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04:08:11 <ecraven> hey all
04:09:06 <ecraven> today my professor argued that stack machines are *not* faster on procedure calls (because they don't have to save any registers), but rather they are *faster* because they allow for optimisations like common-subexpression-elimination...
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06:55:11 <ecraven> greetings
07:01:31 <PoppaVic> howdy
07:08:48 <crc> slava: the current version of the gtk+ bindings supports multiple windows
07:27:51 <PoppaVic> man... I just do not "get" exception-handling.
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07:48:26 <slava> PoppaVic: exception handling reduces duplication and fragility of error handling code
07:49:06 <PoppaVic> That's nice, and it still sounds like a cross between setjmp+ and dos-like interrupt-stealing
07:49:26 <PoppaVic> I can definitely understand reducing duplication, though
07:50:10 <PoppaVic> slava: doesn't it do exactly as I've described?
08:03:25 <virl> exception handling, well most they shut down the program and produce an error, or something like that. Perhaps a file open error could be one of the few cases where they don't shut down the program.
08:03:58 <PoppaVic> yeah, I still think they seem a lot like I described above
08:05:58 <slava> virl: only if the exception is not handled by the program
08:06:16 <slava> PoppaVic: yes its the "same" but part of the language
08:06:43 <PoppaVic> ok, I thought so.. All they do is try to integrate those - and even return-handling, I presume.
08:07:40 <slava> bbl
08:07:49 <PoppaVic> ok, thanks slava
08:42:34 <virl> well, in Java they produce an unhealthy overhead
08:42:52 <PoppaVic> exceptions? I believe it
08:43:25 <PoppaVic> I'm trying to codify a slew of shit, generically and then basics, and then folks can go ape.
08:53:39 <PoppaVic> typedef enum { member, method, event, exception, contexts } Behaviors;
08:55:12 <JasonWoof> anybody know how you get smbclient to resolve "host names"?
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09:01:20 <PoppaVic> hi, tathi: "generic" can be a real PITA ;-)
09:01:44 <tathi> so I keep claiming :)
09:02:07 <PoppaVic> interesting, however.. There must be lower and lower subsets.
09:02:40 <tathi> well...actually, I think generic is good, just that you should start with something specific and abstract it as necessary
09:02:53 <tathi> subsets of what?
09:03:17 <PoppaVic> here's the lowest I've been: typedef enum { member, method, event, exception, CONTEXTS } Behaviors;
09:04:28 <tathi> what's that supposed to be?
09:04:58 <PoppaVic> I've decided to tinker with the idea of "Objects" and a baseline, and extensibility.
09:05:23 <tathi> oh
09:05:57 <PoppaVic> I was getting too many structs with special fields/members, and realized the CORE should be pretty mindless.
09:06:48 <PoppaVic> Otherwise, too many "assumptions" get seen as written by the finger of God.
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12:02:48 <Ray_work> forthians UNITE!
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14:58:37 <JasonWoof> tathi: well done on the easy mode for vor :)
14:58:43 <JasonWoof> now I want hard mode :)
15:02:08 <JasonWoof> hmm... weird thing happens if you die your last death with the right thrustor on...
15:02:59 <tathi> JasonWoof: yeah, got one new positive comment on happypenguin :)
15:04:02 <JasonWoof> cool :)
15:04:29 <JasonWoof> I wonder if we loose anybody because they need povray
15:04:31 <tathi> I'm not seeing weird things particularly...
15:04:42 <tathi> doubt it -- I put the graphics in the tarball
15:04:49 <JasonWoof> the n button that I use to go right
15:04:52 <JasonWoof> also starts a new game
15:04:58 <tathi> oh crud
15:05:10 <JasonWoof> you probably use the arrow keys
15:05:17 <JasonWoof> oh, ok
15:05:28 <JasonWoof> I didn't know you put the graphics in
15:06:49 <tathi> so...is the normal game too easy now?
15:07:29 <JasonWoof> I didn't notice any difference
15:07:39 <JasonWoof> just sometimes my attention span is even shorter than usual
15:07:57 <JasonWoof> and I want it to be really hard right away without trying to go unreasonably fast
15:08:35 <JasonWoof> we should probably lable the two difficulties we have now "normal" and "hard"
15:09:27 <tathi> that's possible
15:09:44 <tathi> I thought "easy" was pretty easy, but I've also been playing this for quite a while :)
15:09:59 <JasonWoof> I felt like I couldn't be a judge of that
15:10:07 <JasonWoof> I stuck it on easy and stared at it for a while
15:11:12 <tathi> Well, it was easy enough that I can play it indefinitely
15:11:26 <tathi> until I get bored and start bouncing rocks around to make it more interesting, that is :)
15:12:50 <tathi> anyway, feel free to turn up the initial rocks count in svn if you want it harder earlier.
15:17:46 <JasonWoof> how long does it take to hit maxrocks?
15:18:12 <tathi> 2 minutes, IIRC
15:18:38 <JasonWoof> ok
15:18:44 <JasonWoof> now it all makes sense
15:18:59 <JasonWoof> I set it to start at 35 instead of that being the max
15:19:04 <JasonWoof> and I was staying alive quite a bit
15:19:13 <JasonWoof> I was suprised because I thought it was 5 minutes
15:19:20 <JasonWoof> so I was expecting to die very quick
15:19:25 <tathi> heh. I think you're better than me.
15:19:42 <tathi> either that, or I'm still just obsessed with blasting the rocks around ;)
15:22:45 <JasonWoof> heh
15:22:49 <JasonWoof> I didn't play seriously
15:22:58 <JasonWoof> I've started braking 3 minutes occationally
15:23:48 <JasonWoof> not too often... only 5 in the high score list
15:24:19 <JasonWoof> I can't seem to focus on the game right now
15:24:30 <tathi> me neither
15:24:44 <tathi> oh, did you look at Primate Plunge?
15:24:50 <JasonWoof> did I tell you I implemented go-to-def and go-back in Fronds?
15:24:55 <JasonWoof> oh, forgot about that
15:25:03 <tathi> it's not all that great
15:25:09 <tathi> no, cool :)
15:25:54 <tathi> er...you said something about working on the history, but that you didn't have any movement yet
15:26:32 <JasonWoof> ebuild :)
15:26:46 <JasonWoof> history works
15:26:51 <JasonWoof> it crops it at 98 chars
15:26:55 <JasonWoof> so it fits on a line
15:27:00 <JasonWoof> not sure why I didn't do 99
15:27:17 <JasonWoof> the display is 100 wide, but I'm not sure cr works the way I want it to if you're at the end
15:27:45 <tathi> ah
15:29:49 <JasonWoof> history turned out to be really easy and fun
15:34:29 <tathi> I like when that happens
15:34:45 <crc> hi everyone
15:35:18 <tathi> hi crc
15:35:22 <JasonWoof> grrr
15:35:29 <JasonWoof> hate it when games won't run without sound
15:35:49 <JasonWoof> even when you turn the sound off, they still won't run unless they can open /dev/dsp
15:36:13 <tathi> yeah. I hadn't even built sound modules for this kernel yet.
15:37:24 <JasonWoof> so silly
15:37:27 <JasonWoof> should just do:
15:37:54 <JasonWoof> if(!dsp = fopen("/dev/dsp")) { prefs.sound = 0; prefs.music = 0; }
15:38:46 <tathi> better yet, SDL-mixer should just handle it and silently ignore everything if it can't get sound :)
15:40:04 <JasonWoof> yep :)
15:41:38 <JasonWoof> wow, this jelly jar says "produced without boiling"
15:41:41 <JasonWoof> how special ;)
15:41:42 <JasonWoof> hehe
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15:54:09 <JasonWoof> hmm... now I need to decide how I want to do the keybindings
15:54:19 <JasonWoof> how should you activate the seach modes?
15:54:36 <JasonWoof> I want find-next find-prev find-def
16:17:01 <JasonWoof> find-def is very close :)
17:16:26 <slava> virl: exceptions don't have any performance penalty
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18:13:41 <snowrichard> hi
18:13:47 <Raystm2> hi
18:13:59 <snowrichard> Jason -- is fovium yours?
18:18:16 <snowrichard> tried to compile it.  got rid of warnings and some errors by including stdlib.h and installing SDL-devel.  but two errors remain incrementing bA
18:18:24 <Raystm2> yes ( incase he doesn't answer).
18:19:39 <snowrichard> invalid lvalue in increment
18:26:32 <snowrichard> what's the url for the pastebin? I'll put it up there
18:29:18 <snowrichard> warning on 250, error on 355, 358, fovium.c
18:34:21 <snowrichard> so how are you Raystm2? 
18:37:48 <Raystm2> Hi snowrichard. I'm fine. Watching Goodfellows and playing twelvestring. 
18:38:08 <Raystm2> and chatting with forthers.
18:38:17 <snowrichard> guitar is nice.  I'm not coordinated enough to learn to play it
18:38:47 <Raystm2> ohh no, any one can do it.
18:40:22 <Raystm2> you could return the tuning of it back to something like the way it was before some 18th century guitarist developed this tuning. Then with one finger, you could chord all of the chords in a particular key, just by sliding that one finger up and down the neck. 
18:40:26 <Raystm2> anybody can do that.
18:40:47 <snowrichard> phone
18:41:21 * Raystm2 acts like he's on hold.... du ti du ti du....
18:41:40 * Raystm2 plays his own 'on-hold-Musak'
19:13:10 <snowrichard> she's longwinded 
19:14:20 <snowrichard> it's always the same 30 seconds of bad midi music repeated over and over
19:16:52 <snowrichard> then "thank you for your patience.  All calls are answered in the order recieved.  Please do not hang up, as this will only delay your call".
19:23:38 <Raystm2> I dislike that immensly, but what are ya gonna do.
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21:47:01 <JasonWoof> snowrichard: fovium is created and maintained by Josh and I respectively
21:47:21 <JasonWoof> oop, tathi=Josh
21:47:39 <JasonWoof> I understand he has very recently fixed the problem you are having
21:48:01 <JasonWoof> perhaps it hasn't hit a tarball release yet. Do you have svn?
21:48:34 <JasonWoof> if you do snag fovium that way while tathi's online (it's hosted on his home machine which is off when he's not using it)
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23:12:33 <ecraven> morning
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