00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.03.13 00:01:40 --- join: ecraven (n=nex@193.171.46.9) joined #forth 00:01:42 morning :) 00:20:00 hello :) 00:20:04 late night here 00:23:10 JasonWoof: Where do you live? 00:29:39 --- join: amca_ (n=plump@as-bri-3-22.ozonline.com.au) joined #forth 00:30:46 --- quit: amca (Nick collision from services.) 00:30:51 --- nick: amca_ -> amca 00:31:24 Ooops. Forgot my dialup time was coming up 00:31:34 JasonWoof: Did you happen to answer my Q? 00:31:47 no :) 00:38:47 heh 00:38:49 tnx 00:38:57 np :) 00:39:10 :) 01:04:40 yeah, sorry 01:04:49 trying to get the last of my important stuff done before bed 01:04:55 I live in MA, USA 01:05:29 --- quit: ecraven ("bbl") 01:06:09 Ah 01:06:20 thanks :) 01:06:38 now it's really late 01:06:45 --- quit: JasonWoof ("off to bed") 03:15:12 --- quit: amca ("d34d") 05:44:21 --- log: started forth/06.03.13 05:44:21 --- join: clog (n=nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 05:44:21 --- topic: 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language, simplicity, and a variety of technical subjects. The rules are simple: don't spam, don't troll, and please speak English.' 05:44:21 --- topic: set by Quartus on [Sat Jan 21 17:32:55 2006] 05:44:21 --- names: list (clog slava OrngeTide arke oxygene Raystm2 madwork warpzero Snoopy42 uiuiuiu madgarden ccfg Jim7J1AJH Zymurgy saon Cheery PoppaVic virl @crc) 05:48:15 hmm 05:50:09 --- join: ravenEx (i=ravenEx@VPN-239-121.aichyna.com) joined #forth 05:53:21 I just realized that there is a 4th alternative to stack-managing.. Damn. 06:03:38 --- quit: ravenEx (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:09:27 --- join: ravenEx (i=ravenEx@VPN-239-121.aichyna.com) joined #forth 06:38:56 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 06:41:55 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-3pool157-26.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 07:09:11 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 07:13:45 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool75-69.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 07:25:26 --- join: venandocarvarow (n=venandoc@h062040252011.plc.cm.kabsi.at) joined #forth 07:30:12 --- part: venandocarvarow left #forth 07:34:31 --- join: Teratogen (i=leontopo@intertwingled.net) joined #forth 07:44:31 --- quit: Teratogen (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:01:00 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 08:49:05 --- quit: ravenEx (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 09:42:13 --- join: Amanita_Virosa (n=jenni@ppp-70-248-225-168.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 09:52:05 boring... 10:22:39 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@pdpc/supporter/student/Herkamire) joined #forth 10:22:39 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 10:40:35 --- join: Lars_G (n=lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) joined #forth 10:48:09 --- join: ravenEx (i=ravenEx@VPN-239-121.aichyna.com) joined #forth 12:29:03 --- quit: Amanita_Virosa ("Wewps.") 12:42:40 --- part: Lars_G left #forth 13:21:33 --- quit: ravenEx (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:40:49 --- quit: Cheery (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:52:19 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 14:54:26 --- quit: snowrichard (Client Quit) 15:14:21 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-139-240.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 15:19:31 --- quit: uiuiuiu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:22:44 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 15:22:53 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 15:24:26 --- join: uiuiuiu (i=ian@dslb-084-056-239-089.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 15:34:44 --- join: Lars_G (n=lars@unaffiliated/lars-g/x-000001) joined #forth 16:00:30 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:08:07 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-146-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 16:11:50 --- part: Lars_G left #forth 16:20:29 --- join: Amanita_Virosa (n=jenni@ppp-70-248-225-168.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 16:26:16 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-131-059.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 16:26:55 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Nick collision from services.) 16:27:29 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 16:44:09 --- quit: Amanita_Virosa ("Wewps.") 16:47:26 --- join: amca (n=plump@as-bri-3-106.ozonline.com.au) joined #forth 16:58:46 --- quit: amca ("d34d") 17:35:07 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=chatzill@sub22-119.member.dsl-only.net) joined #forth 17:35:14 hi 17:36:41 hi 17:37:40 how are you? 17:40:02 I'm trying to figure out why some CSS works in Explorer but not in Firefox 17:40:11 I'm tired :( 17:40:23 debugging a vga driver 17:40:23 well there is always sleep 17:42:08 I did get create a cool rollover button though by combining CSS and JS. It is an animating rollover from only two gifs, one of which is an animated gif 17:42:45 the text underneith not being part of the gifs 17:44:11 Wasn't sure it was possiable until I did it 17:44:46 What I really want to ask people at large is if there isn't a TOME or THE BOOK to get if you want to learn the hell out of CSS 17:45:06 --- join: sproingie (n=chuck@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 17:45:10 I mean overlearn it so that you become the ultimate master of CSS 17:45:27 such that Starting Forth is THE BOOK to get for learning Forth, per se 17:46:10 and Programming Windows 95 by Petzold it THE BOOK to get for learning windows programming? 17:47:15 maybe Woof would know??? 18:00:03 starting forth is free online. and i actually didn't think it was very good 18:01:22 I liked it alot 18:01:30 I know it is online 18:03:26 thinking forth is pretty decent 18:05:11 I love Forth 18:05:30 honestly, I'm not programming professionally. Main reason, they won't let me use Forth 18:06:01 actually, I'm not even sure that I have the mental bandwidth to do any modern programming, 80s programming maybe 18:06:43 making your hobby your job usually sucks 18:06:52 makes you a one-dimensional person for one thing 18:07:05 i say that as a one-dimensional person 18:07:19 :^) 18:08:24 i like to look at easy cs theory stuff that's nearly mainstream. less math to deal with but still feels bleeding edge 18:08:31 type inference, pi calculus, etc 18:08:47 I don't even know what alot of that stuff is 18:09:02 never manage to get anything done tho, at the end of it all the thing i most use my computer for is playing games 18:09:34 ok 18:36:05 got it 18:44:03 --- quit: sproingie (Remote closed the connection) 18:45:07 --- join: sproingie (n=chuck@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 18:45:08 --- quit: sproingie (Remote closed the connection) 18:46:50 So, what about the MUD? 18:47:26 the mud server is on hold, while thin works out the code needed to handle multiple connections 18:48:43 how is the MUD better that a MUCK? 18:48:59 muck? 18:49:01 { { { 1 } { 2 } { 3 } } { { 1 2 } { 1 2 } { 1 3 } } } homology. 18:49:01 0-dimensional holes: 1 18:49:01 1-dimensional holes: 0 18:50:14 i wrote a program which computes connectivity of simplicial complexes 18:50:41 MUCK OLD-TEXT-BAISED-MUL.TI-USER-ADVENTURE-PROGRAMED IN FORTH = .-1 18:50:58 MUCK OLD-TEXT-BAISED-MULTI-USER-ADVENTURE-PROGRAMED IN FORTH = . -1 19:03:21 --- join: sproingie (n=chuck@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 19:08:44 when will we be forced to move to ##forth ? 19:08:57 * crc has no idea 19:09:54 I440r is kind of pissed about it. (he moved to efnet) 19:10:29 i like MUQs better than MUCKs :) 19:13:10 what is this about ##forth? 19:13:56 someone actually runs a muq? 19:14:11 i didn't think cynbe got it anywhere near usable 19:15:56 --- quit: virl ("Verlassend") 19:16:54 sproingie, i suspect we're talking about two different MUQs :) 19:17:33 I've got these huge animated CSS/JS buttons, but the text is not centered. 19:17:53 the one I played with was based on TinyMuck 19:18:06 well i gotta go. 19:19:27 bye 19:25:50 the muq i'm thinking of was an overengineered train wreck 19:26:45 it could run muf, and other things. had some good ideas, but it was all kind of half baked 19:27:39 Why don't you just install a plain old MUQ or MUCK or whatever? 19:28:07 meh. muds are dead. 19:46:41 I thought the CSS spec was a perfectly good way to learn CSS 19:55:48 Ok, I'll just look for that. 19:56:05 I get confused by just reading other peoples pages sometimes 19:56:06 w3c.org 19:56:15 makes sense 19:58:01 I know that there is something missing my my noodle about that 20:05:12 --- quit: Zymurgy ("leaving") 20:07:05 is there something similar to top, but which shows disc usage? 20:10:46 --- part: slava left #forth 20:14:56 --- join: Zymurgy (i=zymurgy@cat.delfax.net) joined #forth 20:45:24 Oh, there is something else that I wanted to ask 20:45:47 especially for any website developers out there 20:45:54 how do you find work? 20:46:20 I've been advertising on ebay, which has worked for about a year, but I'm not having any luck this month 20:48:46 --- join: airbrush (i=airbrush@216-237-213-57-access-r12-ad.northstate.net) joined #forth 20:57:27 I tell everyone I know, and put flyers up downtown 20:57:49 and every once in a great while I make an announcement at a popular local community dance 20:58:19 I seem to get a new client every month or two 20:58:29 well, a new website client 20:59:03 my fliers are for both Odd Jobs and Websites 21:08:27 I've been comming in at the low end, but then again, my skills need improving. 21:08:48 I've been doing static pages, and installing and customizing scripts such as OSCommerce 21:09:51 How big is your town. We have flyer boards, but they are only for concerts and events. Even the local box store is like that around here 21:12:17 135K 21:12:45 getting charged back for work that I already did sucks 21:14:52 about 29 thousand people in 2000 21:15:22 heh, I've only been payed by credit card once 21:16:05 didn't like it much because paypal charged me about $6.50 21:17:03 Today I've been making a few pages on my site for people to use to pay online. If they choose credit card it calculates the fees and charges them to the client. 21:17:35 Going from bad to WORSE 21:17:42 eh? 21:18:01 I just checked out my new hosting, from sheildhost, that I got a few weeks ago, now it looks like my account was kicked for some reason 21:18:10 I need to call them 21:18:22 do you have questionable content? 21:18:27 after spending all night moving my old site to my new sitee 21:18:31 NO 21:18:52 maybe they got mad that I went over my storage limit, it was only going to be for a few weeks ( I hope ) 21:19:06 I do web hosting, we could discuss it privately if you are interested. 21:19:21 And the Chargeback, I had all of the evidence to back up my claim on there 21:19:25 No!!!!!!!!!!!!111 21:26:25 --- quit: sproingie ("Konversation terminated!") 21:47:54 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 22:30:35 --- quit: LOOP-HOG ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041217]") 23:02:22 --- join: I440r (n=foo@cpe-67-11-173-9.satx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 23:02:34 damn no tathi 23:03:00 btw ive abandoned this network becuase lilo is an anally retentive...... 23:03:01 bleh 23:03:17 tell tathi irc.prison.net #forth plz 23:03:28 --- quit: I440r (Client Quit) 23:16:26 --- quit: Cheery ("Leaving") 23:41:33 --- part: airbrush left #forth 23:41:43 --- quit: ccfg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.03.13