00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.10.10 00:45:53 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 02:05:07 --- join: snoopy_17 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-172-057.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 02:08:36 --- join: YoyoFreeBSD_ (n=yoyofree@219.145.22.24) joined #forth 02:09:22 --- quit: snoopy42 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 02:09:43 --- nick: snoopy_17 -> Snoopy42 02:10:18 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 02:10:19 --- join: snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@84.58.172.57) joined #forth 02:10:38 --- join: snoopy_17 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-172-057.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 02:13:23 --- quit: snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 02:13:33 --- nick: snoopy_17 -> Snoopy42 02:16:44 --- quit: slava (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:04:23 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-2pool236-74.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 05:04:46 Howdy 05:30:06 --- quit: I440r (Connection reset by peer) 05:49:03 --- join: Ray_work (n=vircuser@adsl-65-68-201-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 05:50:48 --- quit: Ray_work (Client Quit) 05:53:54 --- join: Ray_work (n=vircuser@adsl-65-68-201-18.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 06:33:21 --- join: tathi (n=josh@pdpc/supporter/bronze/tathi) joined #forth 06:36:54 Hi, all. 06:38:09 Mornin' 07:13:33 --- join: sproingie (i=foobar@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 07:45:19 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 08:01:29 Hey, all. 08:04:01 hey 08:14:40 --- join: JasonWoof (n=jason@pdpc/supporter/student/Herkamire) joined #forth 08:14:40 --- mode: ChanServ set +o JasonWoof 08:55:25 --- quit: Snoopy42 (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:59:42 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-172-057.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 09:41:31 --- quit: Robert ("robert is dead, long live bob!") 09:43:58 --- join: Robert (n=robert@unaffiliated/robert) joined #forth 10:16:08 --- join: virl (n=hmpf@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 10:28:05 Hi. 10:28:19 * Robert kicks ssh. 10:35:02 --- join: snoopy_17 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-122-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 10:35:02 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:35:13 --- nick: snoopy_17 -> Snoopy42 10:38:11 hi Robert 10:38:19 Hey.. 10:38:27 Any experience with SSH public key authentication? 10:55:29 I played with it a little tiny bit at one point... 10:55:33 So not really. :) 10:58:27 Ah, the problems were solved. But thanks anyway. 10:58:40 oh, good. 11:14:03 hmm.. what would you do if you reimplement .net? what would you do better? 11:15:29 I haven't used .net 11:15:44 (nor studied its internals) 11:16:09 But I wouldn't leave a megalomaniac in charge of it, that's for sure. 11:20:16 :-) 11:29:39 what do you think does a runtime environment needs for size? 1 MB+? 11:30:24 Depends what you're going to use it for. Some would say 4kB... 11:30:49 --- join: PoppaVic (n=pete@0-2pool238-140.nas24.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 11:31:31 Damn, that was a long roadtrip 11:33:10 ok, lets say a runtime environment for games like doom3 11:33:46 PoppaVic: Where did you go? 11:34:02 virl: No idea. :) 11:34:18 Had to run down to the local gunshop & pick up powder(s) and primers. 11:34:37 special-order crapdoodle. 11:34:51 ew, guns 11:35:35 They frown on us owning ATW, grenadae-launchers and mortars 11:35:41 but ok, americans need them to 'defend' their 'freedom' 11:48:38 --- join: slava (n=slava@CPE0080ad77a020-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 11:49:29 Hi, slava. 11:49:39 hi. 11:50:14 Robert: so i'm a mac user, now. 11:50:16 well, sorta. 11:50:36 work gave me a mac, so i'm trying to use it for everything and see how i go. 11:52:10 Ah. Painful? 11:52:21 I've had to use macs at school when they ran out of unix terminals. 11:52:41 Can't say that was very pleasant, but I guess I shouldn't judge it by the defaults. 11:54:30 mac, or macosx? 11:54:53 os x of course 11:55:08 oh, that's different 11:55:20 osx is *almost* tolerable 11:55:25 hehe 11:55:28 that's my impression, too. 11:55:40 (at least you can reach bsd/glibc, etc) 11:56:17 As long as I have gcc and libc & friends, I can suffer a lot of indignities 11:56:30 OS X was what I used, too. 11:56:54 the gui is nice 11:57:01 you can install xfree on it 11:57:07 and get a decent terminal emulator 11:57:08 I found it confusing, but I guess you can get used to it. 11:57:15 the gui is tolerable, and X11 "mostly" works ok 11:57:23 Where's the advantage to a PC, then? 11:57:57 the mac they gave me is a mini 11:58:00 it is silent 11:58:15 Robert: well, I'd trade this powerbook for a good topend pc-laptop, easy... I'm not as impressed as their hype expects 11:58:56 i wouldn't actually go and buy a mac. 11:59:13 yeah. I'd never deliberately buy another powerbook 11:59:44 I'm using a really silent PC laptop now. 12:00:12 I only get any noise when the cd/dvd r/w drive kicks up 12:00:26 And.. it's an x86. No matter what you think about it, it's well-supported. 12:00:28 my linux box is like a wind tunnel ;) 12:00:53 although obviously silent PCs exist. its still a refreshing change for me. 12:03:21 Yeah, I really hate noisy computers. 12:03:22 I always listen to the radio, a CD or the tv anyway 12:15:16 ehm, anybody knows a todays working forth for MC68000? 12:17:50 Man, I wish tathi was awake.. I'm sorta' snarfled on my own petard, or leotard or whatever. 12:19:44 fig-forth? or which forth could I use to port it to my TI Voyage 200? 12:21:04 bbl (napping) 12:21:12 np 12:23:01 virl: MOPS! 12:26:42 slava? 12:26:50 m68k mac forth 12:27:02 oh, TI voyage 200. never mind. 12:27:15 i thought you were talking about a forth for an old mac. 12:27:16 PoppaVic: what's up? 12:27:52 ahh, cobbling you an email & attachment: the current state-of-affairs for a stack-based opcode-set. 12:28:15 I'm glaring at a few "issues", covered in the body. 12:29:56 I'm asking myself why they took for that TI calculator such an old microprocessor and build on top of it a basic like OS 12:30:13 splash 12:30:31 virl: because 68K processors kick ass. :) 12:30:35 virl: HP calculators are better 12:30:47 virl: postfix lisp-like language, ARM CPU 12:30:50 TI != HP 12:31:26 I never own a HP calc, but I like TI calcs 12:31:53 Lemme' know whatcha' think, tathi - I'm gonna' pause for awhile. 12:32:04 yah, if I ever own a calculator again, it will most likely be an HP. 12:32:29 I own several, no hp's - they all do what I need 12:32:33 weren't HP calcs that calcs with a RPN notation? 12:32:43 though I had fun reverse-engineering the ROM on the TI-86 when it came out... 12:34:21 yeah, the MC68000 looks nice, but today there are enough 8bit processors around which are faster than it. 12:34:55 * virl only wants to understand which reason led to this decision 12:36:33 --- quit: virsys (Connection timed out) 12:37:19 so no one knows it? 12:39:05 --- join: virsys (n=virsys@or-65-40-180-181.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) joined #forth 12:54:05 My conversations with "HP" say they pride themselves on being able to run linux and to run forth. 12:54:48 They, of course, never heard of colorforth, till I told them. 12:55:12 And even then , I'm sure they promptly, pushed it aside. :) 12:55:22 Oh and btw, Hi everybody. 12:56:46 Hi there, Ray_work. 13:17:29 * Ray_work will be taking a break from colorforth, Glypher, most other forth work ( until rj_cf begins coding the HDD boot ) for several months, dedicating all freetime to my "other" endevours and Sundays to my colorforth.info site. 13:18:17 Any interesting coding projects? 13:18:37 Or does "other" mean non-coding? 13:19:22 I just finished the Glypher ChuckBot the Glyph Chess DupBeep vs. Gary Kasparov, where the machine wins, as a demo for Glypher and for ChuckBot, and for colorforth in general. 13:19:35 No, my other projects only require html. 13:19:55 Ah, I see. 13:20:12 My wife is on my a** to bring her home. 13:20:34 She doesn't wanna work outside of the house anymore, and I don't blame her. 13:21:01 We, she and I, believe we have something to offer the world, and I will be setting all that up, soonest. 13:22:17 I've been pro-telecommuting for 30 years.. Don't hold yer breath, though 13:23:04 talking to me PoppaVic? 13:23:08 yah 13:23:21 we won't be telecommuting... 13:23:31 Too many firms and managers are chained to grinding drones 13:25:02 I know your are correct 13:31:35 Talk to you guys tomorrow, I'm too tired to get further... 13:31:37 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 13:39:29 --- quit: slava () 14:01:09 Ray, you should reconstruct your site so that it's more easily to access through links. 14:12:08 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=Raystm2@adsl-69-149-55-17.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 14:17:37 --- join: Topaz (n=top@wlan-179.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 14:43:21 --- quit: Topaz (Connection timed out) 14:43:35 --- join: Topaz (n=top@sown-85.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 15:15:05 --- quit: Topaz (Connection timed out) 15:15:33 --- join: Topaz (n=top@sown-88.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 15:46:47 --- quit: crc () 15:49:48 --- quit: Topaz ("Leaving") 15:53:33 --- join: crc (i=crc@pool-70-110-143-77.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 15:58:12 --- quit: Raystm2_ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 15:58:20 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 15:58:22 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=Raystm2@adsl-69-149-55-17.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 15:58:38 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Remote closed the connection) 16:00:30 --- join: Raystm2_ (n=Raystm2@adsl-69-149-55-17.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 16:01:05 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 16:01:24 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Client Quit) 16:23:04 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 16:31:18 --- quit: OrngeTide ("out") 16:38:51 --- join: Snoopy42 (i=snoopy_1@dslb-084-058-162-107.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 18:05:18 --- quit: sproingie ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 18:06:05 --- join: sproingie (i=foobar@64-121-2-59.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 18:10:25 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 19:40:45 --- quit: sproingie (Remote closed the connection) 19:55:00 --- quit: YoyoFreeBSD_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23:05:29 --- join: crcv (i=crc@pool-70-110-143-77.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 23:05:29 --- quit: crc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:28:42 --- quit: JasonWoof ("goodnight all") 23:47:27 --- quit: virsys (Remote closed the connection) 23:48:22 --- join: virsys (n=virsys@or-65-40-180-181.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.10.10