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01:16:51 <arke> hi
01:17:22 <snowrichard> hey arke
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13:44:38 <JasonWoof> I got a shell account, how do I tell what distrobution it is?
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14:01:11 <JasonWoof> and the winner is... gcc --version
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14:02:44 <ttuttle> Quartus: Hey!
14:02:59 <ttuttle> Quartus: (/me is ThinkingInBinary.)
14:17:20 <Quartus> Hey.
14:17:54 <ttuttle> Quartus: It smells very not stupid in here today.  I wonder why.
14:18:01 <Quartus> Heh. How are things?
14:18:06 <ttuttle> Quartus: Good.
14:18:13 <Quartus> Got your brother sorted out?
14:18:17 <ttuttle> Quartus: I just found out that I can't connect to Freenode via IPv4 anymore.
14:18:19 <ttuttle> Quartus: Not yet ;-)
14:18:31 <Quartus> Oh? Why not IPv4?
14:18:38 <ttuttle> I don't know.  Maybe I got K-lined or something.
14:19:01 <ttuttle> It might be a firewall rule gone haywire, forwarding an external port to an internal proxy server and triggering the open proxy monitor.
14:19:06 <Quartus> Maybe.
14:19:39 <ttuttle> Quartus: Either that, or I was forwarding all ports greater than 1024 and leaving none for NAT ;-)
14:20:00 <Quartus> :)
14:20:04 * ttuttle is smart!
14:21:14 <ttuttle> So, any interesting projects come your way lately?
14:25:10 * ttuttle attempts to trigger Quartus's nickname detection, in case he didn't see my last message.
14:30:02 <Quartus> Sorry. Phone. Back.
14:30:14 <Quartus> Projects; I'm building a model spaceship presently.
14:30:37 <Quartus> Aside from the usual Forth support, etc.
14:30:52 <ttuttle> Ah.
14:30:55 <ttuttle> Cool, what kind?
14:31:04 <Quartus> An Eagle from Space 1999.
14:31:27 <ttuttle> Cool!
14:32:07 * ttuttle is hurriedly finishing an ill-fated Java project for school (never EVER use Java RMI for ANYTHING!) so he can get on to more interesting things.
14:32:35 <Quartus> Still building your hand-calculator gadget?
14:32:48 <ttuttle> It's on hold until the summer, since I have no time.  But school ends in 2 weeks.
14:33:33 <Quartus> Then full-speed ahead?
14:33:35 <ttuttle> Of course, I may find myself knee-deep in something else during the summer, like a job or internship somewhere.
14:33:51 <ttuttle> Yeah, I'll at least be able to build a programmer and try stuff.
14:34:18 * Ray_work peeks in just to raise the stupid stick level. :) 
14:34:21 <Ray_work> hi men!
14:34:24 <Quartus> Hey Ray.
14:34:30 <Quartus> I'm off to drink coffee in 32 degree heat.
14:34:32 <ttuttle> Ray_work: hey!
14:34:36 <Ray_work> stick should have been stink :)
14:34:45 * ttuttle wonders if that's in Fahrenheit or Celsius.
14:34:49 <Ray_work> yikes 32 celcius?
14:34:49 <Quartus> C.
14:34:58 <Ray_work> that's pretty hot. 
14:34:59 * ttuttle is enlightened.
14:35:12 <Quartus> It is, and humid too! Such is Canadian summer.
14:35:17 <Ray_work> coffee a good drink on a hot day.
14:35:38 * ttuttle remembers his grande iced marble mocha macchiato.  "Yes, it is."
14:35:42 * Ray_work is sweating my keys off.
14:35:51 <Ray_work> My office is exposed to the elements.
14:36:15 <Ray_work> It's a hot day in Texas, let me tell Ya'll.
14:36:20 * ttuttle wonders how long it would take him to develop an entire simple OS in forth.
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14:37:03 <Ray_work> ttuttle: just implementing a forth that can read the disk and memory, pretty much most of an os.
14:37:18 <ttuttle> Ray_work: Disk is easy *if* you treat it as blocks rather than a filesystem.
14:37:31 <Ray_work> this is true.
14:37:46 <Amanita_Virosa> oooh i love bootable forths
14:37:51 <Amanita_Virosa> i wrote one
14:38:22 <Ray_work> Hi Amanita_Virosa. long time. what was your forth like?
14:38:59 <Amanita_Virosa> http://cyvos.com/
14:39:06 * Ray_work links
14:39:34 <Ray_work> yikes, takeing for ever to load.
14:39:44 <Ray_work> there it is. :)
14:39:56 <Amanita_Virosa> ya... low bandwidth server at the moment
14:40:20 <Ray_work> I see.
14:40:23 <Ray_work> still, cool.
14:40:48 <Ray_work> Oh yeah! I remember now.
14:41:03 <Ray_work> You turned me on to some music some time back.
14:41:07 <Amanita_Virosa> ah hehe
14:42:06 <Ray_work> Time to get my co-works to clean up the shop so that we can leave. See ya from home.
14:42:25 <ttuttle> Amanita_Virosa: I am intrigued by the Universal Interface concept in your OS.
14:43:19 <Ray_work> " Any universal interface that can be done with a 1000 buttons can be done with one less" :) heheh
14:43:54 <ttuttle> Ray_work: I want a graph that compares the number of regular keys, the number of modifier/shift keys, and the user's insanity.
14:44:23 <Ray_work> Faxing...
14:45:08 * Ray_work was watching a ChuckMoore movie and...
14:45:27 <Ray_work> It can be done with one button is the upshot. :) not very well mind u.
14:45:42 <ttuttle> Ray_work: Morse code ;-)
14:45:49 <Ray_work> hahaha
14:47:56 <Amanita_Virosa> universal interface?
14:48:07 <Amanita_Virosa> reading the wiki?
14:48:19 <ttuttle> Amanita_Virosa: Yes.
14:48:29 <Amanita_Virosa> hehe
14:48:33 <ttuttle> Amanita_Virosa: It sounds really cool.  I've thought about things like that but never bothered to try.
14:48:35 <Amanita_Virosa> ya... that wiki is a bit strange
14:49:07 <ttuttle> Amanita_Virosa: It's yours, isn't it?
14:49:15 <Amanita_Virosa> yes
14:49:21 <Amanita_Virosa> but i'm not the only person writing on the wiki
14:49:33 <Amanita_Virosa> i've got an os enthusiast who is *not* a developer who writes more than i do
14:50:20 <ttuttle> Amanita_Virosa: ;-)
14:51:41 <ttuttle> Amanita_Virosa: I see.
14:52:27 <ttuttle> Quartus: How do you handle memory management in large Forth apps where "objects" are created and destroyed throughout the execution of the program?
14:52:54 <Quartus> ttutle, why would that be any different in Forth than in any other language?
14:53:40 <ttuttle> Quartus: Because the normal Forth memory model (the USER pointer) doesn't allow you to deallocate chunks of memory without deallocating everything you allocated between then and now?
14:54:10 <ttuttle> Quartus: Do you just use a Forth-ish version of malloc and free?
14:54:11 <Quartus> Oh. You mean in a Forth that doesn't have ALLOCATE.
14:54:18 <ttuttle> Quartus: I guess.
14:54:24 <Quartus> I'd build ALLOCATE.
14:56:15 <ttuttle> Quartus: Ok.
14:57:51 <ttuttle> Quartus: Hmm, I could just translate the implementation of malloc and free in K&R to Forth ;-)
15:08:32 <Quartus> Standard Forths generally support ALLOCATE and FREE.
15:09:14 <ttuttle> Quartus: Hmm, is it true that /me actions are implemented using CTCP?
15:09:47 <ttuttle> Quartus: Did you get a message saying "ttuttle tests his theory."?
15:09:53 <Quartus> That'd be my guess, but I don't know.
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