00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.12.24 00:01:27 and mp3 <--> ogg conversion and icecast ogg broadcasting 00:05:42 the song list is at http://richardsnow.net/playlist/index.php 00:05:51 --- join: rsync_ (n=monkey@CPE000c41aac435-CM00111ae4f4cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 00:07:00 That's quite a long list. 00:07:59 Wow. 00:08:05 * Robert just checked how long his list is. 00:08:10 kalium:~# ls -Rl /home/music/ | wc -l 00:08:10 5691 00:09:13 counting lines? 00:09:36 5691 files :) 00:10:17 ls /mnt/music/music | wc -l 00:10:17 591 00:10:28 Yeah... that's more than I thought. 00:10:45 And it's probably a too low number, as many of the files are entire albums. 00:11:26 sometimes I tape from the radio and make a 90 minute block as 1 mp3, but there aren't any of those in the list now after the new hard drive 00:11:43 or rather 2 45 minute blocks 00:12:38 * Robert rarely listens to radio, and when he does, mostly amateur traffic. 00:13:19 I've got a very cheap portable (pocket size) that has shortwave but it only picks up very few stations 00:14:08 got it mainly because I wanted a battery powered unit for when storms come and power goes out. 00:14:47 * Robert likes building them, but has been lazy about that lately. 00:15:15 make your own? Does Heathkit still exist? 00:15:58 --- quit: JasonWoof ("leaving") 00:17:40 I'm not sure about that. 00:17:50 But at a flea market last year I got 250 vacuum tubes. 00:19:21 When I was in the sixth grade my mom bought me a breadboard kit (resistors, caps, 3 transistors, tuning coil, etc) 00:19:37 I built every circuit in the manual 00:20:21 Nice. My brother found one of those in a dump one day (some parts were broken), but we had lots of fun with it. 00:21:37 then in college I took digital (twice -- two different schools) and used the little modules that you can plug IC's into 00:23:09 Haven't done too much digital electronics. Small computers and tools. 00:23:29 my first computer was a kim-1 (6502) 00:23:52 Wow, that's old. 00:24:04 I'm old :) 00:24:38 48 00:24:54 Not as old as my high school teacher. She was using a vacuum tube machine in the 50s. 00:28:19 I've got an uncle that worked at TI for years. His name is on the patent for their first calculator 00:29:38 He still has the Altair that he built 00:30:09 That's pretty impressive. 00:32:41 Jerry Merryman 00:37:06 --- join: Cheery (i=Henri@a81-197-18-99.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #forth 00:37:13 Hi, Cheery . 00:38:02 Hi Robert 00:38:26 how's finland? cold? 00:40:44 well, it's quite common weather here. 00:41:01 on every winter, there comes a heatwave on christmass :) 00:41:12 At least I feel so. 00:41:25 * Robert noticed that too. 00:41:33 Most snow just melted. 00:41:48 high today here was 68F 00:43:03 20C 00:43:34 That's quite a lot. 00:45:34 hardly ever snows here 00:46:19 when it does everything shuts down 00:47:57 this sure is a long album 00:48:06 Yeah... was thinking about that. 00:48:25 Not too bad though, so I don't really mind. 00:48:35 I like her voice though 00:52:42 I went to Walmart a while ago and bought a new telephone. The one I had the speakerphone didn't work well. 00:52:51 I got the last corded speakerphone they had on the shelf 00:53:05 except for the model I already had 00:53:31 * Robert rarely uses telephones. 00:54:17 almost all the ones they had were cordless 00:57:04 you listened for 90 minutes 00:58:32 Almost, yes. 00:58:47 it gave me seconds when you disconnected 00:59:10 * Robert needs his soundcard :) 01:00:09 87.2 megabytes 01:01:52 3 AM satellite dish is doing diagnostics.... 01:30:39 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 01:53:52 --- join: nballen (n=nballen@adsl-69-111-248-132.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) joined #forth 02:40:04 --- quit: nballen () 02:41:21 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-097-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 02:48:56 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 02:49:16 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 03:15:24 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 03:17:39 Good morning. 03:20:22 hey 03:23:18 was trying out my new netbeans (java ide from sun) 03:23:48 Any good? I'm not a huge fan of Java. 03:24:31 I bought a book the other day while I was getting my car worked on. Last time I tried the netbeans it was slow and had some bugs. Its a lot more polished now. 03:25:13 You can create your GUI with a visual editor and then insert code into the action methods 03:30:30 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool73-54.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 03:43:30 Hey, I've a question about forth. 03:43:49 Yes? 03:44:00 I've these in stack: parameters condition action evaluated-condition action | top 03:44:10 I want parameters two up 03:44:47 like it'd be like this: condition action parameters evaluated-condition action | top 03:46:08 It's generally not a good idea to keep that many item on the stack, but you want something like this... >r >r rot r> r> 03:49:11 how can I reduce the amount of items in the stack? 03:50:30 That depends on your program. Often you can factor complex words into smaller ones. 03:50:51 Or in some cases, use memory pointers or heap variables. It all depends on what you're doing. 03:51:34 hmm 03:57:55 This is incredibly hard. I gues I've took a wrong approach 03:58:23 Could be. What are you coding, if I may ask? 03:58:48 I'm trying out factor programming language, it's so similar to forth that I asked here about that stack problem. 03:59:35 I try to write a SDL app with it, which would initialize a window, handle events and close it. 03:59:48 initializing and closing is simple, but that event handling gets out of hands. 04:00:22 http://rafb.net/paste/results/3eF0st71.html 04:00:23 Oh, I've never used factor, so I'm afraidI can't help much. 04:00:25 It's currently like this. 04:01:30 I'm trying to implement while loop and run it that way, but while being uneffective, it doesn't work. 04:02:01 event-handling is, on the whole a royal assbite 04:08:53 Well. How should it be done that it's easier? 04:09:50 no idea THe alternatives are limited by capabilities. 04:10:36 Generally, it ends up being an indexed-vtable, or it ends up being a tight dispatch-loop. 04:13:39 Hmm. 04:13:58 So it seems in these languages, there must be another way for doing the same thing. 04:16:06 in every language, it's some variant 04:16:47 oh, the other potential solution is (ugh) using throw/catch 04:46:19 Aah. I got it to work :) 04:46:53 Cool. :) 04:47:17 http://paste.lisp.org/display/14970 04:47:47 --- quit: rsync_ () 04:48:27 What next? maybe a spinning rectangle. 04:49:23 Perhaps that. 05:30:00 Done 05:30:05 Maybe timing it next. 05:48:26 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 06:03:48 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool65-138.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 06:17:18 http://paste.lisp.org/display/14971 06:17:21 hmm 06:17:47 Ok, I think I leave it as it, I'll turn out to ask how to use that alien from the language implementer. 06:27:57 hehehaha 06:33:40 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 06:45:40 my first forth program, http://terrorpin.net/~ben/docs/comp/lang/forth/cat.f 06:51:10 * PoppaVic rotfls 06:51:18 it's wooor-king ;-) 06:51:33 I wonder why forth is not more popular language. 06:51:44 because it has too many variants 06:51:56 ..and doesn't play well with linkers/loaders/c 06:52:11 I mean, you could express things really nice with this language. 06:52:30 PS is prolly the ultimate, well-used variant 06:52:43 PoppaVic, how it doesn't play well with linkers? 06:52:47 Yep. I agree 06:53:18 And nicely expressed things would be fast, even they are nice expressed :/ 06:53:27 most forths can't generate a .o or .a or .so (orwhatever) - and satisfy the rest of the world 06:53:42 --- join: rsync_ (n=monkey@CPE000c41aac435-CM00111ae4f4cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 06:53:59 I'm dancing as fast as I can. 06:54:03 why they couldn't be put to generate? 06:54:32 I dunno - never understood it. Prolly employing too many "in-memory" 'tricks' 07:09:12 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@pdpc/supporter/student/Herkamire) joined #forth 07:09:12 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 07:56:00 --- join: PoppaVic_ (n=pete@0-2pool236-69.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 07:56:53 --- quit: PoppaVic (Nick collision from services.) 07:56:57 --- nick: PoppaVic_ -> PoppaVic 08:30:00 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 09:37:29 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 10:07:04 hi everyone 10:07:53 Hi, crc. 10:21:26 --- quit: rsync_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:31:36 --- join: virl (i=core@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 11:34:49 --- join: snoopy_1711 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-186-045.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:36:54 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 11:43:07 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11:43:08 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 11:59:48 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 13:57:25 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool67-186.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 14:13:10 --- join: nballen (n=nballen@adsl-69-111-248-132.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) joined #forth 14:18:19 --- join: Topaz (n=top@spc1-horn1-6-0-cust128.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) joined #forth 14:31:09 --- quit: Cheery ("Leaving") 14:37:01 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 14:50:35 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 15:13:17 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 16:08:23 --- quit: Topaz ("Leaving") 16:32:23 --- quit: nballen (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:32:23 --- quit: Robert (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:32:30 --- quit: SunDragon (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:32:30 --- quit: ccfg (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:36:27 --- join: nballen (n=nballen@adsl-69-111-248-132.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net) joined #forth 16:37:02 --- join: Robert (n=robert@unaffiliated/robert) joined #forth 16:37:02 --- join: SunDragon (i=ben@leb-cr1-220-16.peak.org) joined #forth 16:37:02 --- join: ccfg (n=ccfg@80.220.176.66) joined #forth 16:47:12 --- quit: ccfg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:49:30 --- join: ccfg (n=ccfg@dsl-roigw3-feb0dc00-66.dhcp.inet.fi) joined #forth 16:52:24 --- quit: SunDragon (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:52:25 --- quit: Robert (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:52:30 --- join: SunDragon (i=ben@leb-cr1-220-16.peak.org) joined #forth 16:52:33 --- join: Robert (n=robert@unaffiliated/robert) joined #forth 17:36:55 --- join: TheBlueWizard (i=TheBlueW@ts001d0741.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) joined #forth 18:17:24 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 18:32:49 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 19:37:12 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 19:38:12 Morning. 19:38:23 evening :) 19:38:26 how are you? 19:39:16 Not too bad, just woke up. 20:02:57 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 21:26:11 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 21:26:25 Hi again, snowrichard. 21:26:36 * Robert just got a working mail setup. 21:26:44 --- quit: snowrichard (Client Quit) 21:26:51 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 21:27:50 --- quit: snowrichard (Client Quit) 21:33:31 --- quit: swalters (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:33:42 --- join: swalters_ (n=swalters@6532183hfc82.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.12.24