CODE ...
11:38:44 <slava> well you can implement a disassembler for those
11:40:00 <michaelw> yeah
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12:07:29 <JasonWoof> michaelw: you could just save the source
12:07:34 <JasonWoof> usually VIEW shows this to you
12:07:58 <JasonWoof> slava: I don't think gforth has the networking capabilities I'd need to write a good bot
12:09:01 <JasonWoof> I need select or poll or some such
12:09:34 <JasonWoof> well, I could get away with a function that would tell me if I could call read/write without it blocking.
12:18:34 <slava> hmm
12:20:59 <slava> i don't think an irc bot needs to maintain several connections
12:21:17 <slava> factorbot is single-treaded
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13:24:18 <JasonWoof> hmmm... I should hack the colors after all
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14:25:03 <JasonWoof> oh THATs why w3m wouldn't run
14:25:17 <JasonWoof> I re-installed it and its direct dependancies
14:25:28 <JasonWoof> turns out it had an http_proxy set
14:26:01 <JasonWoof> slava: I was writing a bot that connects you to a mud
14:26:17 <JasonWoof> so it has the irc connection and the telnet connection
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14:27:00 <JasonWoof> my logbot used select with a timeout to detect when it got silently disconnected
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14:35:14 <I440r> ?
14:35:18 <I440r> nobody here ?
14:35:32 <I440r> erm i think my client is screwing up lol
14:35:40 <I440r> it doesnt even show ME in this channel lol
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14:36:21 <JasonWoof> hillarious
14:36:57 <JasonWoof> I440r: were you really laughing out loud?
14:37:06 <I440r> no
14:42:51 <I440r> anyone know where tathi is ?
14:53:38 <JasonWoof> he left 27 minutes ago
14:53:53 <JasonWoof> rather inexplicably
14:55:49 <I440r> i emailed him 2 days ago!
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15:50:33 <slava> JasonWoof: in factor i can do timeouts on i/o ports by calling set-timeout on the stream object
15:52:27 <crc> good evening
15:53:17 <slava> hi crc
15:53:49 <slava> crc: have you done any more with the gtk bindings?
15:56:36 <crc> not yet
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15:57:06 <slava> crc: i implemented a module system which can load a source file with all dependencies
15:57:12 <crc> I will likely start working with them again soon though
15:57:20 <crc> cool
15:57:21 <slava> crc: it makes it much easier to move stuff out of the core
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17:10:55 <slava> hi Squeaker 
17:11:05 <Squeaker> hi slava
17:11:40 <slava> you use Squeak?
17:12:08 <Squeaker> begining with etoys
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17:54:52 <JasonWoof> wtf? discworld mud is sending this string sometimes: ^[[39;49m^[[0;10m
17:56:04 <Quartus> A vt100 code, isn't it?
17:58:40 <JasonWoof> yeah, but what do they do?
17:59:10 <JasonWoof> ^[[3x sets the color to x where x is 0-7
17:59:18 <JasonWoof> dunno what 9 is
17:59:40 <JasonWoof> and I thought ^[[0 cleared the color info back to the default
18:00:28 <JasonWoof> dw mud is sending these characters after each colored line
18:00:35 <JasonWoof> i
18:01:55 <crc> are these supposed to be ansi escape codes?
18:05:14 <crc> One of my note files has this:
18:05:14 <crc> set default fg color ^[[39m
18:05:14 <crc> set default bg color  ^[[49m
18:05:22 <JasonWoof> ahh
18:05:26 <JasonWoof> yes, it should be ansi
18:06:46 <crc> http://pueblo.sourceforge.net/doc/manual/ansi_color_codes.html
18:12:45 <JasonWoof> crc: thanks :)
18:12:51 <JasonWoof> still no idea what 10m is though
18:20:34 <I440r> man 5 terminfo :)
18:21:39 <I440r> mioght be an sgr or an sgr0 
18:21:40 <I440r> not sure
18:21:48 <I440r> ill find out :)
18:22:24 <I440r> its probably an sgr0 tho because most terminals only support that and not the sgr
18:22:27 <I440r> which is moronic
18:22:48 <JasonWoof> what's sgr?
18:23:07 <I440r> restore specific attribute to default
18:23:14 <I440r> like bold/underline/blink etc
18:23:21 <I440r> sgr0 restores ALL of them
18:23:34 <JasonWoof> isn't that just ^[[0m
18:23:48 <I440r> erm yea that might be rioght
18:23:49 <I440r> right
18:24:09 <JasonWoof> crc's link says it clears all colors and styles
18:24:25 <I440r> isforth has terminfo parsing, it doesnt hard code any of them
18:24:40 <I440r> because an sgr here isnt the same as an sgr over there...
18:24:51 <JasonWoof> I'm mostly just annoyed because this silly escape sequence appears after the newline
18:25:02 <JasonWoof> so my mud bot has to figure out that it's not a prompt
18:25:18 <I440r> is your bot coded in forth ?
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18:25:27 <JasonWoof> escape codes are retarted
18:25:33 <I440r> they are
18:25:45 <I440r> but if your bot is coded in forth you can use my terminfo code
18:25:50 <JasonWoof> no, I don't have the networking api I need in forth
18:25:58 <I440r> ?
18:26:02 <I440r> what api
18:26:12 <JasonWoof> does your terminfo stuff parse the escape codes?
18:26:25 <I440r> yes
18:26:30 <JasonWoof> spiffy
18:26:52 <I440r> it loads in /etc/terminfo/?/???? based on $TERM
18:27:37 <JasonWoof> I don't care about that. I just want to parse ansi escape codes and translate to irc color sequences
18:27:50 <JasonWoof> and plain text
18:28:05 <JasonWoof> (or at least check to make sure there's some actual text on the line
18:31:36 <JasonWoof> good lord, now it sent ^[[36m^[[39;49m^[[0;10m
18:31:41 <I440r> ansi escape sequences are different for EVERY terminal type
18:31:49 <I440r> only a very small number of them are common
18:32:59 <JasonWoof> this is rediculous. it's setting the foreground color, then resetting the foreground color to default. then resetting the background color (which was never changed) back to default, then resetting everything back to default, the 10m which I don't have a clue what it does
18:33:23 <I440r> oooohhhh i bet i know why
18:33:32 <I440r> wanna know what THE single slowest thing you can do in a terminal is ?
18:33:39 <I440r> modify the attribures
18:33:45 <I440r> they are injecting a delay
18:34:01 <JasonWoof> heh
18:34:13 <I440r> :)
18:34:58 <JasonWoof> well, I'm going to write a nasty regex to remove the sequences, so I can tell if there's actual text or not
18:35:20 <I440r> :)
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18:50:47 <ttuttle> Quartus: Hey.
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19:24:33 <Quartus> Hey.
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