00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.04.17 00:11:44 --- join: amca (n=plump@as-bri-4-1-190.ozonline.com.au) joined #forth 01:08:31 --- join: Ray_work (n=Raystm2@adsl-68-90-192-85.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 01:08:31 --- quit: Ray-work (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:52:36 --- quit: amca ("Farewell") 02:18:22 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 02:41:54 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-60-217.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 06:29:03 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-3pool158-91.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 07:14:55 --- join: timlarson_ (n=timlarso@65.116.199.19) joined #forth 07:16:17 hey PoppaVic, sorry for my emacs comment the other day...just a bit frustrated. 07:24:21 --- quit: Alterego (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09:44:24 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 09:45:56 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool46-173.nas30.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 10:16:18 --- quit: neceve ("Bye people, I'm leaving") 10:40:49 --- join: Alterego (n=Alterego@88.202.136.178) joined #forth 11:31:20 --- quit: Cheery (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:45:35 your emacs comment? 11:45:49 wha-huh? 11:49:21 wha-huh?? 11:53:35 I missed the emacs thing.. 12:04:33 --- join: Lars_G (n=lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) joined #forth 12:15:58 never mind then, water, duck's back. 12:17:22 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-172-236.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 12:17:22 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:17:47 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 12:43:32 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 13:15:12 how do you convert floating-point variable to integer in javascript? 13:20:24 --- part: Lars_G left #forth 13:27:56 --- quit: timlarson_ ("Leaving") 13:56:38 --- join: thinkinginbinary (n=tom@phoenix.thomastuttle.mooo.com) joined #forth 13:56:47 Bah, Quartus isn't here. 13:57:21 hi thinkinginbinary what's going on? 13:58:04 virl: Just hanging around, trying to figure what I'm going to do about this laptop. 13:58:25 virl: Have you heard the story yet? 13:59:07 I can't remember, so I guess I don't have. 14:00:54 virl: A few months ago, a friend's five-year-old kid climbed on to my bunk bed (I was in it). I got off for a second to pick something up and he knocked my notebook offf. (It's about five feet to the floor.) It landed on the corner, and the right corner of the hinge broke off the bottom half of the laptop. So opening or closing the screen puts strain on that corner, and also puts stress on the wiring going to the screen. 14:01:50 virl: The screen is starting to flicker a little. I can get a new shell for somewhere between $150-$250, but the company that I bought it from is closing their retail store (they'll still have a service center near me, but I don't want to get lost in the shuffle) and I don't know if they'd charge labor to replace it. So I need to get it fixed soon but I don't want to. 14:04:06 virl: I'm hoping to make this one (it's almost 2 years old) last until the end of next school year, so I can get a new one for college, but I have a feeling it's going to disintegrate before then. 14:04:36 what are people coding? 14:05:20 slava: Nothing, unfortunately. I've been to busy to get the electronics I need to assemble my lastest platform for a FORTH system. 14:20:57 virl: I'm also trying to keep myself from just buying a shiny new dual-core laptop, since they're so tempting. 14:26:18 hmm, if they get easily hot? 14:26:42 the mac book pros are nice 14:28:07 poor macs, that they now get shipped with shity cpus 14:36:34 what is now left from the whole design philosophy of apple? software? 14:46:43 virl: SHUT UP I have a Pentium M you insensitive clod! They're awesome! 14:46:53 virl: And yes, software and design are the important parts of Apple products. 14:47:04 virl: The processor is pretty unimportant. 14:47:21 virl: And trust me, Pentium M's are faster than G4's. 14:49:46 don't yell because of that! 14:50:47 virl: My cpu isn't shitty! 14:51:18 --- quit: thinkinginbinary ("leaving") 14:51:25 ok, then your cpu isn't shitty. 14:51:43 puh, well, ehm, very sensible. 14:55:29 well, I shouldn't say that x86 are disgusting. a new chip would be cool, but ok. 15:01:19 i find it easier to generate efficient x86 code than ppc code 15:03:55 in fact, every machine code except risc/misc code is disgusting. 15:07:09 i'd rather use xell than x86... however you don't have the market influence intel does yet 15:13:04 ehm? why would you rather use xell? 15:15:43 because I believe in the "I am so tough I can break stone wall with my head" philosophy of execution 15:33:45 --- join: xX[ReP]Xx (i=refugee@elvis.mu.org) joined #forth 15:33:48 do you think forth would be a good language to write webapps in? 15:48:30 on what OS? and cpu? 15:48:56 FreeBSD, opteron 15:49:20 gforth would be your best bet I think 15:49:38 well, i'm thinking of creating my own forth for webapps 15:50:03 cool 15:50:34 i basically need a language i can easily implement and control 15:50:47 yeah, I can understand that 15:51:07 and forth seems like it could be the one 16:01:54 slava, well, I think I like it more when you are attacking it. 16:03:18 Forth, yeah, which taste? lowlevel or highlevel? 16:03:29 xX[ReP]Xx, have you concidered a Lisp? Like Scheme? 16:03:52 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:04:02 Alterego not as easy to implement 16:04:14 xX[ReP]Xx, mabye not .. 16:04:17 lisp? for webapps? sry, but that hurts. 16:04:26 virl, liar :P 16:04:33 Lisp is really good for webapps. 16:04:45 Heck, any language is good if you like coding in it. 16:05:36 oh, really? ok, I don't have experiences with it. it's only a language which I don't like. perhaps in a couple of years I try it again. 16:05:41 i just need to do a proof of concept, so i think forth will be good enough for a start 16:05:55 if my idea works, i'll do with a more "serious" language 16:06:01 +it 16:06:24 what do you want to proof? 16:06:43 a website 16:06:56 a website? 16:07:23 Why don't you just use Ruby or something ^_^ 16:07:29 well, some people like crc wrote in forth a wiki. 16:07:58 my wiki is actually a hybrid, using php and forth 16:08:18 there is a pure forth wiki somewhere on forthfreak.net 16:08:25 my site will probably be a hybrid too 16:08:28 Alterego, why are you working against forth enthusiasm? ;-) 16:08:32 haskell and forth 16:09:24 http://fwiki.logilan.de/cgi/ is one; 16:09:26 haskell, I never found a compiler for it where I could say that it's a compiler and not simply a translator. 16:09:35 http://sk.nvg.org/forth/execmarkup/ is another 16:10:01 virl ghc 16:10:14 you can find it at http://haskell.org/ 16:10:47 darcs is compiled using ghc, I think 16:11:03 yep 16:11:09 Sorry, I'm not advocating against forth ^_^ 16:14:29 hmm, and I thought that ghc is only a haskell > C translator. 16:14:43 Better than nothing .. 16:14:51 no, it can compile to assembly too 16:15:11 for a few platforms, at least 16:15:48 How portable is the generated C code? 16:15:59 no idea 16:16:26 so it does simply a translation from haskell to C? ok, that's compilation but it's not as fine when you have a gcc package and compile a C program. 16:16:42 why not? 16:21:53 when you need todo the last phase of compilation on your own(=gcc/assembler the resulting file and then linking) then it's unconvenient, but I can't remember if that is true with the ghc. 16:24:33 write a shell script to wrap it all 16:26:18 ok, you could do that 16:29:07 ghc --make httpd.hs -o httpd 16:29:10 works perfectly 16:43:08 cool 16:43:23 * crc needs to take a look at haskell sometime 16:48:59 I prefer Scheme 16:49:02 ^_^ 16:49:38 --- join: GoHst10 (n=GoHst10@12-208-98-237.client.insightBB.com) joined #forth 17:08:57 --- part: thin left #forth 17:10:46 --- quit: GoHst10 (Remote closed the connection) 17:14:29 --- join: _crc (i=crc@pool-70-110-185-47.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 17:15:25 --- quit: crc (Nick collision from services.) 17:15:28 --- nick: _crc -> crc 17:15:36 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 17:39:24 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@ppp-70-248-33-83.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:47:25 --- join: thinkinginbinary (n=tom@phoenix.thomastuttle.mooo.com) joined #forth 17:58:33 --- part: thinkinginbinary left #forth 18:36:10 --- quit: uiuiuiu (Remote closed the connection) 18:36:15 --- join: uiuiuiu (i=ian@dslb-084-056-233-183.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 19:25:13 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-156-034.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 19:38:24 --- join: segher_ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-138-206.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 19:47:31 --- quit: segher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:47:35 --- part: brasshopper left #forth 21:26:34 virl: that truly sounds like it could be xell on earth... 23:17:28 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-156-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 23:29:39 --- quit: segher_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.04.17