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05:32:32 <PoppaVic> humph
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07:11:15 <PoppaVic> ok... Talk to me about a "stackframe" versus "variable/consts" or "locals" or "statics"
07:12:16 <PoppaVic> static/var/const take process-mem.
07:12:57 <PoppaVic> stackframe and locals don't, right? They persist for a "scope"?
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07:55:32 <Cheery> I love my rpn calculator
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07:58:22 <virl> you love your rpn calc?
07:58:34 <Amanita_Virosa> rpn is teh awesome.
08:00:09 <virl> it's so cool
08:40:28 <arke> hi
09:07:11 <virl> hi arke how are you?
09:21:33 <arke> doing alright
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10:29:42 <virl> when I finish a first version of pix, I'll write an article for dotquote
10:30:14 <Amanita_Virosa> i love my new forth, it's so twisted and perverse.
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10:31:48 <virl> Amanita_Virosa, I'm interested in it :-)
10:32:00 <virl> what does it do different?
10:33:11 <Amanita_Virosa> well, it's not a general-purpose forth, for one
10:33:14 <Amanita_Virosa> it's an assembler.
10:33:31 <Amanita_Virosa> the instruction emission functions are all provided in a forth dialect
10:33:36 <Amanita_Virosa> a very *odd* forth dialect
10:33:46 <virl> can I have a look at it?
10:34:00 <Amanita_Virosa> not sure how you'd go about that
10:34:13 <Amanita_Virosa> it's not really ready for release at the moment
10:34:17 <Amanita_Virosa> and it's part of a larger suite
10:37:02 <virl> a larger suite?
10:37:35 <Amanita_Virosa> yes
10:37:42 <Amanita_Virosa> it's part of a compiler toolchain
10:37:54 <Amanita_Virosa> in this case, it's a multiplatform assembler.
10:38:10 <virl> hmm..
10:38:31 <virl> how do you solve the problem of multiplatform assembler?
10:39:23 <Amanita_Virosa> the tool is multiplatform, not the source it assembles.
10:39:39 <Amanita_Virosa> it'll assemble the opcodes of any architecture you give it instruction tables for tho
10:40:32 <Amanita_Virosa> and the problem is solved by making the assembler itself turing-complete.
10:41:39 <virl> which commands do you have for the assembler?
10:44:07 <Amanita_Virosa> how do you mean, which commands?
10:47:07 <virl> how do you define such an instruction table for example? or how do you define sections and so on
10:48:02 <Amanita_Virosa> well there's standard .section directives
10:48:05 <Amanita_Virosa> for defining sections
10:48:10 <Amanita_Virosa> instruction tables are much more complex
10:50:56 <virl> in what did you write that assembler? I assume in assembler
10:51:02 <Amanita_Virosa> C.
10:51:09 <virl> oh, in C
10:51:26 <virl> so how did you implement the dictionary?
10:51:30 <Amanita_Virosa> it's a full-featured assembler that writes to relocatable binaries
10:51:42 <Amanita_Virosa> you're still trapped in the forth assembler paradigm.  this is inside-out.
10:51:54 <Amanita_Virosa> the forth is inside the assembler, not vice versa :P
10:52:25 <virl> eh?
10:52:43 <virl> the forth is inside the assembler??
10:52:46 <Amanita_Virosa> yep
10:52:59 <Amanita_Virosa> i started by writing the typical backend of an object-file-writing assembler
10:53:01 <virl> what does that mean?
10:53:15 <Amanita_Virosa> then i wrote a forth-like interpreted, 3-stack language
10:53:18 <Amanita_Virosa> that drives that backend
10:53:34 <Amanita_Virosa> and then glued a frontend onto that, which quite resembles the frontend of a typical assembler.
10:54:00 <virl> ok
10:54:16 <Amanita_Virosa> it's not a "normal" FORTH by any definition
10:54:33 <Amanita_Virosa> (neither is it a normal assembler, but it generates code successfully at this point)
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12:35:05 <arke> hi
13:06:44 <virl> ho
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23:25:19 <snowrichard> hello
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