00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.10.16 03:47:50 --- join: aum (n=aum@60-234-156-82.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 04:38:28 --- join: snoopy_17 (i=snoopy_1@84.58.138.245) joined #forth 04:38:28 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:38:48 --- nick: snoopy_17 -> Snoopy42 04:43:46 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-3pool157-2.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 04:44:53 Howdy 05:09:50 --- quit: aum () 05:59:28 --- join: aum (n=aum@60-234-156-82.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 06:09:38 --- quit: aum () 06:33:05 --- join: zoly (n=l@tor/session/x-70d867b11b02ca56) joined #forth 06:33:17 g'day 06:34:13 howdy 06:34:29 hi PoppaVic 06:36:00 i'm just reading "Snow Crash" (Neal Stephenson). Forth is mentioned as programming language in there. a but unusual, as Snow Crash is a novel. 06:36:21 Have read it. 06:36:30 Never found a copy used, though. 06:36:56 thus you noticed the Forth reference? 06:37:18 This was years and years ago; I'd met forth decades before 06:38:02 ah, ok. that was where the babylonian was compared to assembly language, as the "brain programming" language 06:38:48 and the post-babel phase, when babylonian wasn't spoken anymore, when the book mentions several compiler languages 06:38:55 Yes, I recall: someone finally noted that brains have an underlying 'kernel' that was extensible. 06:39:27 sort of. the proper language was able to intoduce a virus into the brain 06:39:35 I know 06:39:56 and babylonian was considered as the ideal language to craft a brain virus 06:40:03 Basically, the virus would have been written in the underlying "core language" Good read. 06:41:15 did you read other Neil Stephenson novels? 06:41:55 I think I've another around here 06:42:59 cryptonomicon i have read before. i wonder which on i should look at next. 06:43:30 be advised: cyberpunk is just a spacey-type of SF. Nothing more. 06:43:54 that's Sterling? 06:44:05 different author 06:46:14 i have available: A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer, The Big U, cypherFAQ, Global Neighborhood Watch, In the Beginning was the Command Line, Mother Earth Mother Board, Simoleon Caper, Spew, The Diamond Age 06:46:26 those are Neil Stephenson 06:47:19 I've the lastm and the first sounds familiar.. The genre is generally not worth keeping around, though - so I borrow and return 'em. 06:47:37 e-books 06:47:50 Meanwhile, forth is not cyberpunk ;-) 06:51:23 yes, he doesn't seem to be an authority on Forth programming... saying that it would be impossible to know what the compiler renders from the source, if you are not a guru, including Forth in the list. 06:52:52 actually, that's fairly true of any "compiler" 06:53:06 of most, agreed. 06:53:25 same with forth. Just that most think it isn't 06:53:37 non-optimizing incremental compilers could be a different issue, though 06:56:27 non-optimized isn't really a "compiler", although you might consider it a form of "assembler" 06:58:17 q of definition 06:58:27 hmm? 06:59:17 whether it is, or isn't, can't be answered, unless you define first what a "compiler" is, thus this would be pretty circular argument 06:59:43 No, it's more a matter of the program/app: and what it is doing. 07:00:31 ok. then i express my opinion, contrary to yours, that a compiler does not need to be able to optimize. 07:00:59 I agree - and it also doesn't need to lay-down "code" that is reflectable back to source 07:01:07 it is sufficient if it translates source to some machine-executable representation 07:01:19 yup 07:01:34 whereas, "assemblers" are supposed to be (basically) 1:1 07:01:58 right 08:07:34 --- quit: saon ("Lost terminal") 08:13:41 --- part: zoly left #forth 08:18:59 --- join: saon (i=1000@c-24-129-89-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 08:37:02 I find looping, break and continue more and more amusing.. 08:38:28 --- quit: saon ("Lost terminal") 08:44:43 --- join: PoppaVic_ (n=pete@0-1pool67-12.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 08:44:55 --- quit: PoppaVic (Nick collision from services.) 08:44:57 --- nick: PoppaVic_ -> PoppaVic 08:45:17 fargin' ISP 09:04:20 --- join: snowrichard (n=richard@adsl-69-155-177-154.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 09:19:44 --- join: sproingie (i=foobar@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 09:19:57 Hi sproingie 09:24:14 --- quit: snowrichard ("Leaving") 09:29:31 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 09:30:24 lo, tathi 09:30:55 hi 09:32:07 Well, other than "strings" and IO, I think I got a handle on it... Although, I expect we can reduce the opcode-set some. 09:32:43 http://rafb.net/paste/results/PlIEOZ70.html 09:54:36 OK.. Tootles.. 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