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15:00:11 Not too much here -- you? 15:03:58 --- quit: freejack ("leaving") 15:39:05 --- quit: segher (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:41:27 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 16:00:09 u scared him off lol 16:13:14 i440r: i would privmsg you, but lilo is a control freak and won't let me 16:13:26 i440r: last night you asked if i was new to #forth, the answer is yes 16:19:27 cool :) 16:19:56 yea i complained to him about that yesterday but he gave me some bogus rationalization about it 16:20:07 bah. /msg NickServ set unfiltered on 16:20:57 (I440r, that is) 16:21:13 yea and i have to do that every time i log in 16:21:39 er...no, NickServ should remember it. 16:44:46 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3577306.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 16:51:12 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-138-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 16:52:30 -NickServ- Password identification is required for [SET] 16:52:46 passwords on irc? *laugh* 16:54:11 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:00:01 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 17:00:08 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 17:12:34 --- quit: I440r () 17:17:28 --- join: sproingie_ (n=chatzill@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 17:17:32 --- nick: sproingie_ -> sproingie 17:17:53 --- quit: sproingie (Remote closed the connection) 17:18:41 --- join: sproingie (n=chatzill@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 18:31:27 reuben: what's so funny about passwords on irc? 18:31:50 there's passwords for IM, e-mail, ftp etc 18:34:38 --- join: amca (n=plump@as-bri-3-222.ozonline.com.au) joined #forth 18:35:36 Morning 18:37:40 mornin 18:38:33 How are you this morning? 18:47:34 --- quit: sproingie ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 18:53:04 tiiired 18:53:13 almost 10pm here 18:53:15 heh 18:53:22 I usually go to bed around 2-3am 18:53:23 Working hard all day? 18:53:26 long day 18:53:36 well, working anyway :) 18:53:46 got up at 7:40am 18:53:56 (which is not fun after going to sleep at 2am 18:54:04 rode in a car for an hour 18:54:21 then helped teach a Ninja Science class (this class was on balencing) 18:54:39 Ninja Science? 18:55:10 stealth, acrobatics, newtonion physics 18:55:20 I'm not sure how much science there is 18:55:30 hehe 18:55:37 But plenty of Cool? :) 18:55:44 although I think that a lot of basic mechanics/physics should be tought with a lot more moving around 18:55:53 oh yeah! :) 18:55:55 that was fun 18:56:40 then I came home, made phone calls, and biked 45min for 1.5 hours of setting up a computer network 18:56:57 Ouch 18:56:58 then a much shorter ride back (almost all downhill) 18:57:02 How was the networking? 18:57:17 oh, it was just getting the router to play nice with the cable modem 18:57:27 installed a wireless card in one computer 18:57:50 So it was ok? 18:57:55 and spent a short while seeing if I could un-jam a CD from a slot loading drive 18:58:22 yeah, everything's working fine except the CD is still stuck, and I couldn't figure out how to tell windoze to use the wireless card 18:58:41 all the network settings I found seemed to be centered around the idea of dialing with the modem 18:59:03 but I figured she could just ask her winblows geek friend and get that up easy 18:59:07 I installed the card and drivers 18:59:40 ah 18:59:48 and I got paid for that, so it all works out 18:59:56 $30 is enough for 1 day of expenses 18:59:59 sweet :) 19:00:24 $10/hour including biking there and back is good by me 19:00:45 yep 19:00:57 Exercise, geek play, and money all in one :D 19:00:57 weather wasn't bad :) 19:01:16 it started to rain at one point, and I was a little worried, because I didn't think to bring rain gear 19:01:40 oops 19:01:41 but it was very very light and went away after a while 19:02:00 I really like doing outside work and computer stuff 19:02:04 with biking in between 19:02:11 seems a nice balance 19:02:30 and I'm very happy that my life works so well without a car 19:03:06 I'm not willing to deal with having a legal car on the road 19:04:02 sweet :) 19:04:35 * amca is hopeless at driving. No good at external, realtime space perception/situation analysis. 19:06:31 are you good at internas situation analysis? 19:06:57 s/nas/nal/ 19:08:01 extremely 19:08:25 I tend to over-analyse 19:08:31 and not enough do 19:36:44 --- join: Entopical (i=entop@d161-184-112-112.abhsia.telus.net) joined #forth 20:17:19 --- quit: amca ("d34d") 20:25:05 JasonWoof: irc functioned fine for 20 years without passwords 20:25:48 passwords for irc make about as much sense as passwords for citizen's band 20:29:46 you don't have to use passwords 20:33:22 not yet, but i think lilo would like it if i did 20:43:34 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 20:46:15 Passwords work out fine for IRC. Adds a level of protection for your choice of nick. 20:58:39 "hi there roadrunner, that cb handle is password protected, you better start calling yourself something else" 20:59:43 this nick name is my intellectual property, you shall not infringe against my ownership! 21:03:39 Prevents malicious misidentification, actually. 21:04:37 many a man has been ruined in court when they drag out the irc logs 21:05:18 Are you just bored and looking to argue pointlessly? 21:05:45 You'd do better in ##c, in that case -- more people, and they seem to enjoy the same thing. 21:09:11 i thought my point was pretty clear.. it is a "feel-good" policy to password protect things like cb handles and irc nicknames 21:10:12 especially when the protocol is cleartext, without any technical identification going on.. no ssl, no pgp, just idle chat 21:10:15 Oh, you actually don't understand why it's a useful feature? I thought you were just being annoying and snide. 21:10:30 Imagine a busy channel, say, ##c. Lots of people come and go. So your handle is 'reuben', and you go by that all the time in there. 21:10:34 if you want me to shut up, i will 21:10:48 So some unsuspecting first-year student drops by, and he picks 'reuben' as a handle when you're not there. 21:11:02 People a) think it's you, and b) if you log in while he's there, you can't use the same handle, so it's annoying. 21:11:06 Protecting the nick prevents that. 21:11:21 It also prevents somebody who's taken a dislike to you from coming on, pretending he's you, and annoying people. 21:12:32 i've been on irc for too many years, on efnet, in busy channels like #c, and i have seldom seen such abuse 21:12:48 That doesn't make the facility any less useful. 21:12:58 when it does happen it is fleeting, and it is easy for adults to deal with 21:13:39 *shrug* it's simple, and it serves a need. 21:14:32 when i can no longer private message people without registering, then it actually impedes a need 21:14:56 Registration takes about 30 seconds, once. 21:15:19 And the system here is like that to help deter spammers. 21:15:21 once? try every sign-on 21:15:49 The actual registration is once. Entering your password happens each time, but surely you'd put that in the startup script. 21:15:51 i am allowing my hand to be held, but i am still going to call it a hand holding 21:16:37 put things in my start-up script specific to an irc network? i don't think so 21:17:03 Uh, ok. 21:18:03 it is kind of like email services that "filter spam" for me, and i don't get some messages that i want. 21:18:09 What IRC client do you use? No options to perform a script on connect? 21:18:43 i use ircII.. it can be done, but does that mean I want to do it? 21:19:13 i am wasting your time, sorry 21:19:27 if you protect your nickname, then you must be here for something important 21:19:53 Wasting your own time, as well, railing against simple things for the sake of so doing. 22:01:39 --- join: I440r (n=foo@adsl-68-127-208-26.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined #forth 22:23:03 --- quit: Entopical () 22:23:45 The main issue that nick registration is trying to solve is people pretending to be someone else 22:24:50 if someone else wants to call themselves jasonwoof, then so be it, but it's not ok for them to come here pretending to be me 22:25:40 the respect and friendship I have with several of the regulars here is valuable to me, and a prerequisite to these relationships is being able to identify eachother 22:26:43 so I appreciate that there are simple, optional measures that help me to correctly identify my friends, and help them identify me. 22:27:21 now, I would hope that I could go through life without anybody wanting to try to hurt me in that way, but alass, we aren't perfect 22:27:44 I have been in conversations in here that got out of hand 22:28:06 JasonWoof how long have you been here ? 22:28:14 how many times in 6 years have you been spammed 22:28:24 how many times have you had your nick stolen 22:28:40 being registered is frine. FORCING me to authenticate is not 22:28:55 agreed 22:29:00 if someone steals your nic you can kill his connection by loging in 22:29:03 I am glad it's optional :) 22:29:07 lilo is being anally retentive 22:29:10 no its not 22:29:25 you cannot communicate effectivly on this network unless you log in 22:29:40 except in channel which accounts for about .001% of my time on irc 22:29:41 what happens? 22:29:51 you cannot message anyone unless you are logged in 22:30:09 unless they have specifically opted OUT of the filter. 22:30:09 oh, right, they set the default to that you can't recieve private /msg from unregistered users 22:30:13 I think that's stupid. 22:30:31 i.e. every time you connect here you have to log in and tell the system you will accept messages from unauthenticated people 22:30:46 they have the defaults set WRONG 22:30:48 period 22:31:55 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=chatzill@sub22-119.member.dsl-only.net) joined #forth 22:32:25 agreed 22:32:42 nobody is complaining about it however 22:33:00 I'm sure lilo and friends have lots of trouble with spammers and others trying to do mean things to them 22:33:02 lilo claims that it was intended to be temporary but everyne complained tghat it should be permanant so now it is 22:33:09 rubbish 22:33:13 utter bullshit 22:33:31 in all the years ive been here ive been spammed no more than 3 or 4 times 22:33:39 ?? 22:33:42 but I think the people with such problems are serious IRC addicts, and would certainly have no trouble turning the filtering thing on themselves 22:34:18 I don't recall ever being spammed 22:34:29 but I'm not an admin, and I don't hang out it hot spots like ##C 22:34:37 lilo also claims that 98% of the people who come on here are NOT irc experts 22:34:42 another crock of shit 22:34:52 how do you know? 22:35:10 and what qualifies people as experts 22:35:18 lol ive been here for years. ive not met many irc noobs here 22:35:19 at all 22:35:27 most of the people here have a clue 22:35:30 except lilo 22:35:45 heh 22:35:49 see... 22:36:01 somehow I have a sense that a lot of people might try to pester lilo 22:36:32 so lilo can set a private filter for HIMSELF that does not allow anhyone except registered users from messaging HIM 22:36:50 you're preaching to the quire :) 22:37:05 on some worlds it is punishable by death, no other worlds without a government it can still get you killed 22:39:20 I guess he could have just set the filter himself 22:42:51 filo 22:43:15 first in last out 22:43:44 thats the moto of teh 27th tactical air support squadron :P 22:44:02 flying the OV10a bronco 22:46:49 how goes the mud? 22:48:24 You could just break down and instal a MUCK 22:48:27 MUCKs are text baised adventure games writen in Forth 22:51:20 Even I have thought about getting into unix for the sake of installing one 22:51:32 I'd have two boxes if I did 22:53:11 My DSL ISP would actually let me, I think. 22:58:13 I'm not sure where to start though, could be quite a journey 23:36:58 bye 23:37:01 --- quit: LOOP-HOG ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041217]") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.02.23