00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.11.30 00:12:49 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 00:20:39 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 00:47:22 --- quit: JasonWoof ("off to bed in my own bed!") 00:55:24 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 00:55:46 hi 01:08:34 --- quit: crc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:52:02 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 02:01:27 --- join: amca (n=plump@as-bri-3-118.ozonline.com.au) joined #forth 02:02:12 Hello ppls 02:13:18 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 02:13:27 --- join: amca_ (n=plump@as-bri-3-65.ozonline.com.au) joined #forth 02:15:34 HI 02:16:07 is it warm in au? 02:16:09 Hello 02:16:15 Yep. Humid here too 02:16:17 cold here :) 02:16:24 Where are you? 02:16:32 texas 02:16:58 Ah. 02:17:08 It doesnt snow in texas does it? 02:17:13 almost got to go to Perth once 02:17:22 rare snow 02:17:41 when it does its a disaster no one know how to drive in it 02:17:49 hehe 02:17:59 close schools 02:18:01 Must be weather like Canberra here in Australia then 02:18:17 is that north/south ? 02:19:01 South 02:19:13 Near the snow fields of Australia 02:19:13 but the north is warmer/ 02:19:17 ? 02:19:28 Yep 02:19:48 I live in Queensland. I guess Qld to be like the US's Florida 02:19:49 I spent 9 months in the Indian ocean once 02:20:19 about equidistant from India, Iran, and Persian Gulf 02:21:09 What was you doing there? 02:21:25 on an US Navy Aircraft Carrier, CVN-69 02:21:53 the N is for nuclear powered 02:22:07 Ah 02:22:09 but they say it is for "Nimitz" class ;) 02:22:14 hehe 02:22:29 because CVN-68 was the first one built 02:23:04 ours was the USS Eisenhower 02:23:22 we called it IKE 02:23:41 have you done any database programming OT I know but 02:23:47 In the Navy, where you can sail the 7 seas eh? 02:23:54 Village People :) 02:24:10 yep 02:24:12 Sorry ;) 02:24:46 Very little DB coding except for a little Access VB once >.> 02:24:49 I've made a diagram for a project I am thinking of doing to keep my hand in -- http://richardsnow.net/literacy.html 02:25:05 similar to a real project I had at a job once 02:25:09 * amca_ looks 02:25:46 Running on both threads of chat at once, can I ask what you did in the navy? 02:26:09 Computer Operations, Ops department, Antisub warfare module 02:26:55 of course the computer repair techs said "a monkey could do your job " :) 02:26:57 oooh! Sweet! 02:26:57 Are you allowed to talk much about it? 02:27:12 I can't remember the classified details anyway 02:27:31 basically programmed flight data recorders and read them back 02:27:32 lol 02:27:39 hmm 02:27:53 and backup backup backup 02:28:07 hehe 02:28:21 So you have good backup habits compared to the average joe then? 02:28:42 and then one day my idiot boss said he "cleaned" all the backup tapes. the machine did a "read-after-write" verify 02:29:10 "Cleaned"? 02:29:16 What was it writing? 02:29:30 it had a glass razor blade to scrape crud off of the tapes and see if they were usable 02:29:41 Holy! 02:29:50 usually you could cut off the damaged part and use the rest of the reel 02:30:07 So what is the core use for the db? 02:30:14 on the diagram? 02:30:27 that the diagram describes 02:31:39 the operation where I worked was in Houston. People called 228-1800, the operator entered the students name and such, and looked up a learning center near them where they go to learn to read. For the purposes of the grant accountability you needed to track contact hours and student progress at the end of the year. 02:31:56 and tutor hours 02:32:28 Ah 02:32:33 but there were 40 + agencies that did this type of thing and each only should have access to thier own students 02:32:45 Who would have access to the info? 02:33:05 administrators at each learning center/provider/city agency/state/national 02:33:23 * amca_ nods 02:33:38 statistical summaries would not have any identifiable student data 02:33:50 That way the students dont have to go running around all the agencies, or the agencies dont have to go running around each other? 02:33:52 other than the key 02:34:13 they generally went to one nearest them, or on the bus line they used 02:34:59 often they were in libraries or churches 02:35:38 * amca_ nods 02:35:54 the agency still exists but I stopped working there in 94. 02:35:59 --- quit: amca (Nick collision from services.) 02:36:05 --- nick: amca_ -> amca 02:36:31 they were doing the db on a VAX, which is obsolete now, and the software was proprietary and expensive 02:36:42 What did you have to program into flight recorders? I thought they just took the data from the planes electronics and recorded? 02:36:45 ouch 02:36:46 yeah 02:36:56 A Linux/etc ver would be better 02:37:24 the recorder loaded the program into the planes system also had "briefing" data about mission plan 02:37:39 then recorded sub tracks, sonoboy drops, navigation 02:38:13 they had an audio recording system that was a big multitrack tape with a glass reel about 2 feet in diameter 02:38:25 heaby 02:38:27 heavy 02:38:38 Why glass? 02:38:46 not sure 02:38:56 its the governmet 02:39:13 Because it can break easily and not be salvaged by the enemy perhaps? 02:39:31 they used Fast Fourier transforms to plot the spectra of the sub noise 02:39:45 cool 02:40:07 but the plotter used an electric arc. it gave me a headache 02:40:14 And you compared the breifing data with the actual data to check its accuracy? 02:40:19 ouch 02:40:46 I didn't really look at the data other than a summary page which I printed and taped on the tape to identify it 02:40:59 Ah 02:41:07 Others had that job eh 02:41:29 they would call me on the intercom and say Pdip 1G1 and that's all I needed to know 02:41:41 (mission key) 02:42:43 when the tapes failed, I sometimes had to open them up and thread the tape back onto the reel, read it and then file a maintenance report that said it was broken :) 02:43:21 they were in a metal pressurised container 02:43:36 nowadays they use solid state 02:43:43 (ram) 02:44:59 you could probably google Viking S3A and get a picture of the plane 02:45:53 http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-349155.html 02:46:08 this one is a tanker, they modified it for the asw mission 02:46:48 had 4 crew seats 02:49:04 http://steelnavy.com/WEM350NimitzAC.htm 02:49:09 here the actual asw plane 02:49:15 for nimitz 02:49:17 --- join: amca_ (n=plump@as-bri-4-1-236.ozonline.com.au) joined #forth 02:49:45 sorry, d/c's 02:49:48 you here twice? 02:50:00 they would call me on the intercom and say Pdip 1G1 and that's all I needed to know 02:50:00 snowrichard (mission key) 02:50:00 snowrichard when the tapes failed, I sometimes had to open them up and thread the tape back onto the reel, read it and then file a maintenance report that said it was broken :) 02:50:00 snowrichard they were in a metal pressurised container 02:50:00 snowrichard nowadays they use solid state 02:50:01 snowrichard (ram) 02:50:03 snowrichard you could probably google Viking S3A and get a picture of the plane 02:50:04 What did I miss? 02:50:05 (dc'd) 02:50:07 snowrichard http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-349155.html 02:50:09 snowrichard this one is a tanker, they modified it for the asw mission 02:50:11 snowrichard had 4 crew seats 02:50:13 snowrichard http://steelnavy.com/WEM350NimitzAC.htm 02:50:15 snowrichard here the actual asw plane 02:50:21 snowrichard for nimitz 02:50:34 --- quit: amca (Nick collision from services.) 02:50:40 I smoked to much. out again 02:50:41 --- nick: amca_ -> amca 02:51:39 link to pic of the actual plane 02:51:44 steelnavy 02:51:47 * amca reads what he missed 02:52:20 is this getting logged? I'll get chewed out for being OT :) 02:52:45 Oooh! Vikings! I know them! :) 02:52:53 yeah 02:52:59 Im into military aviation a bit 02:53:11 F-3s or something are they? 02:53:15 I actually stepped inside one and took a look around 02:53:22 Ah 02:53:24 S-3 02:53:25 S3A 02:53:30 What does "S" mean again? 02:53:33 now its C I think 02:53:42 Sub search? 02:53:45 Ah. Cargo? 02:53:53 * amca nods 02:53:56 they used them for mail and for hunting subs 02:54:10 they had a 12 hour flying range 02:54:12 So both C and S I suppose 02:54:18 to get to diego garcias 02:54:37 C the revision S3C 02:54:50 newer electronics 02:55:04 probably same airframe 02:55:10 They probably use othe rcraft for S and mainly use them for C now eh? 02:55:26 Ah 02:55:26 ok 02:55:26 IC 02:55:31 I thought you means the plane type :) 02:55:31 yep 02:55:48 Shit, thats gotta be over 20 years old airframes now 02:56:15 they are still building new ones 02:56:28 Lockheed 02:56:40 What is the nickname for the S3's? 02:56:56 don't remember having one. I didn't fly though 02:57:20 except once on an H-3 02:57:45 AhViking 02:57:45 Sorry 02:57:45 Breain dead 02:57:48 that was quite a story too 02:57:52 The E-3 is the Defender isnt it? 02:58:05 Really? Hmm 02:58:12 Lockheed is the company eh? 02:58:20 we had E2-C for monitoring radio traffic (Hawkeye 02:58:42 Lockheed-Martin or something? 02:58:42 H is for? 02:58:44 and radars 02:58:56 yeah l-m now I guess 02:59:09 What did your boat use for electronic warfare craft? 02:59:12 my brother works for Raytheon. He programs the missiles 02:59:21 the E2-C was the EW 02:59:53 Raytheon (when it was E-Systems) would not hire me 03:00:11 not even interview 03:01:11 of course neither would IBM, AMD, Intel, Koch Energey, Marshall Pottery, the local gas station. ..... 03:01:12 --- join: crc (n=crc@pool-70-110-187-25.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 03:01:21 hey crd 03:01:22 crc 03:02:46 --- quit: amca (Nick collision from services.) 03:03:01 --- join: amca_ (n=plump@as-bri-4-1-12.ozonline.com.au) joined #forth 03:03:24 --- nick: amca_ -> amca 03:03:30 get dumped again? 03:04:02 What did your boat use for electronic warfare craft? 03:04:02 snowrichard my brother works for Raytheon. He programs the missiles 03:04:02 snowrichard the E2-C was the EW 03:04:02 snowrichard Raytheon (when it was E-Systems) would not hire me 03:04:02 snowrichard not even interview 03:04:03 snowrichard of course neither would IBM, AMD, Intel, Koch Energey, Marshall Pottery, the local gas station. ..... 03:04:06 * amca screams 03:04:08 yep 03:04:12 fecking ISP 03:04:34 my mom just got a new one she loves. Wireless (fixed antenna) broadband 03:05:00 GoZoe or something like that. Local outfit 03:05:12 Lockheed is the company eh? 03:05:13 except once on an H-3 03:05:15 Lockheed-Martin or something? 03:05:17 H is for? 03:05:19 What did your boat use for electronic warfare craft? 03:05:24 oops 03:05:26 sorry - you must have typed that when I copied 03:06:11 my coffee is cold. think I'll go warm it up. 03:06:37 Why wouldnt Raytheon not hire you? 03:07:05 wpouldnt = would 03:08:12 code on my Navy discharge about fraudlent enlistment (sexual orientation) --- but I have changed that. 03:08:54 I had gotten a head injury and was put in a a psych ward. 03:09:10 told doctor about being molested when I was 17 03:09:31 O_O 03:09:44 Are you gay? 03:09:48 No more 03:10:00 was married 13 years 03:10:08 have a son 03:10:52 I have a funny song playing on my shoutcast stream: look for "Cell block tango" here: http://richardsnow.net/playlist/index.php 03:11:01 No more? Interesting. 03:11:15 I dont have audio runing yet in Linux :/ 03:11:18 don't think its possible? 03:11:25 to change? 03:11:39 big controversy about that now 03:11:45 I dont think sexuality is a black as "gay" or "not gay". 03:12:02 I think sexuality is what gender you are sexually attracted to, not who you sleep with 03:12:06 had I not been molested I would never have done that I think 03:12:32 black = black and white 03:13:17 It is my personal opinion that the range of sexual attraction ranges from 0% gay/100% hetro to 100% gay/0% hetro. 03:13:22 What do you think of my ideas? 03:14:34 my sister called me 03:14:46 now -- yeah nothing is black and white 03:15:10 What do you mean by "now"? 03:15:22 never mind. nonsequiter 03:15:23 As in your sister called you now? 03:15:25 ah 03:15:26 :) 03:15:29 k 03:16:16 What computer langs do you like to code in? 03:16:21 even if I still considered myself bisexual I am not sexually active. Having relationships when you have a mental illness can be tough to handle too. my ex-wife was also mentally ill. 03:16:44 but anyway I like PHP, C 03:17:01 What bd you thinking of coding for? 03:21:52 bd = db 03:44:45 --- join: Rickdangerous (n=tigris@85.103.215.77) joined #forth 03:53:26 --- join: akebono (i=fujiwara@218.231.206.209.eo.eaccess.ne.jp) joined #forth 03:53:26 Quote: A book worth reading is worth buying. -- John Ruskin 04:09:31 --- quit: homeness (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:23:10 --- quit: swa__ers_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:39:22 --- quit: Rickdangerous () 04:53:19 --- quit: akebono ("Leaving") 05:28:48 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-1pool47-180.nas30.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:31:27 Hi PoppaVic 05:31:33 Howdy 05:31:57 * PoppaVic will have to race around the house in a few minutes 05:32:07 What you been a workin on? 05:32:29 still working on that file-format, trying to get some feedback via mail from folks 05:33:08 heh 05:33:26 http://rafb.net/paste/results/tLFPvK71.html 05:33:46 Above is latest incarnation, and I think it's about done. 05:34:10 Any further changes seem to be predicated on feedback from folks 05:34:27 Did IU get you to email it to me? 05:34:44 hmm... I thought I had sent the lot, yeah 05:35:04 if you don't have it, just use my email in the file to remind me. 05:37:01 you sent the original guess.c 05:37:22 How long ago? I've not changed the code yet to match the new fmt 05:37:31 amca? 05:38:17 If I could stomach lexx & yacc, I'd use them to cobble up the stupid parser. 05:38:44 yep 05:38:44 PoppaVic: ok 05:38:46 metabuilder 0.4.0 05:38:49 ahh 05:39:14 ok, it's only 0.4.3 right now - no code changes in a week, just this file. 05:40:51 ok 05:41:21 But, unless someone sees something seriously munged, I plan to start the new parser today. 05:42:42 should actually be easier, since there is a uniform "function-interface" now. I do want folks to feedback on some of the "issues" I added to the leader-comments 05:43:36 ok, brb - lemme' get all the trash out 05:43:37 Ill look if my ISP ever dl's it 05:47:23 k 05:48:15 PoppaVic: Yeah, I like it compared to earlier ones 05:48:15 Meantime I ought to run off 05:49:00 --- quit: amca ("d34d") 05:50:05 my wm is acting strangely. mystery reboot time 05:51:10 whew - it's BRISK out there 05:52:33 --- quit: snowrichard (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:05:32 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:18:48 No heater in my car. 06:19:12 yeah.. like 26 out there.. My nuts nearly fell off, taking out the trash 06:20:24 NO Heater? I had a wreck because of cold weather , high humidity and broken AC once. 06:20:41 fogged window (electric) couldn't roll it down 06:20:56 * PoppaVic chortles, remembering his heatless bug ;-) 06:21:02 VW? 06:21:22 liked those once upon a time. parents had a bug and a microbus 06:22:32 so now my Kia has manual windows, and the A/C and Heat under warranty still 06:23:51 Powerwindows are a "luxury" (I have 'em), but I can't say I love 'wm... ANd I miss my goddamned vent-win, like we all used to have. 06:24:11 I lost a T-Bird engine to a broken heater coil and loss of fluid. 06:24:19 otoh, it IS nice to trigger the rear-vents remotely. 06:25:11 i just drop the driver window a crack 06:25:29 to suck out the smoke 06:25:58 actually my ears hurt if I don't open passenger side an equal amount 06:26:09 pressure changes 06:26:44 need to make a store run 06:27:00 s'ok 06:30:01 hehe 06:30:31 I crack the window behind me so that the in coming air won't blow in from my window as I vent smoke. 06:31:46 I miss vents 06:31:55 me too. 06:32:24 well, damn.. I guess I need to start writing this beast. 06:32:36 Get'em PoppaVic!! :) 06:33:16 Need to start reading of: http://rafb.net/paste/results/tLFPvK71.html 06:33:37 ..complete reorganization of code, and prolly a lib as well *sigh* 06:35:40 manual window can't reach rear ones 06:36:15 what sort of code? 06:37:21 hmm? The parser, the database stuff, the tests, etc, etc 06:37:25 see the url 06:37:36 is this channell logged? had a long discussion in here last night only slightly related forth and then took it private 06:37:52 ..I'm working up a better configuration-system to support a metabuilder-shell I plan. 06:37:56 oh. 06:38:07 see msg 06:39:02 I figured this fmt was as dead-simple as possible, and the metashell will use a forthish-variant. 06:41:04 I saved it not sure I understand all atm 06:41:25 you want parser in forth? gcc? 06:41:56 so'k, feel free to read/study/comment.. I just can't think of anything more easy to follow than the ancient INI fmt, and it's just got to be _simple_ 06:42:06 no, I'm writing gcc for it 06:42:55 plan to use to build linux distro? other software 06:42:56 ?> 06:43:25 I figure that, optimally, admin would build the program(s) and set up his OWN INI - altering our default as required. Users and such will be able to add their own INI, and any project can do so as well. 06:44:21 my target is to write a set of tools which are as *nix portable as possible, not really _replacing_ autotools, but offering us all a systemic, managed, SIMPLE method to build packages 06:45:01 I had thoughts of building my own package manager primarily to manage building LFS.... I'll read your data file 06:45:29 Even if you can think of new tests - and where they belong - THAT would be a help. 06:45:45 wanna put an article on wiki at test.richardsnow.net ? 06:45:48 I've got several dozen tests being run by the program itself, as well. 06:46:09 ..umm, I can try - what's the complete url? 06:46:18 http://test.richardsnow.net 06:46:23 (at least I can bookmark it) 06:46:28 link at the bottom 06:46:43 loading 06:46:46 you get to see me and my cat's on the splash page ;) 06:47:05 oh, lord.. I got 'nuf cats this winter 06:47:20 have three and think she got buns in the oven 06:47:46 the two in pics are male 06:47:46 I think we now have... 12? Something like that 06:48:09 in the country I hope. Animal Welfare would get after you in the city I think 06:48:27 I despise cities 06:48:37 I am in small town 06:48:51 its half of a hyphenated MSA 06:48:59 this is a farm, so the only issue is food and not tripping over them, or breaking up fights as req. 06:49:20 Longview-Marshall 2 county area 06:49:22 hmm... I don't see the link? 06:49:37 http://richardsnow.net/index.php should get it 06:50:14 ok, trying that instead 06:50:25 404 06:50:27 http://richardsnow.net/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php 06:50:34 subdirectory missing 06:51:19 debian default apache install is fubared in my opinion. Goes to index at apache2-default subdir 06:51:50 well a glitch 06:51:51 ahh 06:52:33 OK, bookmarked - I'll have to get to it as I get this new code cleaner. 06:52:56 Well I'll read the stuff you put up in the pastebin. I saved it 06:53:06 Thanks. 06:53:22 try my own code if I understand it 06:53:45 though I think I'd parse it and stuff it into a mysql db 06:54:20 Yeah, I never got any SQL shit installed and working properly. 06:54:29 save source in SVN or CVS 06:54:35 I plan to employ ndbm.h 06:54:56 berkeley db? 06:54:58 ..since POSIX supports ndbm, w/o further ado 06:55:22 not familiar with that header 06:55:29 I think it means "new dbm" - which is just a new interface to dbopen 06:56:16 Since we only keep the database around during an actual build, and I do NOT want to require/import multiple 3rd-part libs. 06:56:47 was thinking more about a distribution repository for the mysql part 06:57:19 download server 06:57:20 I think I'll prolly have to add more to the admin-INI, just to comment/doc the stuff that the program itself gathers. 06:58:15 live cd with client --> server with source code packages 06:58:35 now yer just confuzzling my focus ;-) 06:58:57 I've been up to long getting spacey -- its part of being schizophrenic 06:58:59 But, anyway - feel free to email or yak at me as you cogitate the ini 07:00:03 you in here pretty much 24/7 looks like 07:00:13 my god no 07:00:41 I generally get linked around 6-8 am and run for oh, 3-8 hours 07:00:46 I just see you logged in a lot 07:00:55 time zone 07:00:59 ? 07:01:11 Yeah, I join daily as possible. S'not like I have any "friends" 07:01:20 NY/MI time 07:01:32 1 ahead of CST6CDT 07:01:33 it's currently 1006 07:01:38 9;01 07:01:45 cool 07:02:26 I try to get offline by no later than 3or 4pm, so Ma' can get any family-calls. 07:02:38 (naturally, most call when she wants to go to bed) 07:02:44 I'm supposed to be syncing with NTPD when I boot so I hope mine is correct ;) 07:03:07 I live alone and have DSL so phone is not an issue 07:03:08 could be, never figured out the synch, and I like a +5 universe 07:03:26 heh - bastards are about 100yds too far away for dsl 07:03:58 my Mom just got Vonage on her wireless broadband. Got the wireless because it was brand new and she's just out of range of cable and dsl 07:04:19 wireless works great 07:04:36 I figure, with the fact I am not really a "server", that anything past dialup is just a waste of money. 07:05:02 I would not mind being the installer for that he had a cool setup. Wireless antenna on his truck for testing, with a laptop 07:05:17 Had I gotten the DSL working, yeah: We'd planned to set up a wireless-router for the whole house 07:05:38 she has the antenna plugged into a wireless linksys 07:05:47 yep 07:05:51 my dads computer is wired, the other over air 07:06:07 otoh, I'd have to have spent too much for the wifi module in the powerbook 07:06:30 mac? 07:06:30 ANyway... I'm gonna' dive on this code. 07:06:32 pricey? 07:06:34 ok 07:06:47 yeah, a 12" powerbook G4 07:06:58 about 2x what it couldpossibly beworth 07:07:12 my brother programs power-pc chips for missile guidance 07:07:34 if I recall right 07:07:35 I'll never buy another apple. 07:07:50 I sold a program to Steve Jobs once 07:07:57