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09:29:54 <PoppaVic> I wish tathi were around *sigh*
09:30:00 <tathi> I'm here
09:30:04 <tathi> About to eat lunch though
09:30:10 <tathi> What's up?
09:30:23 <PoppaVic> oh! ok, lemme' know when yer back, please?
09:30:51 <PoppaVic> I'm wondering about yer C-forth and glaring at FICL - there are few alternatives
09:50:13 <tathi> back
09:50:22 <PoppaVic> wb
09:50:38 <tathi> I don't think I wrote much code.
09:50:38 <PoppaVic> Did you go any further on yer C-based "fovm" stuff?
09:50:53 <PoppaVic> ahh, shit
09:51:09 <tathi> FICL seemed fairly good, except that the source was a lot bigger than I really liked.
09:51:15 <PoppaVic> I may need to thrash FICL with a graphite fishing-pole
09:51:27 <tathi> how come?
09:51:45 <PoppaVic> Yeah.. Worst is, it doesn;t handle wordlists, vocs, order
09:52:12 <PoppaVic> you can't interactively ascertain where the silly bastard thinks it is at
09:52:57 <PoppaVic> I think FICL - other than that and the oversized funcnames() is prolly the way to go.
09:53:51 <PoppaVic> I do believe decent segregation is prolly also wise
09:55:13 <tathi> That's odd -- I would have thought FICL would have wordlists
09:56:27 <PoppaVic> I think it does
09:56:38 <PoppaVic> ..Problem is, you can't tell where you are
09:57:23 <PoppaVic> You assuredly can't type "order" or "voclist" with much utility
09:57:41 <PoppaVic> I'm never sure what context and current is operating
09:58:16 <PoppaVic> Anyway, I thought I'd see if you'd made any progress or were interested
10:01:05 <PoppaVic> btw <efg> I already know their tarball will not generate a shlib or plugin for macosx - their makefiles are busted.
10:03:34 <tathi> "order" doesn't tell you what you want?
10:04:08 <PoppaVic> hmm, no - I wanted voclist and 'order' only works when I guess and find a new foc
10:04:24 <tathi> voclist would list all vocabs, not just the ones currently being searched?
10:04:31 <PoppaVic> why is it so difficult to ascertain what is certainly set somewhere?
10:04:35 <PoppaVic> right.
10:04:47 <PoppaVic> some old shit used .vocs
10:05:29 <PoppaVic> tathi: mostly, I like the way FICL built easily... But, it's still a mess.
10:05:49 <PoppaVic> At least it can get back & forth between C and forth
10:09:28 <PoppaVic> tathi: I suspect I need to attempt to focus on the FICL source like mad.. It seems to me they had the right idea, and just lost track.
10:10:10 <PoppaVic> If yer interested, (of course),then this becomes more than a mere exercise.
10:10:49 <tathi> hrm...looks like it might not keep track of all wordlists
10:10:59 <tathi> I'm not familiar enough with the source to tell for sure
10:11:01 <PoppaVic> Yeah, that was the feeling I got
10:11:28 <PoppaVic> ..as though they can be built, and exist, but USERS can't "get there from here"
10:11:49 <tathi> I'm not really interested -- I don't think it would be particularly difficult to write a C-forth that would be more to my taste than FICL, but it's a fair amount of work
10:11:57 <tathi> much of it fairly repetitive and tedious
10:12:03 <PoppaVic> Yep.
10:12:55 <PoppaVic> OTOH, there seems to be no real development done for years now - if it doesn't run straight into asm-per-platform
10:14:52 <tathi> done on FICL?  or alternatives?
10:15:35 <PoppaVic> done as in "new forths are almost always INTO ASM" - and not C. THe alternatives are nearly as old.
10:16:05 <PoppaVic> Anyway, thought I'd see how you were doing and if there was any interest
10:17:58 <tathi> I'm more interested in building something that compiles to native and cross-compiles so I can port it.
10:18:47 <PoppaVic> native what? ;-) It's all relative ;-) I know what you imply, though
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10:19:34 <tathi> OK, yeah, looks like FICL doesn't keep track of wordlists that are defined.
10:19:42 <PoppaVic> S'ok, thanks.
10:20:00 <tathi> looks like it wouldn't be hard to patch though
10:20:19 <PoppaVic> I thoiught so.. Wrote the "author" and I plan to sexually-abuse the fucker and get serious
10:20:47 <PoppaVic> No excuse for the code doing that shit
10:21:28 <PoppaVic> And, when yer running 1gig+ processors, his reasons are even weaker
10:21:49 <tathi> I don't really see a reason to add it.
10:22:03 <PoppaVic> which forthish was it that uses a dbase?
10:22:31 <tathi> don't know
10:22:33 <PoppaVic> tathi: I want "namespaces" and "methods", etc.
10:22:54 <PoppaVic> vocs and wordlists will admirably handle those
10:23:26 <PoppaVic> ..this is also true about "associative lists"
10:23:42 <tathi> well, anyway, you could track them easily enough.  add a link field to ficlHash, and modify ficlDictionaryCreateWordlist to link new ones in and store the head somewhere.
10:24:05 <PoppaVic> can you throw me an email of yer solution, please?
10:24:17 <PoppaVic> I already know the bugger needs a rewrite
10:26:13 <PoppaVic> Anyway, I'm gonna' go hit the head and snooze awhile.. I got too much life-shit going on to deal much more. Thanks, tathi - I need a snooze
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10:48:15 <Serg_Penguin> hi folks !
10:49:46 <Serg_Penguin> how is it named in English: synthetic face image made by gradual iteration and evaluation by eye witnesses ? in RU -"fotorobot"
10:51:57 <segher> composition photograph?
10:53:44 <Serg_Penguin> google gives very irrelevant output for it
10:55:18 <tathi> composite sketch or composite portrait, probably
10:56:56 <segher> google for    police "composition drawing"    or one of tathi's alternatives
11:01:47 <I440r> penguin! ltns :)
11:02:01 <Serg_Penguin> hi I440r !
11:02:10 * I440r just got up
11:02:12 <Serg_Penguin> 'identikit' ?
11:02:29 <I440r> yes thats and english ism
11:02:33 <I440r> they use those
11:02:54 <I440r> its got lots of pieces parts of a face and they build up a picture by laying them one on top of the other
11:03:52 <Serg_Penguin> hehe, i want it for caricatures, emoticons etc, not police purpose
11:05:38 <I440r> :)
11:07:09 <Serg_Penguin> started download by E-Mule ;))
11:07:48 <Serg_Penguin> i once bought female beauty proggie for that purpose, but it was foto-based and had no male elements
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11:36:37 <Lars_G> Hi all.
11:36:42 <Lars_G> I came to share my last madness.
11:36:48 <Lars_G> What about making a forth shell?
11:37:14 <Lars_G> ." /home" cd
11:38:17 <Lars_G> :D
11:43:37 <Lars_G> A RPN shell, now that's something I'd love :)
11:43:40 <Lars_G> OH no
11:43:47 <Lars_G> but then, we'd have to implement the String stack
11:43:49 <Lars_G> forget it.
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13:11:58 <FoulMood> can X11 be rewritten in Forth and work better than x11 in C?
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13:18:15 <JasonWoof> PurpleSmurf: go for it!
13:18:55 <JasonWoof> hmm... think I need a little practice drinking from a glass
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14:56:26 <crc> hi everyone
14:57:23 <Robert> Hi, crc.
15:12:15 <Quartus> Hi crc.
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15:49:37 <madgarden> Lars_G, I've done something like that. Works nice.
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15:58:55 <Raystm2> Hello men!
16:02:58 <Quartus> Hey Raystm2.
16:03:18 <Raystm2> Hows the Q today?
16:03:34 <Raystm2> Wait, I missed the sale on EBAY, how did that go?
16:03:34 <Quartus> Doing well thanks, you?
16:03:42 <Quartus> That went well too, sold one of the other ones too.
16:03:51 <Raystm2> Excellent!
16:04:05 <JasonWoof> what are you selling?
16:04:19 <Raystm2> I'm well, beat from work, but feel well none the less for ware.
16:04:20 <Quartus> Just sold two robot puppets.
16:04:23 <Raystm2> Hi JasonWoof!
16:04:59 <Raystm2> That's just so cool. Quartus did you get a lot of bids?
16:05:39 <Quartus> A fair few.  1200 page hits or so.
16:06:43 <Raystm2> Hmmm, is that a niche cottage industry in the ruff?
16:06:56 <Quartus> Except that I don't live in a cottage, yes.
16:06:57 <Quartus> :)
16:07:10 <Raystm2> Sell enough and you can get one.
16:07:33 <Quartus> A nice thought.
16:07:44 <Quartus> I have a store online selling parts, as well.
16:08:13 <Raystm2> Oh yes, I recall. Been there.
16:09:37 <Quartus> Sent a rather large box off today.
16:09:49 <Raystm2> I finally cracked open the Knuth this weekend. 
16:10:00 <Raystm2> Oh you did? Couple robots then?
16:10:08 <Quartus> One, takes a box about 46"x18"x18.
16:10:13 <Quartus> Enjoying the Knuth?
16:10:56 <Raystm2> Oh man, they are huge.
16:11:02 <Raystm2> I had no idea of the scale.
16:11:05 <Quartus> They are indeed.
16:11:18 <Quartus> More reference than casual reading.
16:11:58 <Raystm2> Yes, enjoying Knuth, tho i'm just in the beginning pages now, I've not had the temptation to skip to the "butler did it" yet.
16:12:19 <PurpleSmurf> which Knuth book?
16:12:25 <Raystm2> First.
16:12:48 <Raystm2> AOCP
16:12:49 <PurpleSmurf> ya know he wrote about about scripture too?
16:13:04 <Raystm2> No, I did not know that.
16:13:12 <PurpleSmurf> :) now ya do
16:13:22 <Raystm2> PurpleSmurf: have you read Knuth on scripture?
16:13:39 <PurpleSmurf> an analysis of a certain verse in every bible-book
16:13:57 <PurpleSmurf> i only had the chance to skip through it at the store
16:14:33 <Raystm2> I'm sorry, Did you mean that there is a verse that appears in every book, or that he's commenting on one from every book?...?
16:15:16 <PurpleSmurf> I think it was every 16th verse of every third chatpter of every book
16:15:19 <PurpleSmurf> 3.16
16:16:15 <Raystm2> oh
16:16:19 <Raystm2> hmm.
16:16:48 <PurpleSmurf> he commented 
16:16:58 <Raystm2> I see.
16:17:14 <Raystm2> I wish i could say I was more competent in that study...
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16:17:31 <PurpleSmurf> all ya gotta do is read it
16:17:35 <PurpleSmurf> the bible that is
16:17:43 <Raystm2> I get mine of the tv :)
16:17:48 <PurpleSmurf> Good!
16:17:48 <Raystm2> of+F
16:18:08 <Raystm2> I like that Joel Olsteen.
16:18:16 <PurpleSmurf> good
16:18:19 <Raystm2> Been watching him for years.
16:18:27 <Raystm2> He's not that far from here.
16:18:45 <PurpleSmurf> cool
16:18:47 <Raystm2> About 450 miles or so. But he comes up here often.
16:19:08 <PurpleSmurf> i'm in the middle of no-where, anystate :)
16:20:11 <PurpleSmurf> brb eats
16:20:17 <Raystm2> That was my home town, till I moved to Anytown USA
16:20:26 <Raystm2> enjoy.
16:28:22 <PurpleSmurf> back
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17:58:23 <Raystm2> Welcome Back. I'm back from dinner as well.
17:58:33 <Raystm2> What did you have?
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19:48:34 <thin[dsw]> JasonWoof: i was trying to remember your os site and i thought "hey! mythos would be a wicked os name because of the double meaning"
19:49:58 <Robert> Hi, thin (...dsw?)
19:50:41 <thin[dsw]> howdy Robert 
19:51:11 <thin[dsw]> dsw is Do Some Work
19:51:18 <thin[dsw]> i saw someone with it so i copied him heh
19:51:39 <thin[dsw]> i thought it is a nice reminder and motivational too
19:51:53 <thin[dsw]> has it helped?  i think it has a bit
19:51:56 <Robert> Heh.
19:51:56 <thin[dsw]> but the verdict is still out
19:52:16 <thin[dsw]> so how's #forth doing?
19:52:20 <thin[dsw]> healthy?
19:53:08 <Robert> Hmm... I haven't been here that much, but it's alive.
19:53:18 <thin[dsw]> saying "Heh." is poor english isn't it?
19:53:33 <thin[dsw]> not even a sentence so there's no need for the period :P
19:54:15 <Robert> Lies, all lies!
19:54:51 <thin[dsw]> i forgive your butchering of the irc english language with your capitalizations and periods and commas because its your second lang ;P
19:54:58 <thin[dsw]> jk
19:55:05 <thin[dsw]> anyways i might start trolling so i better leave
19:55:06 <thin[dsw]> lol
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