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05:50:13 <OrngeTide> arke, sun is shipping with 6 and 8 core T1s. 8 cores * 32 threads == 256 threads.
05:50:40 <OrngeTide> it's not anything like chuck's idea though. each core has 3MB of cache. they are big cores
06:17:11 <arke> Ah.
06:58:20 <venandocarvarow> does anyone know about a forth for the dreamcast vmu?
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07:52:49 <venandocarvarow> virl: still there?
07:54:16 <virl> yes I'm here
07:54:56 <venandocarvarow> virl: are you from vienna?#
07:55:25 <virl> yes, I am.
07:55:38 <venandocarvarow> are you fluent in forth?
07:58:16 <virl> how do you define fluent? I did a couple of months nothing in it, so I'm currently relearning some parts of it, but I can write programs with it.
07:59:21 <venandocarvarow> writing your own forth for cpuxyz
07:59:31 <tathi> bah, that doesn't require fluency
07:59:41 <venandocarvarow> hehe tathi
07:59:54 <Raystm2> :)
07:59:57 <tathi> there are at least a couple articles out there describing how to write your own forth
08:00:05 <venandocarvarow> tathi: i cannot write doing it the way the c4th guys do
08:00:07 <tathi> heck, you could even just follow the ANS spec
08:00:07 <venandocarvarow> :-)
08:00:13 <tathi> heh
08:00:41 * tathi can't understand how c4th people manage to do anything at all
08:01:04 <Raystm2> venandocarvarow just takes some time to understand. I'm trying to alieviate the documentation problem with colorforth.info as we speak. :)_
08:01:27 * Raystm2 adding stuff about the keyboards now.
08:01:28 <Quartus> It's entirely possible to implement Forth (perhaps not terribly well) and yet have no appreciable ability to write Forth.
08:01:34 <venandocarvarow> okay, fluent in forth would be then: writing your own control structures?
08:01:39 <Raystm2> hey Quartus :)
08:01:45 <Quartus> Hey.
08:01:55 <Quartus> 'Fluent in Forth' means able to fluently write programs in Forth.
08:02:12 <venandocarvarow> ray: virl is from vienna. so that'S why i am asking that stupid
08:02:36 <venandocarvarow> ya know, me too
08:02:38 <Raystm2> you go right ahead venandocarvarow, I'm famous for my stupid questions :)
08:03:00 <Raystm2> ah does this switch turn on the computer? hehe 
08:03:17 <venandocarvarow> in the netherlands there is a wonderful small group of forth enthousiasts, austria lacks that kind of FUG
08:03:27 <Raystm2> Where does the coffee come out? hehe
08:03:56 <virl> a FUG oh, it would be nice to have something.
08:04:13 <Raystm2> Yes, I've been looking for a FUG for a while. 
08:04:19 <Raystm2> Not much in North Texas.
08:04:20 <Quartus> This is one, right here.
08:04:25 <Raystm2> si
08:04:26 <Raystm2> is
08:04:47 <virl> hmm, venandocarvarow a FUG could be found in the borders of the metalab.
08:04:52 <Quartus> Or do you need to absorb the questionable body odours of other programmers to feel it's really happening? :)
08:05:16 <tathi> probably
08:05:17 * Raystm2 is looking forward to going to FUG U the forth users group Univercity, and also what forth programmers say when they are too busy to help :)
08:05:43 <tathi> fug: n. (British informal) an airless smoky smelly atmosphere
08:05:51 <Raystm2> Hahaha
08:06:17 <Raystm2> My bedroom is a Fug.
08:06:25 <venandocarvarow> virl: just reading about metalab
08:06:26 * Raystm2 starts to do someting about this.
08:06:45 * Raystm2 lights a ciggy.
08:09:17 <virl> venandocarvarow, I did for this project three logos, but till now I have never been to a meeting yet.
08:10:02 * Raystm2 opens a window.
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08:10:40 <venandocarvarow> virl: i understand you: the site is a sort of blabla site
08:11:00 <venandocarvarow> meta-disziplinäre magier
08:11:06 <venandocarvarow> the man who wrote this must be killed
08:11:31 <venandocarvarow> i wouldn'T want to go there too
08:12:15 <virl> lol
08:16:19 <virl> I meant that I had no time to go to a meeting, interesting reaction from your side :-) well, my english seems to be very bad in normal speaking situations and I have a B mark in english, crazy. :-)
08:17:07 <venandocarvarow> virl: the only magic on the site is the spirit surrounding a citations database user. "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistiguishable from magic" arhtur c blablabla
08:17:46 <venandocarvarow> so this an example of bad english, not oyurs virl
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08:20:08 <venandocarvarow> virl: i am really sad that there isn't an english translation of the metalab OS site for my c4th friends. it really illustrates best the superficallity and stupidity of the normal austrian
08:20:36 <Raystm2> hahahaha
08:20:38 <Raystm2> lol
08:23:31 <virl> oh, the metalab OS, I tried to push it to get implemented in forth, but they like to use 'higherlevel' languages to produce it.
08:24:37 <venandocarvarow> :-)
08:25:00 <Raystm2> hmm /me wonders what language could possibly be "higher level" then forth?
08:25:12 <Raystm2> forth 2.0?
08:25:21 <venandocarvarow> hehe
08:25:25 <virl> and it seems that I'm the only one on the metalab website who is interested in forth.
08:25:56 <venandocarvarow> metalab is a dead end before it even started
08:26:06 <venandocarvarow> look at the site, the text
08:26:16 <venandocarvarow> i am happy that there aren'T any photos of the people
08:26:32 <venandocarvarow> i can imagine how they look like
08:26:59 <virl> when you go to the users section you will see that there are photos of the people.
08:29:06 <Raystm2> is colorForth forth 2.0?
08:29:33 <virl> venandocarvarow, you could be right with your prophecy that the metalab is a dead end, because some people who come from a club which IS a dead end work on it.
08:30:08 <virl> Raystm2, hmm could be retroforth forth 2.0?
08:30:28 <venandocarvarow> virl: so they look like
08:30:44 <Raystm2> virl excellent point.
08:30:46 <venandocarvarow> virl: but besides that, it is typically austrian, in that the most stupid are always top
08:31:09 <venandocarvarow> on top in the hierarchy
08:31:26 <venandocarvarow> and nothing can be done without this silly hierarchy
08:31:35 <venandocarvarow> the have "HELFER"
08:34:07 <virl> you had bad experiences with such people, hadn't you?
08:34:39 <venandocarvarow> of course, every time i didn't kill them
08:35:06 <venandocarvarow> instantly
08:35:09 <venandocarvarow> :-)
08:35:12 <venandocarvarow> no
08:35:36 <venandocarvarow> i wouldn't look for such people, in that you are right perhaps
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08:37:54 <virl> well, silly hierarchy is normal, I never saw an hierarchy which wasn't.
08:39:26 <venandocarvarow> what do you want to organize?
08:39:39 <venandocarvarow> there's no point in their doing at all
08:39:43 <venandocarvarow> it lacks a subject
08:40:04 <virl> which subject would you choose?
08:40:07 <venandocarvarow> no form without a subject
08:40:28 <venandocarvarow> subject is the abstract idea 
08:41:23 <venandocarvarow> i am only against hierarchy without competency.
08:42:33 <virl> well, then they defined it, metalabs subject is a meeting place for geeks who want to build something
08:42:52 <venandocarvarow> and for what do they need helper
08:42:54 <venandocarvarow> ???
08:43:09 <venandocarvarow> the "helper position"
08:43:17 <venandocarvarow> never heard of it before
08:43:20 <venandocarvarow> helping in what
08:43:42 <venandocarvarow> why does one need to be called a helper if he helps 3 more stupid people managing a website for example
08:43:49 <venandocarvarow> there's no point in it
08:43:52 <venandocarvarow> sorry
08:43:55 <venandocarvarow> look at the pics
08:43:58 <venandocarvarow> awfully
08:44:42 <virl> which pics? from the homepage?
08:44:53 <venandocarvarow> yes
08:46:03 <virl> well, that are pics from the cbase, because ther isn't a metalab room yet. they are currently looking for one.
08:46:23 <venandocarvarow> look for the people
08:46:56 <venandocarvarow> team verein
08:47:21 <venandocarvarow> paul böhm
08:47:50 <venandocarvarow> i mein , schau wie der ausschaut, sollt i jetzt wenn i a frau waer feucht sein muessen auf ihn????? ein volldillo
08:48:01 <venandocarvarow> sorry for the germn
08:48:04 <venandocarvarow> words
08:48:10 <venandocarvarow> they are untranslataböe
08:49:14 <virl> rolling on the floor laughing
08:50:35 <virl> I never viewed the photos of the people from that side, well interesting perspective venandocarvarow :-)
08:52:27 <virl> but paul boehm photos are harmless compared to cliffords photos.
08:54:56 <Raystm2> all right, all right , you've peeked my interest, url please?
08:56:27 <virl> clifford is in austria that what the CCC is in germany. he moderates a radio show and impresses people with his projects.
08:56:37 <virl> Raystm2, which url?
08:57:00 <Raystm2> url for what ever you are laughing at. :)
08:57:10 * Raystm2 could use a lol.
08:57:16 <venandocarvarow> virl: of course i've seen it before... but... but i am deeply sorry for this guy. 
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08:57:31 <venandocarvarow> forth could help him perhaps
08:57:33 <venandocarvarow> *g*
08:57:58 <virl> Raystm2, well this is for cliffords photos: http://metalab.at/wiki/Benutzer:Clifford and this is for paul boehm: http://metalab.at/wiki/Benutzer:Enki
08:58:03 <venandocarvarow> the humanistic aspects of forth
08:58:07 <venandocarvarow> hehe
08:58:19 <virl> keep it simple..
09:00:58 <venandocarvarow> ray: you've never seen such beautiful people before, right?
09:00:59 <virl> venandocarvarow, I can say out of my experiences with him that he is an asshole. so how could help an asshole forth? being simple in being an asshole?
09:01:14 <venandocarvarow> virl: you can't help him
09:01:16 <arke> virl: who?
09:01:26 <venandocarvarow> he's dead
09:01:37 <venandocarvarow> mentally totally absorbed from(with) shit
09:01:47 <venandocarvarow> that'S sad
09:01:50 <venandocarvarow> of course
09:02:34 <venandocarvarow> it took me years finding a way living with this sadly fact
09:02:55 <virl> and he is currently the one who plans every meeting of the metalab 'crew'
09:04:19 <venandocarvarow> virl: you must be a masochist, what do you want from them.???? a tongue kiss
09:04:20 <venandocarvarow> hehe
09:04:25 <venandocarvarow> you must ask yourself
09:04:34 <virl> you met him didn't you?
09:04:37 <venandocarvarow> no
09:04:44 <venandocarvarow> i don't know them at all
09:04:51 <venandocarvarow> but the people are like them
09:05:02 <venandocarvarow> i studies for time at the techn univ. in vienna
09:05:07 <venandocarvarow> studied
09:05:21 <venandocarvarow> and then i had to leave for holland
09:05:29 <venandocarvarow> because i couldn't stand them any longer
09:05:39 <venandocarvarow> they are all like that at the techn. univ.
09:07:21 <virl> oh, that's shit.
09:07:33 <venandocarvarow> why, i don't care
09:07:38 <venandocarvarow> people are stupid
09:07:41 <venandocarvarow> everywhere
09:07:46 <venandocarvarow> even in the netherlands
09:09:08 <virl> netherlands = a land where drugs are like cookies, can be get at every shop.
09:09:24 <virl> ;-)
09:12:56 <virl> venandocarvarow, I only want a fucking reallife meetplace for computer interested people at the moment it seems that this could be the metalab, but when I see another choice I'll take it.
09:14:30 <venandocarvarow> do what you have to do:-)
09:15:36 <virl> we discussed it already, there isn't something like a FUG here or a game development interested group. it's like living in a desert.
09:16:31 <venandocarvarow> but those people cannot help you at all
09:16:45 <venandocarvarow> like game programming
09:17:07 <venandocarvarow> have you ever heard of geometric algebra, grassmann spaces, etc.?? that's the future
09:17:21 <venandocarvarow> you don't learn this at austrian universities
09:17:28 <venandocarvarow> futire in 3d programming
09:17:38 <venandocarvarow> how should they know
09:17:57 <venandocarvarow> they are only intereseted in fucking people, they are primitive
09:18:00 <venandocarvarow> look at the pics
09:18:18 <venandocarvarow> but do what you want.
09:19:01 <venandocarvarow> i found it interesting that many things came in my mind which i thought wouldn't bother me any longer. the last time i had to do with such people is appr. 10 years ago
09:19:06 <venandocarvarow> nothing changed
09:19:12 <venandocarvarow> everything got worse
09:19:57 <virl> which things do you mean?
09:20:02 <venandocarvarow> good night folks - the time will hopefully come where osama bin laden blows us in the air. it will be better for mankind
09:20:38 <venandocarvarow> virl: till tomorrow
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09:22:14 <Quartus> Good grief.
09:23:34 <Raystm2> hmm: is that comedy or tragedy?
09:25:00 <nballen> lol
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09:25:12 <nballen> that was a hell of a conversation
09:25:19 <nballen> sorry for eavesdropping
09:25:26 <nballen> ;)
09:25:33 <Raystm2> we all do it! :)
09:25:45 <nballen> eheh
09:25:50 <nballen> virl: are you in Vienna?
09:37:29 <Quartus> And if so, can you easily avoid venandocarvarow?
09:51:36 <virl> nballen, yes I'm in vienna
09:52:28 <virl> the conversation was somehow 'interesting'
09:54:31 <virl> some aspects of what he said weren't false, but most was extrem.
09:55:59 <virl> Quartus, I don't know, I never ever met him, so I can't say if he is omnipresent
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15:17:49 <reuben> i am surprised that i haven't seen more forth code out there
15:18:09 <reuben> i see lots of forths, but not much code to run with them
15:37:55 <saon> heh
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16:05:37 <JasonWoof> reuben: I haven't really looked
16:05:51 <JasonWoof> guess I've googled for examples before and not found much
16:06:35 <JasonWoof> I'm writing a framework for doing CGI programming with gforth
16:07:25 <JasonWoof> it's mostly done, but I need to use it before I can know that I did it right and that it's not missing important bits
16:08:20 <JasonWoof> I'm going to make a shopping cart with it. that should be a good test
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