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07:02:04 <PoppaVic> Hmm..
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09:19:12 <virl> hi humulus_
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10:25:47 <snowrichard> hi PoppaVic how's it going? 
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11:18:22 <madwork> Somehow, for some reason, I've created a circular stack of 3D turtles.
11:23:49 <tathi> :)
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11:58:06 <snowrichard> make them all march off a cliff like lemmings :) 
11:59:01 <madwork> heh, er well... they're not that kind of turtle. ;)
11:59:14 <snowrichard> logo?
11:59:30 <madwork> Yea!
11:59:36 <snowrichard> that was a graphics programming language for kids that used a turtle
11:59:47 <madwork> Yep.
12:00:06 <madwork> Turtle is a great method for abstracting graphics drawing.
12:00:47 <snowrichard> forward 10 turn -5 repeat 10
12:00:59 <madwork> Yep.
12:01:14 <madwork> My turtle has pitch, yaw, and roll.
12:01:21 <madwork> As well as forward/back, left/right, up/down.
12:01:45 <madwork> Also, colour and radius.
12:01:53 <madwork> And I can push/pop the state of the turtle for use in drawing "rods."
12:02:04 <madwork> Or just for returning to a saved position/orientation.
12:02:28 <snowrichard> I never did any graphics programming.  Not being able to see colors makes it difficult
12:02:42 <snowrichard> "color by number: :) 
12:02:45 <madwork> :)
12:02:55 <madwork> Well, you can still handle shapes I'm sure.
12:02:58 <snowrichard> except in basic
12:03:23 <snowrichard> only had 16 colors on that machine
12:03:37 <madwork> C64?
12:03:43 <snowrichard> but it was a bw tv monitor so it didn't makek much diff.  Color computer
12:05:58 <snowrichard> need to go check on my mower -- things can walk away around here :) 
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16:56:36 * memysefni looks aroung
16:56:49 * memysefni sees himself
16:57:39 * memysefni sees themselves
17:00:32 * Raystm2 sees memysefni
17:01:26 <memysefni> all three of us? *<]8)
17:05:13 <Raystm2> :)
17:06:00 <memysefni> I'm a professional FO
17:06:47 <memysefni> All day long I do . . . nothing, trouble is, it's hard to tell when I'm done
17:07:42 <Raystm2> FO?
17:08:08 <memysefni> "screw" off :)
17:08:37 <Raystm2> :)
17:08:39 <Raystm2> got it
17:08:44 <Raystm2> I've been that.
17:08:46 <memysefni> I try not to use "big" four letter words, you never know, christians may be watching
17:08:57 <Raystm2> this is true.
17:09:09 <memysefni> the kids can handle it, heh the christians howerver . . .
17:09:16 <Raystm2> agreed
17:09:43 <memysefni> fuzzy cuffs!! now there's and idea
17:10:00 <Raystm2> hehe your cross posting :)
17:10:19 <Raystm2> your=you're even
17:10:21 <memysefni> I'm also cross-eyed X)
17:10:24 <Raystm2> hehe
17:10:31 <Raystm2> and funny as well.
17:11:23 <memysefni> I'm tryin' out this new irc on winders, it's ok, heh it's free anyhow
17:11:23 <Raystm2> memysefni: you forth?
17:11:40 <memysefni> I'm tryin to learn
17:12:01 <Raystm2> what brand is it. I'm on windows using MeGALiTH's Visual IRC 2.0
17:12:05 <memysefni> once I "learn" it, then I'll know that I only know one forth of it all
17:12:12 <Raystm2> :)
17:12:17 <memysefni> XiRCON
17:12:47 <Raystm2> if you've seen one forth you've seen one forth. 
17:12:53 <memysefni> I tried ice, no workie, and bersirc, nada
17:13:00 <Raystm2> hmm
17:13:03 <Raystm2> what winders
17:13:08 <memysefni> 98
17:13:11 <Raystm2> I see.
17:13:38 <Raystm2> I guess people arn't maintaining older ports as much as they used to.
17:13:39 <memysefni> I'm over at my aunt's house, heh she doesn't hardly ever use her old box
17:14:23 <memysefni> I have a *nix box at home, but I leave this one alone for her
17:14:53 <Raystm2> this version of MeGALiTH's has run on all my windows boxen from '98 on up
17:15:13 <Raystm2> i see.
17:15:20 <memysefni> I saw the dl for that one, I didn't get it, I don't remember why atm
17:15:52 <Raystm2> it's not bad. I've never seen reason to switch.
17:15:58 <memysefni> heh, I just hope this one isn't full of spyware and stuff
17:15:59 <Raystm2> your mileage may vary.
17:16:05 <Raystm2> ya
17:16:36 <Raystm2> So, not working at the moment? What do you do when you do what you do?
17:16:51 <memysefni> I have a windows partition on my box at home, but I don't put it on the internet, only the *nix side gets online
17:17:12 <Raystm2> cool, I understand, that makes pretty good sense.
17:17:20 <memysefni> I am a starving artist, heh although I could stand to loose a little weight
17:17:44 * Raystm2 lost over 70 lbs over about a 5 year period.
17:18:13 <Raystm2> went from about 210 or so to 148.
17:18:17 <memysefni> last time I lost weight, I started jump-roping, guess it's bout time to get the rope back out again
17:18:26 <Raystm2> cool. 
17:18:33 <memysefni> ouch! 148? that's awfull small
17:18:53 <memysefni> when I get down to 180, I look skinny/sick
17:19:28 <Raystm2> I think you are correct, and I'm trying to gain a few. I didn't realize I went this far, as I wadn't weighin' myself very often.
17:19:40 <Raystm2> In fact I was on a truck scale when I noticed. :)
17:20:14 <memysefni> I never did weigh myself, I was measuring with a tape though
17:20:23 <Raystm2> ya
17:21:09 <memysefni> I went from 44 to 36 pants, heh, I was shootin' for 32" but I quit exercising, need to get back to it
17:21:56 <Raystm2> i'm down to the weight i was when i met my wife about 18 years ago, but i can't fit into her pants like i could back then.
17:22:20 <memysefni> hehe
17:23:04 <memysefni> so, you're saying you don't try to get into her pants anymore?
17:23:07 <Raystm2> I was always trying to get into her pants back then.
17:23:13 <Raystm2> hehe
17:23:26 * memysefni sends you for a prostate exam
17:23:40 <Raystm2> trying is over with, doing is more the order of the day.
17:24:08 <memysefni> when I was young, I could screw all night, nowadays, it takes me all night to screw
17:24:15 * Raystm2 needs a prostate exame.
17:24:23 <Raystm2> hahahaha
17:24:41 <Raystm2> No kidding, buddy. I'm with ya there. :)
17:25:26 <memysefni> I remember having to find a fence railing to hold my pecker down while I pissed, that way I wouldn't piss in my own face
17:25:29 * Raystm2 just clicked to the meaning of your nick :)
17:25:41 <Raystm2> hahaah
17:25:47 <memysefni> heh nowdays, I just make a trough out of my nutsack to kepp from pissin on my shoes
17:26:01 <Raystm2> jezzzzzzzzz hehehe
17:26:31 <memysefni> which forth are you using?
17:26:38 <Raystm2> several.
17:26:54 <Raystm2> win32forth, gforth, retroforth....
17:27:00 <memysefni> I'm tryin out a few different ones
17:27:05 <Raystm2> but my altime fav currently is colorforth.
17:27:21 <Raystm2> how's that going?
17:27:24 <memysefni> I havent tried retro yet, but I intend to install it in a couple of days
17:27:43 <memysefni> well, I like gforth the best of the ones I've tried . . . so far
17:27:48 <Raystm2> ya, I'm impressed with crc's work on retro.
17:27:49 <Raystm2> sure.
17:28:05 <Raystm2> he has a chat here as well, = #retro
17:28:18 <Raystm2> he's away just now tho.
17:28:30 <memysefni> yeh, I've got one crossed eye over there ;/
17:28:55 <memysefni> I saw a page for colorforth, but I didn't see any download of it
17:28:58 <Raystm2> yikes /me see's you now, all three of you.
17:29:43 <Raystm2> there are several ports. any of which may or maynot boot or display for you.
17:30:11 <Raystm2> I hope you didn't land on my unannounced and way not finished colorforth.info site.
17:30:20 <memysefni> ahh, I have lfs, debian, and windows partitions at home
17:30:37 <Raystm2> I don't know lfs.
17:30:44 <memysefni> linux from scratch
17:30:49 <Raystm2> ah
17:30:51 <Raystm2> okay.
17:30:52 <memysefni> kinda like gentoo for hardasses
17:31:06 * Raystm2 uses linux ( debian) but rarely for a programmer.]
17:31:09 <memysefni> I need to do a new one though
17:31:19 <Raystm2> i see.
17:32:11 <memysefni> the one I have has the older kernel, the new ones use the >2.6 kernels, heh but you have to have a *nix with that kernel to bootstrap it
17:32:11 * Raystm2 is way to busy to maintain a programming habit, but I find the time when ever i can. I'm obsessed.
17:32:23 <Raystm2> okay, I get that.
17:32:48 <Raystm2> What other languages have you coded?
17:32:51 <memysefni> the last 2 morphix lights I've dled had the newer kernels, so did the knoppix dvd
17:33:05 <memysefni> I may install one of those, or sarge, haven't decided yet
17:33:10 * Raystm2 wants a knoppix dvd.
17:34:00 <Raystm2> stupid me dl'd sarge over a dialup.
17:34:05 <memysefni> last year I did C++ in school, (I HATE that language), it was a community college
17:34:35 <Raystm2> when I was done dling it, I got DSL the very next day and never needed the dl'd image . daaah.
17:34:37 <memysefni> and back in college in the 80's I had basic w/ calculus 1,2,and 3, and pascal
17:35:04 <memysefni> hah! lemme guess, 43 hours?
17:35:05 <Raystm2> Pascal? do you know of Karel The Robot?
17:35:13 <Raystm2> memysefni at least ;)
17:35:18 <memysefni> no, have heard of karl
17:35:41 <memysefni> I downloaded sarge over dialup, then found the whole dvd set in a magazine 3 days latter
17:36:01 <Raystm2> Karel the Robot was by a Carnegie Professor, to teach ComSci students Pascal.
17:36:08 <Raystm2> hahqahaha
17:36:08 <memysefni> ah,
17:36:26 <memysefni> cmu has a nice repository :)
17:36:30 <Raystm2> reason I ask is i just finished a version for colorforth called ChuckBot the Cursor.
17:37:25 <Raystm2> My idea was that Richard Pattis is correct ( he was the prof and author of Karel). 
17:37:40 <Raystm2> you can teach a person how to program with his robot, no prob, 
17:37:41 <Raystm2> BUT
17:38:00 <memysefni> the only other languages I've meesed aroung with that I like are lisp (hard to understand) and python
17:38:01 <Raystm2> With ChuckBot you don't have to hide millions of lines of the program or the OS.
17:38:19 <memysefni> because it is in forth?
17:38:42 <Raystm2> That's the general consensus of new forth finders. Python, Lisp then they come to forth and most never leave.
17:38:43 <Raystm2> no
17:38:49 <Raystm2> because its in colorforth.
17:38:53 <Raystm2> colorforth is an os.
17:39:05 <Raystm2> its extream minimalism.
17:39:28 <memysefni> the "minimalism" of forth is one thing I really like
17:40:02 <Raystm2> a first year compSci student could actually get to know the entire program, the outer os, some assembler, and understand the hardware, all in the first year, if they study with CHuckbot.
17:40:08 <memysefni> these new OS's are getting slower and more bloated with each new release
17:40:18 <Raystm2> YES
17:41:01 <Raystm2> seems to me, that someone who comes to forth from python and lisp. likes interpretive languages and all the benifits they offer.
17:41:10 <memysefni> I have a floppy called "the incredible floppy" ever heard of it?
17:41:25 <Raystm2> not till you just "said" it.
17:41:43 <memysefni> yeh, I like interpretive languages, it's nice not to have to wait on a full compile to know wheter a bit of code works or not
17:42:21 <Raystm2> This Incredable floppy, is that the one where there is a minimal os, browser, editor and such...
17:42:30 <Raystm2> ?
17:42:34 <memysefni> it is a floppy qut out by qnx (iirc) that has a filesystem, web browsing, windows, etc . . on one floppy
17:42:41 <memysefni> yep
17:42:51 <Raystm2> yes, I'm starting to recall that.
17:42:57 <Raystm2> is it by Terry Loveall?
17:43:24 <memysefni> it was done in assembler
17:43:47 <memysefni> I dl'd it from the qnx website
17:43:49 <Raystm2> i see.
17:43:55 * Raystm2 googleing.
17:44:26 <memysefni> really opened my eyes to how much bloat we are suffering
17:44:49 <Raystm2> :)
17:45:02 <Raystm2> have you seen any of Chuck Moore's movies online?
17:45:18 * Raystm2 assumes you know who CM is...
17:45:22 <memysefni> nope, I plan to whenever I get highspeed
17:45:29 <Raystm2> oh right.
17:45:31 <memysefni> yeh, mr forth right
17:45:34 <Raystm2> ya
17:46:09 <Raystm2> well, until you get hi-speed, you could read the transcripts. or even CM's site www.colorforth.com
17:46:28 <Raystm2> reason I ask is that there is much there 'bout bloat.
17:47:54 <Raystm2> His opinions of the current state of software are very valid.
17:48:14 <Raystm2> ( can valid be modified by very???)
17:48:26 <memysefni> I had a C64 back in the 80's, now 64K, I thought that was a lot, so, 64meg, that should be a thousand times better right?
17:48:39 <memysefni> it isn't
17:49:16 <Raystm2> hahaha
17:49:22 <Raystm2> what about 64 gig?
17:50:16 <memysefni> I haven't used a comp with 64g OS, but a full linux install has about 6.5g, still not 10,000 times more advanced than the commodore
17:50:56 <Raystm2> right :) ghahaha
17:51:00 <memysefni> course, most of my linuxes are around 4 gig, cause I don't install everything
17:51:06 <Raystm2> sure.
17:51:54 <memysefni> I'ts pittifull, heh I read an article the other day about how programmers are demonstrating moores law in reverse
17:51:58 <Raystm2> my colorforth floppy, which features that chuckbot and all of my chess games ( including the smallest ever coded chessgame in the world) fits in about 2 or 3 sectors on a floppy.
17:52:07 <Raystm2> hahahaha
17:52:33 <memysefni> I'm at the colorforth site, is this like a live cd/floppy kind of thing?
17:52:51 <Raystm2> the floppy contains a bootable image.
17:53:03 <memysefni> ok
17:53:42 <Raystm2> But you can't just put it on a floopy, with the windows os.
17:53:52 <Raystm2> you have to hack it on to the disk.
17:54:02 <Raystm2> you can't have a dos file system on the disk.
17:54:22 <memysefni> yeh, can grub handle it, or lilo?
17:54:27 <Raystm2> gotta take my son for a ride. brb, 30 min.
17:54:36 <memysefni> later
17:54:54 <Raystm2> um yes, or rawwrite or rawwritewin even
17:55:19 <Raystm2> or if on a windows box you could use debug, chuck explains that methode at his site.
17:55:29 <Raystm2> okay going ;)
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21:57:05 <snowrichard> hi
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