00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.12.09 00:06:21 --- quit: amca ("d34d") 02:16:23 --- join: amca (n=plump@as-bri-3-194.ozonline.com.au) joined #forth 02:47:50 --- quit: JokeR69 (Remote closed the connection) 03:13:19 --- quit: amca ("d34d") 03:58:18 --- quit: swalters_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:26:51 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 04:56:56 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool65-98.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:19:07 --- join: amca (n=plump@as-bri-3-83.ozonline.com.au) joined #forth 05:43:00 --- nick: Raystm2 -> nanstm 05:46:12 --- join: swalters_ (n=swalters@6532183hfc82.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 06:06:49 --- join: segher (n=segher@dslb-084-056-167-123.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 07:51:25 --- quit: amca ("d34d") 08:06:21 --- join: sproingie (n=chuck@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 09:00:15 --- join: PoppaVic_ (n=pete@0-3pool158-16.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 09:03:00 --- quit: PoppaVic (Nick collision from services.) 09:03:06 --- nick: PoppaVic_ -> PoppaVic 09:19:42 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 09:24:24 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@c-71-192-20-4.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:24:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 10:22:39 --- quit: swalters_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:59:25 --- join: Robert (n=robert@unaffiliated/robert) joined #forth 12:34:47 Hey, all. 12:34:50 hi Quartus :) 12:34:59 Hi. What's up? 12:35:04 * JasonWoof dashes downstairs for food 12:36:06 Hi. 12:39:49 I'm trying to finish up my work before I go off for the weekend 12:39:55 going up to NH to see a good friend there 12:40:25 Sounds nice. :) 13:01:41 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool73-97.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 13:02:03 Hi. 13:03:41 --- join: docl (n=docl@67-51-244-38.bras01.mcl.id.frontiernet.net) joined #forth 13:04:00 Hi. 13:04:25 hi Robert 13:05:13 howdy 13:05:30 hiya PoppaVic 13:06:05 Well, the code progresses - so does the physical pain today - but that's another issue 13:07:04 what've you been coding lately PV? 13:07:42 * docl has been working on parsing in retro 13:07:44 Still working the Metabuilder project, but I had to back waaaay down to an ini.[ch] source 13:08:58 what's that? looks like asm 13:09:28 Due to a really perverse desire to demand no more than 2 languages of the user, this would feed configurators and those would assist to build a C-based, forthish-shell. 13:09:52 why 2? 13:09:55 There are so damned many issues, you can almost "pick yer issue" 13:10:12 JasonWoof: our 'sh' variant, and your 13:10:42 my whatever? 13:10:46 you mean herkforth? 13:10:46 I can suffer the concept of "admin may need to tweak config" 13:10:53 yeah, languages 13:11:01 n onono 13:11:22 JasonWoof: this is sorta' a user-intended endrun of autoshit 13:11:57 I can live w/ "autoshit means system-install" 13:12:21 ..but, on the whole, GNU Autotools are worse than a C'er learning to suffer Forths 13:12:41 autoshit... could take care of that with Depends 13:12:44 ;) 13:12:57 yeppers 13:12:57 hehe 13:13:15 good call :P 13:13:45 PoppaVic: do you have a name for your replacement for auto*? 13:13:58 Ideally, the Metabuilder-Package would compile via plain-old C; and installs would include a decent binary and database-infeed 13:14:48 JasonWoof: Best I can tell, (from years of forth), is it's just "MetaBuilder" - with a penchant for making shit C-compatible. 13:14:51 * JasonWoof wonders if PoppaVic will call his project "autoshit" 13:15:05 I have that dir and old files ;-) 13:15:11 seems like these kinds of solutions are only needed for problems that are the result of kludgy half-baked code to start with 13:15:14 actually, "antiauoshit" 13:15:25 docl: not even remotely 13:15:37 metabuilder seems a misnomer 13:15:42 at least as far as I understand it 13:15:49 The prob is almost entirely half-assed specs 13:16:21 as it's not something that builds itself 13:16:21 JasonWoof: the forthish 'sh' replacement will replace 'make' - we need SOMETHING consistent. 13:16:37 all you need is a consistent input and an output. everything else is changeable 13:16:53 Yeah, I've no intention in writing sh to write asm to work with C - or whatever 13:17:03 docl: bingo 13:17:07 that's why stack diagrams work in absence of other pseudo-code 13:17:22 docl: vaguely 13:17:28 ..hopefully 13:17:32 ..with luck 13:17:43 the INTENT is there, though 13:18:34 I was taught in class to make input-processing-output charts to develop an algorithm. you always start with the input and output, then fill in the processing part when you have a clear idea what you're working with 13:18:56 sure: I hope it was ascii 13:19:11 not exactly, more like a table in office 13:19:17 but ascii is fine really 13:19:26 ..and, other than that "what 'inputs' versus which 'feedbacks'? 13:19:53 office is office - I don't care to go there. Ascii works OK 13:20:05 my translation of this concept is put it on three lines of ascii in monospace 13:20:34 I'll have to worry about a website and such when I get some guts up. 13:21:06 My biggy is: "Let distro use autoshit: no one else need bother" 13:21:39 (which - sub 1: is pretty much the 'tude of auto* authors) 15:32:34 --- log: started forth/05.12.09 15:32:34 --- join: clog (i=nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 15:32:34 --- topic: 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language, simplicity, and a variety of technical subjects. The rules are simple: don't spam, troll, or speak English, please.' 15:32:34 --- topic: set by zoly on [Wed Dec 07 10:54:17 2005] 15:32:34 --- names: list (clog amca @crc Snoopy42 madwork sproingie_ _I440r segher_ ccfg Jim7J1AJ1 tathi slava64 crispexi ianp nanstm humulus Ray_work _james Quartus warpzero skylan OrngeTide madgarden Robert @JasonWoof docl saon cmeme) 15:33:29 I've been doing a lot of string processing stuff, I'm pondering if it'd look better in a lisp-ish format 15:33:40 i find string processing much easier with gc 15:34:53 hmm. maybe I should try making a gc'd area for the string processing 15:35:59 gc as in garbage collection? 15:36:14 * docl assumes so :) 15:36:31 yes 15:37:48 Which gc schemes do ppl here prefer? 15:38:12 factor uses a generational copying collector. eventually i'm going to use an incremental read barrier collector 15:38:31 of course if you want to keep things simple, there's stop-and-copy, and mark-n-sweep. 15:39:33 --- join: akebono (i=fujiwara@218.231.249.68.eo.eaccess.ne.jp) joined #forth 15:39:34 Quote: The first time I read an excellent work, it is to me just as if I gained a new friend; and when I read over a book I have perused before, it resembles the meeting of an old one. -- George Gissing 15:40:59 --- quit: akebono (Client Quit) 15:41:31 Heard of the last one. I need to read up on the previous ones 15:41:46 I only knew mark-and-sweep and ref counting 15:44:22 ref counting is not very useful 15:45:11 it has poor performance and doesn't handle circular structures 15:45:13 From what I have read it seems to be only useful as a quick hack 15:57:11 --- quit: amca ("d34d") 16:30:42 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 16:37:39 --- quit: ccfg (Remote closed the connection) 16:37:43 --- join: ccfg (n=ccfg@dsl-roigw3-feb0dc00-66.dhcp.inet.fi) joined #forth 17:58:59 --- nick: sproingie_ -> sproingie 18:11:25 --- nick: nanstm -> Raystm2 18:25:50 --- quit: cmeme (SendQ exceeded) 18:28:52 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 18:58:48 --- quit: cmeme ("Client terminated by server") 18:59:47 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:01:09 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:02:07 --- join: swalters_ (n=swalters@6532183hfc82.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 19:02:08 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:03:30 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:04:29 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:05:51 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:06:50 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:08:13 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:09:11 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:10:33 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:11:32 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:12:55 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:13:53 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:15:16 --- quit: cmeme (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:16:14 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:17:37 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:18:36 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:19:58 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:20:18 --- quit: docl (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19:20:57 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:21:14 --- join: docl (n=docl@67-51-244-38.bras01.mcl.id.frontiernet.net) joined #forth 19:22:19 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:23:18 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:24:40 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:25:06 hmm, cmeme is acting up again... 19:25:39 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:26:16 Yes. 19:27:01 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:28:01 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:28:46 should I ban it for a while? 19:29:23 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:29:26 I wouldn't mind. 19:29:39 ok 19:29:50 Not that it would help me a lot, it's in #hamradio too. 19:30:02 I can't help there :( 19:30:10 it's getting annoying here though... 19:30:14 It's fine, I'll survive. :) 19:30:17 :) 19:30:20 Could always do an /ignore 19:30:21 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:30:41 that works for now 19:31:44 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:32:42 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:34:05 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:35:03 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:36:26 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:37:24 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:38:47 --- quit: cmeme (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:38:55 --- join: JokeR69 (i=LNIX@12-208-98-237.client.insightBB.com) joined #forth 19:39:46 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:41:08 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:42:07 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:43:29 --- quit: cmeme (Connection reset by peer) 19:44:28 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:45:50 --- quit: cmeme (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:46:49 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:48:11 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:49:10 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:50:32 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:51:31 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:52:53 --- quit: cmeme (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:53:52 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:55:15 --- quit: cmeme (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:56:13 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:57:36 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 19:58:34 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 19:59:57 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 20:00:55 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 20:02:18 --- quit: cmeme (Client Quit) 20:03:16 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 20:12:41 --- quit: cmeme (Remote closed the connection) 20:14:21 --- join: cmeme (n=cmeme@boa.b9.com) joined #forth 20:23:58 cmeme, that's really annoying. 20:24:12 cmeme is a bot 20:24:22 A really annoying one. 20:28:52 --- mode: crc set +b *!*@*.b9.com 20:28:52 --- kick: cmeme was kicked by crc (crc) 20:29:06 kicked out for a while now 20:29:41 this is the second time I've had to kick it out due to it's lousy ability to stay connected 20:31:54 Somehow I don't miss it. What does it do? 20:32:04 logs the channel at http://meme.b9.com 20:32:06 one of two logger bots for this channel 20:32:12 clog is the other 20:32:42 http://bespin.org/~nef/logs/forth/ for clog's logs 20:33:48 i wonder what a smalltalk environment written in the same minimalistic style as retroforth would be like 20:35:13 I'd be very much interested in seeing that. 20:35:41 that'd be awesome 21:33:03 --- quit: crc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:28:14 --- nick: _I440r -> I440r 23:16:48 --- quit: swalters_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:22:16 --- quit: sproingie (Remote closed the connection) 23:38:27 --- join: swalters_ (n=swalters@6532183hfc82.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.12.09