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06:23:13 <snowrichard> hi
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06:43:12 <nighty__> hi
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09:12:47 <Hobart> : HI ." Allo." ;
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15:16:18 <thinkinginbinary> Quartus: hey
15:19:32 <crc> good evening
15:19:38 <slava> hi crc
15:19:46 <nighty_> crc: hi :)
15:20:15 <nighty_> crc: I really would like a select() in retro :)
15:20:28 <nighty_> crc: I think I will use this 
15:20:37 <nighty_> crc: instead of poll
15:20:49 <slava> if you're linux-specific use epoll
15:21:07 <nighty_> slava: I am not a penguin
15:21:41 <nighty_> slava: :)
15:21:49 <crc> nighty_: select is syscall 93
15:22:00 <crc> slava: nighty_ is a freebsd user
15:22:03 <nighty_> crc: :)
15:22:07 <slava> then use kqueue
15:22:13 <nighty_> slava: yeah rulez :)
15:22:20 <nighty_> slava: kqueue :)
15:22:30 <crc> kqueue is syscall 362
15:22:38 <nighty_> crc: thanks :)
15:23:45 <nighty_> crc: you have any interest in the socket.f I am making ? (once it is showable:))
15:24:15 <nighty_> crc: or is it not something people need ? 
15:26:07 <crc> nighty_: I would love to share it
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15:33:14 <nighty-> ouch 
15:33:20 <nighty-> sorry I lost most of your answers I think
15:33:26 <nighty-> if any
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15:38:42 <crc> nighty_: I would love to share it
15:39:35 <nighty-> crc: well If I give you my code , please don't laugh
15:39:51 <nighty-> crc: help me improve it 
15:40:03 <nighty-> crc: once i have finished
15:41:17 <nighty-> ok good night all :)
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19:02:04 <snowrichard> hi
19:02:16 <snowrichard> I printed out the dpans94 to read,
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20:45:59 <JasonWoof> I need a nap
20:50:33 <slava> hi JasonWoof 
21:08:24 <Raystm2> I just woke up from a nap.
21:12:16 <JasonWoof> hi slava :)
21:12:24 <JasonWoof> mmmmmm :) nap
21:12:45 <slava> JasonWoof: i removed lisp-style lists from factor
21:13:11 <JasonWoof> what do you mean by lisp-style?
21:13:20 <JasonWoof> guess I want an example
21:13:25 <slava> singly linked lists, cons to construct, car and cdr to access first/rest
21:13:31 <JasonWoof> ahh
21:13:46 <JasonWoof> you have more sophisticated lists right?
21:13:51 <slava> i just have arrays now
21:13:52 <slava> its simpler
21:13:57 <JasonWoof> ahh
21:14:03 <JasonWoof> but they can be resized right?
21:14:18 <slava> resizable arrays are called vectors
21:14:30 <slava> its less overhead to create a fixed-size one
21:14:37 <slava> mostly i use fixed size arrays
21:14:47 <JasonWoof> cool
21:14:53 <JasonWoof> but you have resizable ones too?
21:14:57 <slava> yes
21:15:14 <JasonWoof> cool stuff. sounds like a good choice.
21:16:37 <slava> having arrays are better for the GC than lots of nodes floating around
21:16:41 <slava> s/are/is
21:17:15 <JasonWoof> oh course fixed is quicker
21:17:24 <slava> but GC is far from the main overhead right now, I need to improve the compiler's removal of type checks
21:17:25 <JasonWoof> but it does not provide the same big-picture functionality as linked lists
21:17:33 <slava> well even a resizable array is easier on the GC -- its two objects
21:17:45 <slava> there is the 'head' which holds the underlying fixed size array, whcih gets doubled if needed, and a fill pointer
21:17:56 <slava> and this has good performance
21:18:39 <JasonWoof> mmmm.... bed
21:18:43 <slava> good night
21:18:51 <Raystm2> good night
21:19:20 <slava> Raystm2: have you ever used lisp?
21:24:55 <Raystm2> Hi, slava. Yes.
21:25:03 <Raystm2> and scheme.
21:25:35 <Raystm2> In fact, it's part of the reason I'm facinated by factor.
21:26:43 <slava> factor still has a lot in common with lisp. just not the lists
21:26:49 <slava> even factor's arrays are modelled on lisp arrays
21:28:12 <Raystm2> I've been experimenting with treating all of memory as an array, with colorforth.
21:28:55 <Raystm2> I realize this is a rediculous proposition, but in the colorforth perspective, there is not a lot going on anyway, so it's easy to handle memory this way.
21:30:31 <JasonWoof> huh?
21:30:42 <JasonWoof> how else can you handle memory besides as an array?
21:31:26 <slava> as an opaque pool of objects
21:31:49 <JasonWoof> slava: yeah, I know there are high level ways, but I don't think there are any other ways in colorforth
21:31:59 <slava> you can define your own words
21:32:18 <slava> a smalltalk in colorforth :)
21:32:21 <JasonWoof> ok, so I'm being inarticulate
21:32:39 <slava> colorforth itself offers nothing
21:32:44 <JasonWoof> I guess what I'm trying to get at is that the standard way of accessing memory in forth (! and @) is as an array
21:32:51 <slava> yup
21:37:18 <Raystm2> JasonWoof: herklog just gave up the ghost in #c4th
21:37:25 <Raystm2> But you prob'ly know this.
21:38:54 <slava> JasonWoof: when do we get a peek at your next-gen forth environment?
21:44:52 <JasonWoof> Raystm2: looks like it auto-reconnected :)
21:45:20 <Raystm2> yup. Well coded sir!
21:45:30 <JasonWoof> slava: whenever
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21:46:15 <Raystm2> hmm, I wonder if the camera server at work is what keeps knocking me off.
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21:46:21 <JasonWoof> lemme write down how to use the interface, then I'll make a tarball if you want
21:46:32 <slava> you should go to sleep :)
21:47:53 <JasonWoof> I'm in bed with my laptop =)
21:48:15 <JasonWoof> there isn't much interface functionality yet, so documenting it will be nice and quick
21:48:31 <Raystm2> Go! JasonWoof.
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23:28:53 <JasonWoof> slava: oops, I posted this in the wrong channel.
23:29:08 <JasonWoof> ok, give this a whirl:   http://jasonwoof.com/downloads/fovium-2006-05-18.tar.bz2
23:29:20 <JasonWoof> latest fovium with bleeding edge fronds image
23:29:27 <JasonWoof> and docs for both
23:29:33 <JasonWoof> please let me know if/how it works
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