00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.10.30 00:06:29 --- join: swalters (n=swalters@6532183hfc82.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 01:51:37 --- quit: moreCowbell ("That wasn't supposed to happen") 02:33:02 --- join: LuckyPhil (n=philh@CPE-149-167-179-129.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined #forth 03:48:48 --- join: snoopy_17 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-097-242.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 04:09:18 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:09:39 --- nick: snoopy_17 -> Snoopy42 04:11:18 --- quit: LuckyPhil ("leaving") 04:34:40 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 04:41:01 --- join: aum (n=aum@60-234-156-82.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 04:45:49 --- quit: aum (Client Quit) 05:44:44 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 05:49:03 --- quit: saon ("Lost terminal") 05:50:02 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-70-248-103-17.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 05:50:15 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-2pool236-186.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:51:00 Howdy 05:51:20 Hi there PoppaVic. 05:51:29 How goes it, Ray? 05:52:03 Not bad, Just bought several Forth relatated books, waiting for there arriaval. 05:52:21 Cool.. What did you order? 05:52:36 Also, contemplateing harvesting the colorforth mailing list, before it disappears forever. 05:52:39 oh I got. 05:52:46 ... 05:52:49 just a sec :) 05:55:30 --- join: saon (n=saon@c-24-129-89-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 05:55:57 I begin to suspect I shouldfortify myself with a text or two this winter, *sigh*... 05:56:28 * Raystm2 thinking the same 05:57:06 Well, I'm woefully weak on FFI and some compiler/linker issues 05:57:47 * Raystm2 starting to hate the trac-ball. 05:58:07 heh.. I managed to convince 'pforth' to actually build, yesterday. 05:59:24 Turned out the Makefile was expecting an empty, local dir - that hadn't been created; and, (don't ask me why), Gcc was being asked to use C++ 05:59:39 okay, "Forth Applications", "Starting Forth", "Object Oriented Forth: Implementation of Data Structures" "Dr Dobb's Toolbook of Forth, Vol 2" "Threaded Interpretive Languages" 05:59:54 oh nicely done sir!. 06:00:24 * Raystm2 not familiure ( yet ) with pforth. 06:00:25 #2 is really dated; Dr. Dobbs is ancient - and I've both. Who wrote the last? 06:00:49 last = R.G. Loeliger. 06:01:04 ahhh.... I was unaware there was another book. 06:01:12 Still. I want them :) 06:01:14 I'll look for an url 06:01:18 I'm still a newbie. 06:02:23 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:03:12 oh.. v2 was the Toolbook? 06:03:46 yes, is it any help to a newbie? 06:04:38 I dunno if I've v1 or v2 - it's in a box across the room.. It's mostly forth source and some texts - expect typos. If it included a CD, it'd prolly be ok. Dated code is what most is, though 06:05:32 i see. 06:05:47 or "was" - maybe it's been redited/updated? 06:06:16 I'm buying used. 06:06:46 ok, prolly same as mine, then 06:06:53 ya 06:07:20 what dates it. the systems that code will run on? Don't the concepts map to newer systems? 06:08:29 I believe it was written with FIG, F79 and some F83 in mind, for z80's and 6502, etc 06:08:37 * Raystm2 is updateing software, please excuse my absence, I'll be right back. 06:08:49 okay, I see. I don't have those chips... 06:09:08 brb 06:09:11 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 06:12:16 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:15:01 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-70-248-103-17.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:16:53 --- nick: saon -> UncleSaon 06:17:04 --- nick: UncleSaon -> saon 06:22:53 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=Raystm2@adsl-70-248-103-17.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:26:09 am I back? 06:30:00 --- quit: Raystm2_ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 06:31:07 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 06:32:26 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=Raystm2@adsl-70-248-103-17.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:33:31 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:33:47 --- join: Raystm2 (n=Raystm2@adsl-70-248-103-17.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:33:49 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:40:37 Hey, all. 06:43:34 get my email? 06:43:38 Just replied. 06:44:00 cool. :) /me is just doing ( and there it is :) ) some much needed maintainance 06:46:42 * Raystm2 replied back. 06:50:04 Hasn't arrived, oddly. 06:50:43 takes a bit, i guess. 06:51:24 There it is. 06:51:29 email is almost as unpredicable as snail-mail 06:52:46 but at light speed :) 06:54:18 well, just under, anyway. 06:56:16 Sound, maybe. :) 06:57:13 hmm sound = what between 7and8hundred mph? 06:57:20 As I recall. 06:57:46 and you are standing on which piece of the planet? 06:58:11 * Raystm2 = forth wort texas 06:58:31 Toronto, Canada. 06:58:34 oh 76127 = zip for finding the freight rate. 06:58:57 Got it, thanks. I suspect it's the same rate for anywhere in Texas. 06:59:21 * Raystm2 should send a call tag from our work UPS account to get the full discounted rate. 06:59:33 Will that work from Canada? 06:59:46 Yes, should work from anywhere in the world. 06:59:49 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 07:00:37 Ok, I've got Knuth's 3-volume set I'm going to sell off -- can't find the revision number anywhere on them. 07:01:24 is that the algorithms encyclopedia or something of that nature? 07:01:34 Wait, it's on the spine. Second Edition for two of them, presumably first edition for the third. 07:01:52 It's the Art of Computer Programming. Marvellous reference to a vast range of things. 07:02:16 I've been given the gift of a boxed set of them, so I've two. 07:02:22 ( Quartus has found a 'mark' and is cleaning out his bookshelf) :) 07:03:21 I had intended to ebay these, wasn't targeting you -- but if you're interested, let me know. They're in perfect condition, no marks in the text anywhere, no folded corners, etc. 07:03:22 * Raystm2 has no real programming ref. 07:03:36 Knuth is "the" text. 07:03:38 ya i'm deffinately interested. 07:03:39 right 07:03:43 i get that. 07:04:06 Depends on where you want to start, ray. Frankly, getting started I'd recommend linux/*nix books and C. 07:04:14 programmer worth his salt should have that... 07:04:59 They're impressive texts. Lots of discussion with the underlying math. 07:05:28 PoppaVic: thanks for the recommendation. 07:05:56 * Raystm2 has a wall in the bedroom that will be the library for computing. 07:06:11 I have one of those too, though it's in my office. 07:06:12 Raystm2: well, I made the mistake very early on of thinking about dosze/os2 - and those were a major mistake to even consider. 07:06:40 * Raystm2 put a corner desk in the bedroom as my office. 07:07:21 I suspect that learning about *nix, C, and the TIL stuff is prolly as wide-spread/portable as one should suffer 07:07:32 The top shelf of mine is language & algorithm reference, second is programming technique & mathematics, third is history, then a shelf for Forth books, and one for Palm books, marketing, and vintage computers. 07:08:13 PoppaVic: TIL? 07:08:16 oh.. You may - just MAY - want to get the "Goat Book" - on GNU autoshit/tools. I hated it and screamed, but you may be early enough 07:08:18 Quartus: very cool. 07:08:30 Threaded Interpretive Languages (ala Loeliger and Forth) 07:08:41 that one is on order... 07:09:03 no, TIL is a generic term; "TIL" is _by_ Loeliger ;-) 07:10:40 THe kicker is, unless the Forth is supposed to be the OS as well as interface, it's just a language-layer. A whole lot of Forth seems to assume total-control. 07:10:51 Quartus: yes if you can't do one box, then tape the two-(more?) together in a way that they become one box. For UPS try not to exceed 70LBS for the box, if exceeded, I'll pay for two boxes. 07:11:00 ..or, (just as bad), that it is a layer - just incomplete. 07:11:12 Ray, don't think it'll be 70lbs all in. 07:11:16 isn't UPS 50#? 07:11:19 excellent 07:11:25 70 07:11:36 I love ups.. FedEx takes a close 2nd 07:11:43 * Raystm2 often exceeds it with sweat on the brow. 07:12:12 Yeah, I used to do S&H at the board shop, their limit was pretty harsh on some occasions. 07:12:27 Looks like 11 lbs. 07:12:32 :) 07:12:42 won't cost much. 07:13:00 and from Canada, should take about 5 days. 07:13:01 Probably 12"x12" 07:13:08 excellent 07:13:48 I'll take it to my work address to save on residential upcharges. 07:13:58 The Knuth is a very nice set. Even though I've a new set given to me, I'm nostaligic about letting the old one go, but there's no point in keeping it. :) 07:14:08 hehe 07:14:14 sure, I totaly understand that. 07:14:34 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 07:14:38 * Raystm2 has every computer part i ever purchased or was given. Same reason. 07:14:44 I remember most studying hashing and string searching in it, and multi-precision arithmetic. 07:16:03 cue the flashback sequence 07:16:04 * Raystm2 would like to work up to being the "crc of colorforth" someday, and hopes all that referance will help. 07:16:09 hehe 07:16:37 If I find another book between now and shipping, I'll put it in. 07:16:47 cool. :) 07:16:53 I never got excited with colorforth 07:17:11 who can blame you PoppaVic. Quartus hasn't either. 07:17:37 Being that i'm undereducated, I decided a niche would serve me best. 07:17:38 I just think Chuck is going "overthetop" anymore 07:17:43 right. 07:17:55 I'll help to remedy that, as well. 07:18:50 JasonWoof's version of colorforth called Herkforth, shows the most promise, imho. 07:18:59 Is there any poop on some sort of newer ANS standard? 07:19:29 I thought I read somewhere that the org is organizing for such a project. 07:19:30 Herk has some interesting bits 07:19:46 It'd be about time.. ANS seems to sleep a lot 07:21:24 Jason has somehow devised a way to compile dependancy on the call. 07:21:30 I think, after all these years... ANS should be able to finally, definititively isolate all the "primitives" for interfacing with a modern OS. They can even subdivide that. 07:21:46 deps on what? 07:21:48 That isn't the intent of a Standard. 07:22:06 crc seems to be doing such a thing with his retro project. 07:22:35 he's been reducing his 'parts' in such a way as to make porting trivial. 07:22:38 what 'compile dependency' are you talking about? 07:22:45 oh sorry. 07:22:50 ahhh 07:23:18 yes, Jason seems to beable to call a word and have that word compile all of its dependant words. 07:23:21 Yes, FIG began it years ago - and then folks got "attitudinal" and just went mad with "asm optimizing" 07:23:44 umm.. unrolling or "expansion"? 07:24:04 I think unrolling says it. 07:24:13 sounds like a macro, or a variant-thereof 07:24:28 he keeps all words in a data base, this much i know. 07:24:39 yeah, I've been considering it 07:24:40 neither 07:24:41 the dictionary pull from there. 07:24:43 It's not. Jason's Forth stores all source as a database. If you request the compilation of a given word, it recursively goes and compiles all the dependencies which are not already compiled. 07:24:53 what he said :) 07:24:56 ya! tathi, please save me? 07:25:19 ya! Quartus! save me! 07:25:24 His Forth has a single namespace, which makes that possible. Conventionally, Forth is written bottom-up, and all dependencies are already compiled. 07:25:29 tathi: macros? 07:25:53 he used to have the source stored in blocks, but the load sequence was pretty fragile. 07:25:58 So he's trying it this way now. :) 07:26:10 See above, Ray 07:26:10 http://rafb.net/paste/results/ysfnxt13.html 07:26:31 er, below even ;-) 07:26:35 hehe 07:26:53 tathi: no.. wait.. Are you saying the words are DB'd, or the macros or..? 07:28:01 PoppaVic: what Quartus said. all source is stored in a simple database. 07:28:07 ahh 07:28:10 Oh, this is the Metabuilder. 07:28:11 one word per record, indexed by word name, of course. 07:28:39 Ray: part of it. 07:30:24 ray: mostly, just the intermed-output. Needs further-filtering and rearrangement, of course 07:30:26 cool, A tad over my head... :) 07:30:43 Yeah, it's learning just about everything I can manage. 07:31:19 YES! thats the fence I like to straddle. 07:31:50 Again, a database... It needs to get into a database for access by compilers/interps, etc. 07:32:11 I see. 07:32:56 It might even be useful in a textfile "header", to obviate call-overhead... But, yeah. THAT sort of info is fairly useful. 07:33:04 ..and that's just the guessing-part. 07:33:10 * Raystm2 is waiting for "AnticipitoryForth" 07:34:08 watch for two below... 07:34:26 "AnticipatoryForth" has one word. "GO". after executing 'GO", it always anticipates your needs. hehe ;) 07:34:39 http://rafb.net/paste/results/DI6Hiz43.html 07:35:21 http://rafb.net/paste/results/bWCbbo21.html 07:36:38 Yikes son, work a little on this? 07:36:44 yeah 07:37:34 What a facinateing idea. 07:37:36 I want data to search for macro-defs (as in "defined") and then how shit is treated - all w/o requiring 3-5 interpreters 07:37:47 Compile on anything? is that the challenge here? 07:38:10 basically, I have to rely - for now - on wherever gcc can live. 07:38:22 i see. 07:38:37 There is just no excuse for needing C, CPP, Make, SH, M4 and autoshit 07:38:42 deep project. 07:38:53 as you have said. 07:39:24 Yep.. And, I'm hoping to delve deep enough to get together a forthish lang for a "shell" following this sorta' crapdoodle. 07:39:27 quite a feat, should you accomplish... 07:39:37 hehe 07:39:48 a shell would be nice. 07:39:51 Yeah, it's iffy - I'm just one guy with N hours ;-/ 07:40:02 true. 07:40:52 be cool if a progy could assemble itself, ala Herkforth using this. 07:40:54 well, the 'shell' would be pretty-much typical. Forth can play that game. I want extensions for Make and such right from therein 07:41:08 i get that. 07:41:22 Yep, but recall: gcc uses asm - I won't. 07:41:39 okay. 07:44:19 Even with the mmap() stuff I've asked about and looked at, the idea of some asshole interactively-assembling his virus/worm/hack and unleashing it makes me a trifle nauseous 07:46:43 oh sure, that's got to be a real problem. 07:47:02 I can't even begin to fathom the security issues. 07:47:05 I can't see a way around just ignoring asm 07:47:31 ..basically, we need to accept that assemblers and gcc and whatnot all have those issues in hand. 07:48:36 I might even decide to code the shell-part of Metabuilder, (the forthish stuff), to REFUSE to run for root - or at least refuse to extend. 07:50:18 I dunno, but it remains moot, because I never much liked the idea of asm-on-the-fly. It makes for fragmented messes. 07:50:18 * Raystm2 nods* 07:50:28 I see. 07:50:47 * Raystm2 works on Colorforth.info 07:50:51 I dunno HOW many times some dolt has cried in ##C about inline-asm 07:51:24 ..and how many times we've recommended writing the asm in another file - for the assembler. And relying on the linker. 07:55:45 I haven't spent as much time in the 'c', asm, and python chats as I would like. 07:56:04 scheme and lisp for that matter. 07:56:15 well, it gets pretty ugly. #forth arguments/debates are more mild. 07:56:27 i've spent the last year and 3 mo.s totally focused on forth. 07:56:35 I see. 07:56:52 Forth is an interesting tool, but it's not the kernel, OS, asm or C 07:56:56 and this is only freenode. I imagine there must be others on other servers. 07:57:04 ya. 07:57:07 prolly, I never bother 07:57:12 could be, but ya. 07:57:56 Forth is more than a shell - and (at the same time) less than a shell. And, it seems to be more mindset and source than "distro" 08:00:57 you are the source :) 08:01:35 no, I meant "source" as in "what is needed to make this run - where - in what form/mode?" 08:02:16 off-topic /me learns that there are 60,000 miles of bloodvessels in the body,Yikes. 08:02:46 yeppers 08:03:14 I knew dna would stretch to the mood but I didn't know about the vessels. 08:04:00 well, the size of them is important, and they have to lead all over in redundant ways. 08:04:18 DNA, now that's a language I'd love to learn. 08:05:10 Forth assemblers are very nice, esp. as to how they integrate cleanly with the dictionary. 08:05:27 * PoppaVic sighs 08:05:53 THey merely do not integrate with years of existing code and tools and Platforms and OS 08:06:07 Not portably, but that's expected. 08:06:15 fine. 08:06:20 I would like to see a departure. 08:06:55 Forth makes for a fantastic symbolic assembler, for such times as one needs to write for a given platform & CPU. 08:07:16 Windows for people, *nix for nets and other business, But a machine based on something like IGNITE for scientists and hobbiests to reinvent this wheel would be optimal. 08:08:20 There's no bottom-end anymore for newcomers. I think it must be terribly difficult for young people to wrap their heads around modern systems, they aren't sufficiently simple. 08:08:32 Doze will never run on anything I own. Ever again. 08:08:40 Quartus: agreed. 08:08:47 PoppaVic :) 08:09:44 I believe in a market for what you just descirbed, Quartus, is dying for such a machine. 08:09:51 And, please recall: I run nearly as many GUI-app as I do termwin 08:09:52 Back when I got started, it was entirely possible to understand everything about the system in front of you; now, well, I wouldn't try to keep it all in my head; at least with experience I know what I don't need to know, but a newcomer doesn't, and it must seem incredibly daunting. I suspect there's an air of magic about the equipment for young people these days. 08:31:06 --- log: started forth/05.10.30 08:31:06 --- join: clog (n=nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 08:31:06 --- topic: 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language, simplicity, and a variety of technical subjects. The rules are simple: don't spam, don't troll, and speak English.' 08:31:06 --- topic: set by Quartus on [Thu Oct 06 10:48:53 2005] 08:31:06 --- names: list (clog Raystm2 saon PoppaVic Snoopy42 swalters brockster OrngeTide @crc onetom virl _unnamed_ Quartus _james Ray_work cmeme skylan madgarden ccfg humulus warpzero) 08:31:12 You know? I have been sorta' cogitating an interesting twist... Instead of allowing "inline asm", allowing for "generate and dlopen C source" 08:32:35 I have to look deep at dlopen(3), but it seems likely you could invoke the C-compiler/linker and dlopen/load/run "inline C" 08:33:06 ..extraction later, to a generic lib, would also seem possible. 08:33:43 I think it's more database-stuff. 08:33:53 Even if feasible, that would only work in fat environments; embedded systems would be right out. 08:34:13 interactively, yeah - tough. 08:34:14 still, sounds neat. 08:35:10 if folks want an embedded-device, hard-code solution: let them Make the proper sources, and cross-compile: I could care less - other than to allow for it. 08:36:14 It doesn't even have to be a CROSS compile 08:37:19 That precludes running the compiler directly on the embedded system itself, which is one of the major strengths of Forth. 08:37:34 not 08:37:57 * Raystm2 ducks and covers. 08:38:08 not needed, ray 08:38:08 I'd say needing a full C compiler running on an embedded target is substantially prohibitive. 08:38:35 Whereas you can have a full Forth compiler running on a remarkably modest system. 08:39:28 Which I'm sure Ray can attest to, with his ColorForth experience. 08:39:40 (Should I be appropriately colouring the colorForth name? :) 08:40:40 hehe not necessary and anyway the light green on a white background is a tad hard to see. 08:40:49 ray: recall that I've already pointed out (repeatedly) that Forths tend to believe they ARE the OS. Then add that ASM implies a whole lot of trust and that PCODE is the more portable phase. I'm still adamant about Metabuilder and using existing tools on existing systems. 08:40:53 3color4Forth 08:40:58 :) 08:41:28 PoppaVic: I get that. 08:41:51 Gforth doesn't believe it's the OS. Quartus Forth doesn't belive it's the OS. SwiftForth doesn't believe it's the OS. colorForth does, though. 08:41:52 Yep. Given those sort of limits, debate is difficult. 08:42:17 retroforth doesn't. I don't know about HerkForth or Mist, but I believe they run in application space too. 08:42:32 retro has a native. 08:42:40 Does colorForth have an application-space version? 08:42:56 Colorforth for windows = 1 and glypher is a close 2 08:43:22 Is there any keyboard remapping with the windows version? I may have a look at that one. 08:43:31 oh let us not forget x-colorforth for *nix 08:44:03 windows cf uses qwerty ( scrollock off) or ChuckVorac (scrollock on) 08:44:22 I prefer ChuckVorac. 08:44:23 At least there's an option whereby when I press A I get A. :) 08:44:32 yes :) 08:44:34 I prefer just suffering C ;-) 08:44:40 hehe 08:44:43 I'm a stickler for the simple things, ray. :) 08:45:19 then you can't help but love cf, couldn't be more simple, ( save for the complex editor, which makes everyting else simple) 08:45:37 Well, by simple, I mean the little things like the pictures on my keycaps matching the symbols that show up on screen :) 08:45:40 overlay it on unix - now talk 08:45:49 Quartus: lol 08:46:03 x-colorforth for *nix. 08:46:18 X is not unix 08:46:41 X is just a GUI driver/daemon 08:46:45 i'm a luser where unix is concerned. 08:47:08 I have only very rudimentary skills in that environ. 08:47:14 forth is not set-up - as is - for daemons or shells-processing i/o 08:47:21 * Raystm2 been using it for like 12 years .... 08:47:33 Gforth can be used for daemons or shell-processing without any trouble. 08:47:52 ..and, frankly - there are layers on layers everywhere - EXCEPT where "forth" is the OS 08:48:33 Quartus: where lucks that CM left us 27 keys, he says he can do it in 7. 08:48:41 yikes again 08:48:58 Quartus: we're lucky.... 08:49:19 Not the 'good' kind of luck, from the sounds of it. :) 08:49:25 hahaha 08:49:45 I've never seen the 101-key keyboard as something that needed reducing. 08:50:04 Despite the presence of two or three keys that get very little use. 08:50:05 your a touch typist... what can ya do? 08:50:21 Yes, that's true. 25 years of touch typing or so. 08:51:03 One one of my portable systems, pressing both shift keys activates Caps Lock, and I find that annoying; apparently sometimes I do that. 15:29:59 --- log: started forth/05.10.30 15:29:59 --- join: clog (i=nef@66.114.33.57) joined #forth 15:30:00 --- topic: 'Welcome to #forth. We discuss the Forth programming language, simplicity, and a variety of technical subjects. The rules are simple: don't spam, don't troll, and speak English.' 15:30:00 --- topic: set by Quartus on [Thu Oct 06 10:48:53 2005] 15:30:00 --- names: list (clog TheBlueWizard tathi @JasonWoof cmeme snowrichard Raystm2 saon Snoopy42 brockster OrngeTide @crc onetom virl _unnamed_ Quartus _james Ray_work skylan madgarden ccfg humulus warpzero) 15:36:02 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 15:44:37 --- join: aum (n=aum@60-234-156-82.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 16:39:49 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:13:58 --- quit: aum () 18:07:21 --- join: swalters (n=swalters@6532183hfc82.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 18:37:19 --- join: swalters_ (n=swalters@6532183hfc82.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 18:38:08 --- quit: swalters (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:54:52 --- quit: swalters_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:12:25 --- quit: brockster (Remote closed the connection) 20:40:45 --- join: aum (n=aum@60-234-156-82.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 20:57:46 --- join: lop (n=lop@S010600055d233ab7.gv.shawcable.net) joined #forth 20:58:54 --- quit: lop (Remote closed the connection) 21:01:05 --- join: lop (n=lop@S010600055d233ab7.gv.shawcable.net) joined #forth 21:01:06 --- quit: lop (Remote closed the connection) 21:02:07 --- join: lop (n=lop@S010600055d233ab7.gv.shawcable.net) joined #forth 21:02:29 --- quit: lop (Remote closed the connection) 21:22:11 --- quit: OrngeTide ("adios") 21:23:40 --- quit: JasonWoof (Remote closed the connection) 21:48:34 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 21:48:45 anybody have a mirror of the forth scientific library? the main site is down 21:59:29 --- quit: snowrichard (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:55:03 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 23:27:20 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 23:44:31 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.10.30