00:00:00 --- log: started forth/06.01.12 00:26:30 --- quit: amca (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03:37:59 --- quit: Quartus (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:37:59 --- quit: madgarden (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03:38:18 --- join: Quartus (n=trailer@CPE0001023f6e4f-CM013349902843.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 03:38:18 --- join: madgarden (n=madgarde@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3577807.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 03:43:50 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-18-99.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 03:57:13 --- quit: saon (Remote closed the connection) 03:57:15 --- join: saon (i=1000@c-66-177-224-184.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:02:07 --- join: EtherNet_Work (n=EtherNet@OL240-101.fibertel.com.ar) joined #forth 04:19:57 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool47-25.nas30.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:37:56 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 05:51:04 --- quit: warpzero (Client Quit) 05:51:05 --- join: warpzero (n=warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 06:47:07 --- join: virl (i=core@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 06:47:27 hi 06:47:43 I think I have now the right word for it :-) 06:48:21 huh? 07:05:49 --- quit: PoppaVic ("beats the ISP sweeps...") 07:07:04 virl: so what's this fantabulous word you found? :) 07:08:21 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool74-152.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 07:15:26 nothing fantabulous, it's something well know brought into context with something else, which is also well known. 07:15:52 it's 'header' and it stand into the context of a 'sequence' 07:16:06 nothing famous, but it's acceptable 07:17:29 and the word is? 07:19:15 ehm I said it already 07:19:44 'header'? 07:19:49 yes 07:22:02 with that I'll describe some ideas in my xell temporary design proposal 08:21:55 --- quit: PoppaVic (Nick collision from services.) 08:22:38 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool64-167.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 08:57:06 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:59:51 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 09:00:13 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-68-95-253-113.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 09:06:31 --- join: sproingie (n=chuck@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 10:02:16 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=Raystm2@adsl-68-93-120-252.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 10:13:17 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:14:59 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:30:45 --- quit: Cheery ("Leaving") 11:04:48 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-130-162.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:41:28 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 11:47:53 --- quit: Robert ("Reconnecting") 11:47:57 --- join: Robert (n=robert@unaffiliated/robert) joined #forth 11:49:24 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-115-096.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:57:10 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11:57:13 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 12:01:07 seems that the channel is sleeping 12:01:43 Yeah. 12:02:29 * slava is working 12:05:17 Robert, what are you doing? 12:06:36 virl: have you done any 3d graphics? 12:09:19 in which context? programming or modelling? ehm, programming yes, but it's a long time ago, I think the last time played with them in programs intensiv is two years ago I think, but sometimes I write some programs to get into it again. I oftener modell 3d graphics. 12:09:54 have you used OpenGL? 12:09:56 but when I finish a xell vm which supports 3d I hope I'll program it oftener 12:10:04 yes, I have used OpenGL 12:11:18 for me it's the only really good 3d api ;-) DirectX sucks in that sense, the last time I tried it was horrible. 12:12:03 i stopped using windows before directx came out so i've never tried it 12:12:34 --- nick: JasonWoo1 -> JasonWoof 12:12:42 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 12:13:57 DirectX is so ugly, it hurts in it to write code. OpenGL is also sometimes painfully to write code in it, but it's not like DirectX 12:14:17 well, I think I'll never use it again. 12:14:25 DirectX 12:14:46 i like opengl. we use it at work 12:15:38 yes, me too. 12:16:03 I meant that I wouldn't never ever use DirectX again. 12:16:44 whatever today it seems that I'm writing shit ;-) 12:17:11 have you written any code for xell yet? 12:17:40 ehm, yes I wrote some lines. 12:18:49 exactly 505 lines of code and comments. 12:19:03 does it run anything? 12:20:26 stack operations and some init stuff 12:21:10 I have not much time to play with it, fucking school. 12:21:16 heh 12:21:31 well i have a job, and school :) 12:21:35 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 12:21:55 fine, I'm not good at handling such things. 12:26:04 I'm very sensitive to stress situations and I like to design something well, that's the reason why it only very slowly continues. 12:40:07 --- quit: EtherNet_Work ("Abandonando") 12:43:27 which job slava? 12:43:47 i maintain a CAD program for Mac OS X 12:45:27 written in ...? 12:45:33 Objective C. 12:45:38 i didn't write it, i got hired to help out. 12:46:25 objective C, yes somehow I knew that. 12:46:47 its common on Mac OS. 12:47:03 recently i implemented an objective C library bridge for factor, now I can call apple's libraries 12:47:32 yes, when I recall correctly it was ported from next to macOS 12:47:53 indeed 12:49:16 are there any objective C implementations around which are fully functional like the next or macos versions? 12:49:47 MacOS X is built using gcc. 12:49:57 gcc ships with an Objective C runtime 12:50:18 I know, but iirc it wasn't fully functionally. 12:50:27 it lacks some api functions 12:50:39 the OS X API, Cocoa, is not part of gcc at all. 12:50:45 its proprietary. 12:50:59 however gcc is a full implementation of the language 12:51:12 cocoa and nextstep/openstep are still very much compatible though 12:51:26 aha, ok I heard something else, that's the reason why I never tried it. 12:51:52 segher: if you don't use apple's speech API, quicktime, core graphics, core data, ... 12:51:54 but it's somehow unnaturally to see C with smalltalk syntax 12:51:55 cocoa has many many extra things, but the base is still the same 14:05:05 hmm will be languages like C# have a future? 14:05:33 I hope that they die 14:05:53 why do you care? 14:07:56 because I don't want to work with them 14:08:30 then don't 14:08:40 I hope when I find a job then they don't want C# 14:08:49 then find such a job 14:42:44 slava, what are things you would find 'cool'? 14:50:09 hi everyone 14:59:02 what? 15:01:29 Hi. 15:23:07 which concepts do you think are nice? 15:35:16 --- join: segher_ (n=segher@dslb-084-056-144-061.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 15:39:00 --- quit: segher_ (Client Quit) 15:40:14 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 15:49:27 --- quit: segher (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:13:13 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-68-95-254-207.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 16:43:29 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:44:16 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-69-149-45-111.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:39:17 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:48:40 --- join: EtherNet (n=EtherNet@host205.201-252-103.telecom.net.ar) joined #forth 18:06:25 --- quit: nballen () 18:16:07 --- quit: EtherNet ("Leaving") 20:30:36 --- quit: verbatim ("Client exiting") 20:51:49 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 21:09:23 hi 21:13:41 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 21:17:41 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 21:19:49 --- join: nballen (n=nballen@adsl-69-111-249-96.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) joined #forth 22:12:29 --- quit: sproingie (Remote closed the connection) 22:17:11 --- join: rabbitwhite (n=roger@136.160.192.49) joined #forth 22:26:35 --- quit: rabbitwhite () 22:42:42 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/06.01.12