00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.01.14 00:38:17 --- quit: JasonWoof ("off to bed") 00:46:31 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-69-149-44-29.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 00:59:50 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:17:22 --- quit: bbls () 01:17:36 --- join: bbls (n=bbls@81.180.7.4) joined #forth 03:05:36 --- quit: crc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:27:16 --- join: crc (n=crc@pool-70-110-200-138.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 03:27:29 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 03:43:09 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-18-99.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 04:24:32 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:45:17 --- part: bbls left #forth 04:58:01 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool73-36.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:58:52 --- quit: PoppaVic ("brb") 06:04:38 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool47-55.nas30.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 07:01:29 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 07:01:51 Hi. 07:03:40 hello 07:06:59 cold this morning 07:14:05 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@pdpc/supporter/student/Herkamire) joined #forth 07:14:05 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 07:16:01 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 07:58:45 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-142-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 09:47:14 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 09:47:50 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:54:44 --- quit: sproingie ("Leaving") 11:50:21 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-098-212.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:58:03 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11:58:26 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 12:40:01 hmm slava why do you use a 1:1 opengl interface? 12:41:06 what is a 1:1 interface? 12:42:58 an interface with no abstractions 12:43:13 there are abstractions 12:44:14 oh really? I only see that there is an 1:1 relationship between factor wordnames and opengl api calls 12:44:25 yes, and the factor UI builds abstractions on top of that 12:44:59 of course there's a "1:1 relationship"... the words are generated by factor's C library binding features 12:45:31 oh... 12:59:38 --- join: sproingie (i=icechat5@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 13:02:19 --- quit: sproingie (Client Quit) 13:08:46 why is it important for you that no glue code is written in C? 13:11:17 because I hate C 13:11:59 aha, and C hates you. 13:12:21 when i'm working on factor, i want to write factor code, not C. i write enough C at work 13:49:14 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@ppp-70-243-216-198.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 14:08:02 --- quit: Cheery (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:18:00 virl: you need bindings to libraries in any compiled language. 14:18:18 that 1:1 interface file is the factor equivalent of C's .h files 14:19:22 the shared library files don't contain any info that tells how to call the functions -- just names/addresses for linking. 14:21:52 one of the things i like about objective c is it provides this information 14:21:59 you can query selectors at runtime to get argument types ,etc 14:25:14 yeah, I've never used it, but Jason was playing with it when OS X was in beta, and it sounded pretty interesting. 14:30:18 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=Raystm2@adsl-68-93-41-44.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 14:42:27 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:44:48 what do you mean exactly with bindings to libraries? 14:45:34 when you write FUNCTION: void glVertex3f ( float x, float y, float z ) ; it defines a word glVertex3f that calls this library function 14:45:37 that's called a binding 14:47:10 ok, then it's the same what I understand under a binding 14:52:45 * JasonWoof curses numlock 14:54:04 wow, that weather report looks nasty 14:54:12 it was 53F today 14:54:32 tomorrow it says it'll snow and only reach 21F and have 25mph winds 15:00:48 50F now 15:01:02 what's that in standard units? 15:01:12 yeah 15:01:44 Fahrenheit 15:02:35 53F = 11C 15:02:42 21F = -6C 15:02:43 50=10 15:02:55 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-69-149-32-238.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 15:03:06 -6 is not cold at all 15:03:07 that's quite a drop for 24 hours 15:03:13 its -20 here 15:03:31 no, it's quite normal for winter 15:03:41 Mmm... 15:03:45 I'm just suprised that it's supposed to go down that fast 15:03:51 * Robert is near the Equator atm. 15:03:59 (northern England) 15:04:05 heh 15:04:20 oh, I thought England decided not to move after all. 15:06:53 -20C is cold. where are you? 15:08:12 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:09:49 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=Raystm2@ppp-70-248-32-33.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 15:20:55 --- join: aum (n=aum@60-234-156-82.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 15:23:18 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:35:03 --- join: segher_ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-131-178.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 15:48:08 --- quit: segher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:54:29 surely that would increase my standing 16:54:43 ack, critical miss, wrong chan 17:17:05 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-68-95-250-134.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:28:29 --- join: Raystm2- (n=Raystm2@adsl-68-95-250-134.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:30:36 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:31:23 --- join: sproingie (n=chuck@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 17:42:36 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:51:12 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 18:19:01 --- join: TheBlueWizard (i=TheBlueW@ts001d0175.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) joined #forth 18:25:04 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-69-149-33-27.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 18:27:04 hiya Raystm2 :) 18:35:17 --- quit: Raystm2- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:50:42 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 19:01:57 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 19:35:48 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:37:03 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-68-93-115-111.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 20:18:13 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=Raystm2@adsl-69-149-58-118.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 20:23:12 slava: where do you live? 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