00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.02.16 00:24:43 --- join: rehges (n=segher@blueice1n1.de.ibm.com) joined #forth 00:25:28 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-3-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 03:49:51 --- quit: Cheery (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:51:19 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-3-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 04:26:22 --- join: ravenEx (n=ravenEx@87.252.239.205) joined #forth 05:23:24 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool46-139.nas30.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:54:09 --- quit: Cheery (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:56:19 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-3-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 06:03:44 --- join: Cheery_ (i=Henri@a81-197-3-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 06:05:24 --- quit: Cheery (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:09:55 --- join: segher_ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-141-046.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 06:11:43 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-71-192-33-206.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 06:11:43 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 06:21:39 --- quit: segher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:49:04 --- join: xaero (n=ravenEx@87.252.239.205) joined #forth 06:52:30 --- join: nballen (n=nballen@ppp-69-239-137-85.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) joined #forth 06:52:58 --- quit: ravenEx (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 06:55:26 --- nick: xaero -> ravenEx 06:59:08 --- join: PoppaVic_ (n=pete@0-1pool47-79.nas30.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 06:59:28 --- quit: PoppaVic (Nick collision from services.) 06:59:32 --- nick: PoppaVic_ -> PoppaVic 07:05:53 --- join: virl (n=virl@62.178.85.149) joined #forth 07:28:28 --- join: sproingie (n=chatzill@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 07:39:03 --- join: PoppaVic_ (n=pete@0-1pool64-213.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 07:39:19 --- quit: PoppaVic (Nick collision from services.) 07:39:22 --- nick: PoppaVic_ -> PoppaVic 07:42:30 whom is the forthy-master? 07:43:14 That thing needs a tarball: the url is awful 08:12:16 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 08:33:53 --- quit: madwork ("?OUT OF DATA ERROR") 08:35:48 --- join: madwork (n=foo@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 08:47:52 PoppaVic: so did you get a chance to look at my patches? 08:48:39 tathi and figured how to install, too! Thankyou! 08:48:51 cool 08:49:10 I've about concluded that FICL was a great idea they broke and badly. 08:49:27 oh? 08:49:49 I managed to use yer new funcs in several ways, but I still end up with the occasional bus fault 08:50:18 was that happening before? 08:50:28 yeppers 08:50:41 It has to do with 'see' and "fiends" 08:51:45 I think they suggest some decent ideas, and I need to persue them - but they then go right back to flat or "anonymous" in really stupid ways. 08:51:46 fiends? 08:51:59 yeah, as opposed to friends 08:52:57 I can ALMOST see using FICL as a core, but goddamnit - it's not interactive-friendly in the least. 08:53:21 it's much nicer to suffer gforth for dev 08:53:32 Yet, I know they are not the same. 08:54:40 tathi: generally, I think yer elder-idea of a pcoded forth are solid, and ficl is a good idea - but they got silly and just mucked up to go back to work/school. 08:55:51 yeah, ficl is definitely a bigger than I'd like. 08:56:10 s/a // 08:56:25 well, my new makefile solves that - but it's due to their softcore 08:56:53 "they" is John Sadler, a nice and talented guy. FICL has been embedded in a bunch of other things, quite successfully. 08:57:11 Building shared and stripping, ./ficls[shared] is dinky. 08:57:34 oh...I guess most of the size is documentation 08:57:40 Quartus: yep, I know and I've emailed him several times and gotten one nice reply. 08:58:19 It's also at least one guy beyond John, btw 08:59:11 tathi: well, sorta/kinda.. The docs are not much to write home about. 08:59:24 --- nick: Cheery_ -> Cheery 08:59:31 I do agree it's a damn good start/idea. 08:59:50 Except that you think it's abandoned, badly broken, and poorly documented. 09:00:19 I never said any of that, although "abandoned" is close 09:00:32 [11:51] I've about concluded that FICL was a great idea they broke and badly. 09:00:38 sorry, Q: I ain't gonna' suckle it. 09:00:39 [12:01] tathi: well, sorta/kinda.. The docs are not much to write home about. 09:00:50 --- quit: sproingie (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:00:55 [11:56] tathi: generally, I think yer elder-idea of a pcoded forth are solid, and ficl is a good idea - but they got silly and just mucked up to go back to work/school. 09:01:02 Q: ahh, so you want to paraphrase all of it. 09:01:11 No, those are direct quotes. 09:01:25 Nope. Except that you think it's abandoned, badly broken, and poorly documented. 09:01:25

Sure. 'mucked up to go back to work/school', 'broke and badly', and 'docs are not much to write home about' -- if that makes it clearer for you? 09:02:16 I never said I felt they DID badly. I did indeed imply they gave up early. 09:02:44 what happend to ficl? 09:03:00 i dont ge it 09:03:08 but, nm.. Q: if you want to read into and paraphrase, that's fine. I know mose folks know what I meant. 09:03:16 heh. nothing happened to ficl. 09:03:17 Nothing happened to it. It's at version 4+. 09:03:37 so why was there chatter about being messed up? 09:03:44 "happened" is prolly the issue. 09:03:57 Quiznos, PoppaVic apparently thinks poorly of the entire effort. 09:04:00 --- quit: rehges () 09:04:04 ah 09:04:20 I think it falls short in muliple and bad ways. 09:04:20 "Thou shalt not blow up a developers skirt!" 09:04:28 mulTiple 09:04:43 "one man's engine is another man's dream." 09:04:53 PoppaVic iow, find your own or make your own. 09:04:54 :) 09:04:58 otoh, I sure do think they offer some ideas and a base. 09:05:32 Quiznos, that would involve actual work, and the ability to do more than simply trash other people's efforts. 09:06:06 Quiznos: well, no.. In other words.. THe idea was solid, and they ran out of time. Yeah, it's like FIG or F83 09:06:07 Quartus you've already done it. 09:06:26 Quartus you're excused 09:06:27 Quartus: yer so damned defensive, I start to wonder why? 09:06:28 :) 09:06:40 PoppaVic then fork() and fix() 09:06:54 yep, Quiznos 09:07:28 i'm planning something with an ancient linux kernel, i duno if i'll ever get to it tho 09:07:30 I just hate to fork w/o some consensus. I happen to respect a lot of folks opinions. 09:07:33 linux+forth 09:07:40 Done what, Quiznos? 09:07:47 Quartus your forth 09:09:00 lol 09:09:36 --- quit: nballen () 09:16:25 * PoppaVic placidly thumb-twiddles... 09:30:40 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 09:58:34 hehe.. I guess I'm about done for the day. 10:26:53 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 10:51:08 --- join: nballen (n=nballen@ppp-69-239-137-85.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) joined #forth 10:53:03 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:12:29 --- join: madwork (n=foo@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 11:26:47 --- quit: nballen () 11:47:33 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:54:44 --- join: virl (n=virl@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 12:01:52 --- join: madwork (n=foo@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 12:07:04 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:09:48 --- join: madwork (n=foo@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 12:14:03 --- join: xaero (n=ravenEx@87.252.239.205) joined #forth 12:16:39 --- quit: ravenEx (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 12:48:50 --- quit: saon ("leaving") 12:57:58 --- quit: xaero (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:22:41 --- join: saon (i=1000@unaffiliated/saon) joined #forth 13:29:10 --- join: Thucydide (n=chatzill@i04m-87-90-79-25.d4.club-internet.fr) joined #forth 13:29:35 hi 13:30:33 --- part: Thucydide left #forth 13:33:51 --- quit: uiuiuiu (Remote closed the connection) 13:33:55 --- join: uiuiuiu (i=ian@dslb-084-056-221-018.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 13:43:17 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 13:51:46 --- quit: Cheery ("Leaving") 14:06:18 --- join: nballen (n=nballen@ppp-69-239-137-85.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) joined #forth 14:24:42 --- nick: nanstm -> tiff 14:53:00 --- join: _crc (i=crc@pool-70-110-173-98.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 15:06:22 --- join: ThinkingInBinary (n=tom@pool-68-163-137-213.bos.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 15:08:13 hey 15:11:12 Hey. 15:12:08 B 15:17:56 Quartus: I'm picking up electronics stuff this weekend. 15:19:06 Oh yes. PDAing stuff? 15:19:24 Quartus: LED blinking stuff first. 15:19:55 Quartus: Hey, I should make a morse-code powered PDA! It could be microscopic, just the size of a couple of CR2032's, a tiny button, a tiny LED (or a few), and one of the 8-pin PICs! 15:20:10 Yes -- and completely useless! :) 15:20:26 PIC's are actually fairly commonly used in morse code keyers. 15:20:36 And it's also very discreet... 15:23:06 Anyway... I'm thinking about, once this is done, getting maybe 4, 8, or 16 of the newer 16-bit ones, building them onto a PCB, connecting them with CAN, LIN, or I2C, and making a PIC-powered micro-cluster. Perhaps I could write a multiprocessor-capable Computer Algebra System, and build it into a TI-89 case and make an insanely fast calculator ;-) 15:24:19 Quartus: Or some other cluster-ish stuff. It would be interesting to see what I can do with it. 15:37:46 Quartus: I should figure out which PIC would have the best MIPS/mA ratio, and figure out how many I can power and still get reasonable battery life. 16:11:11 --- join: danniken (i=CapStone@ppp-70-128-43-158.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:14:10 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:14:29 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-138-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 17:32:16 --- quit: danniken () 18:08:54 --- join: sproingie (n=chatzill@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 18:09:08 Quartus: you still around? 18:09:20 --- quit: sproingie (Remote closed the connection) 18:38:38 --- part: ThinkingInBinary left #forth 18:43:09 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=chatzill@sub22-119.member.dsl-only.net) joined #forth 18:43:13 hi 18:56:07 --- join: rsyncx (n=bob@CPE000c41aac435-CM00111ae4f4cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:56:31 hi 19:04:36 --- quit: _crc () 19:26:27 --- quit: saon (Nick collision from services.) 19:26:36 --- join: saon_ (i=1000@unaffiliated/saon) joined #forth 19:42:13 --- nick: saon_ -> saon 20:11:35 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-138-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 20:13:32 --- quit: LOOP-HOG ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041217]") 20:16:54 --- quit: tiff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:19:28 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-69-149-41-128.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 20:28:44 --- quit: segher_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:08:52 --- quit: virl ("Verlassend") 21:41:45 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-3-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 21:47:30 --- quit: nballen () 22:14:38 --- join: LOOP-HOG (n=chatzill@sub22-119.member.dsl-only.net) joined #forth 22:23:45 --- quit: Cheery ("Leaving") 22:57:56 --- quit: LOOP-HOG ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041217]") 23:46:28 --- join: I440r (n=foo@rrcs-24-242-160-169.sw.biz.rr.com) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.02.16