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NIBBLES! 03:37:16 Yay! 03:37:21 * Robert does the BASIC dance. 03:37:27 or MONEY! 03:37:30 rofl 03:37:32 Actually I've been doing a bit of BASC lately. 03:37:34 I remember that one. 03:37:38 I once wrote an "OS" with money 03:37:40 Combined with 6502 sm. 03:37:44 it worked on a floppy 03:37:48 I can code a GTN game in almost any BASIC variation. 03:37:49 GUESS WHICH COMPUTER 03:37:53 loaded DOS 6.22 with autoexec.bat loading qbasic 03:37:56 it was fun 03:38:00 GTN? 03:38:06 Guess The Number 03:38:10 Not a simple one, either. 03:38:17 A feature rich one. 03:38:17 oh 03:38:18 lol 03:38:23 YES 03:38:25 FOUND QBASIC 03:38:25 That people would actually want to play more than once. 03:38:29 CODING TIME BITCHES 03:38:30 Selectable range... 03:38:38 Selectable number of guesses... 03:38:48 So far I've done it in TI-82+ BASIC 03:38:51 arke: Now... make a GUI program in QBasic! The master of hardecodeness! 03:38:52 And CC40 BASIC. 03:39:22 I won a TI Compact Computer 40 on eBay. 03:39:30 PayphoneEd: dude. I wrote an optimizing brainfuck compiler and VM bytecode in ti-83 basic. Fuck off with your noob shit. 03:39:33 :) 03:39:35 First thing I did was code a memory reader in BASIC. 03:39:49 Then I went through the ROM area looking for strings. 03:40:28 --- quit: Robert ("Boo!") 03:40:39 n00b n000b n00000b 03:41:17 I can make a program that crashes a TI-82+. 03:41:25 Sort of a self-destruct button. 03:42:07 Basically coding in ASM can't be done via the calculator. 03:42:16 Any opcode crashes the calculator. 03:46:17 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 03:46:39 wb 03:47:03 Thanks. 03:47:06 Works better now. 03:47:12 lol 03:47:25 Say, what Distro, Robert? 03:47:27 Do NOT use the cheap scheduler! 03:47:29 Debian. 03:47:31 lol 03:47:38 Do NOT use Debian, either. ;3 03:47:51 Burn, heretic! 03:48:03 GENTOO > * 03:48:05 MWAHAHAHAHA 03:48:37 Gentoo is for anti-Debian fanatics with too much CPU power. 03:48:50 Seriously, though, Piyoko started running much better, it actually does improve performance. 03:49:00 I switched from SuSE 9.1 03:49:27 I made a guy swich from SuSE to Debian the other day >:) 03:49:37 i luv debian 03:50:06 I stopped using SuSE's package manager about 4mo before I switched. 03:50:15 PayphoneEd: same. 03:50:30 PayphoneEd: SuSE is only nice if you're a linux noob. After, it sucks. 03:50:31 :D 03:50:33 lol 03:50:39 That's how I used it. :3 04:03:10 what's Piyoko? 04:03:17 oh, and by the way: Slackware > * 04:03:36 Piyoko is this box I'm using now. 04:03:53 mmm. 04:03:54 Toshiba Laptop, Desktop P4-2660 for MAX POWER 04:04:01 No crappy mobile chip. 04:04:01 sweet! 04:04:23 first of all the mobile chips are BETTER performers than the desktop p4s 04:04:23 Toshiba laptops > * laptops 04:04:42 yes, I got a Toshy too. 3.3 GHz. 04:05:10 They're also geared toward power control, which I don't like. 04:05:42 Linux tends to have issues with power-saving features. 04:05:51 I just have Piyoko set up to never even standby. 04:05:51 that is true... 04:05:55 --- quit: nothingmuch () 04:06:06 I can close the lid and she just turns off the screen. 04:06:06 but isn't that Linux's failing then? 04:06:08 * Robert just uses the CPU frequency scaling. 04:06:24 bitwize: It's what typically makes Linux difficult on laptops. 04:06:54 there's nothing like when I start a compile and kitty-n's TWO FANS start wailing 04:07:00 lol 04:07:00 --- join: nothingmuch (~nothingmu@wlan-217-79-139-57.pgsm.hu) joined #forth 04:07:13 Yeah, Piyoko has an interesting fan setup too. 04:07:15 it's like a jet taking off 04:07:30 It sucks IN from under and goes out the back and side. 04:08:06 yes. 04:08:20 lol, you should hear Komugi. 04:08:23 and there's like 10 pounds of heatsink in there too. 04:08:33 She's a Toshiba T1200 from the mid-80s 04:08:39 wow. 04:08:41 PC/XT Compatible laptop. 04:08:41 what proc? 04:08:44 oh. 04:08:49 Won on eBay, works perfectly. 04:09:02 and I thought shorty was old... 04:09:03 When that 20MB HDD spins up it will turn heads. 04:09:20 I bet it's pretty powerful with forth... 04:09:20 If they're not already turned by the fact that she still exists. 04:09:38 She has an RTC, too. 04:09:53 And 1MB of RAM. 04:10:07 sweet! 04:10:20 hmm, i've got one of them :D 04:10:20 As for the proc it's an 8086. 04:10:24 hdd packed in though 04:10:28 do you have to do that bank stuff in order to use it all? 04:10:29 was going to install ELKS on it 04:10:43 Man, I still wish I had my model 16... 04:10:44 bitwize: Nah, I run Toshiba MS-DOS 3.30 on it. 04:10:48 That's what came with her. 04:11:00 Tried to install MINIX, refused to cooperate. 04:11:08 Aww.. 04:11:12 Now it's MS-DOS 3.30 and Windows 2.03 which I hardly ever use. 04:11:15 * Robert uses Minix on two of his boxes. 04:11:27 Dual boot with DOS 6.22 04:11:43 My older desktop is Ryoko. 04:11:50 P4-1800 04:12:00 haha, old-school 'Doze. 04:12:01 sweet 04:12:03 Set up to be able to boot 5 Operating Systems. 04:12:11 I really really wish I hadn't fried my Tandy 600 04:12:23 Then there's Minako, a thrift-store P1-166 set up to run 6 OSes. 04:13:05 Piyoko is uni-boot, Linux only. 04:13:19 Komugi is also uni-boot. 04:13:35 that's a pretty fierce geek-out right there 04:13:53 Strike only runs 2 os's: Linux and NetBSD 04:14:15 I actually take Komugi to school. 04:14:22 I love the attention she brings. 04:14:37 Then again I can just pull the 5.25" floppy out of my binder and amaze most. 04:14:38 lol 04:15:01 "Holy crap, I remember those" and "Wow, where did you get that!?" and so on. ^^ 04:15:01 bahaha 04:15:20 again, I really really wish I had some of my old Tandys still going. 04:15:45 Heh. 04:15:46 then I could say to others, "my floppy's eight inches!" 04:15:50 Heehee. 04:15:53 "and my hard's over twelve inches!" 04:15:57 XD 04:16:12 Then you get a nice big black eye. 04:20:23 >.> 04:20:25 <.< 04:23:30 * Robert saw some core memories last week :) 04:23:37 sweet! 04:23:59 maybe we'll next come across someone who hacked an LGP-30 04:24:20 A what? 04:24:32 Drum-memory computer made famous by "The Story of Mel" 04:24:57 Ah. 04:25:03 http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html 04:25:08 Didn't recognize the name. 04:25:11 Yeah, read that one. 04:25:16 Very cute story. 04:25:41 It's worth reading again. 04:26:05 I did that a couple of times already. 04:26:15 I still haven't quite figured out how that inner loop works, exactly. 04:26:22 and I've read it multiple times 04:26:37 That's the point of "magic", I believe. 04:26:45 --- quit: nothingmuch () 04:54:13 --- quit: bitwize (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:59:04 --- quit: Topaz ("Leaving") 05:03:45 --- quit: Robert ("brb") 05:10:09 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 05:38:12 --- quit: Serg[ICQ] (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:28:35 --- join: PoppaVic (~pete@0-1pool66-3.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 06:29:03 Mornin' 06:31:45 Hi 06:31:54 Lo 06:32:53 --- join: virl (Phantasus@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 06:52:49 --- join: sproingie (~chuck@64-121-15-14.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 07:09:23 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@c-24-218-95-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:09:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 07:49:22 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@dsl027-163-201.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #forth 07:54:04 Hi 07:54:15 we did that already 08:44:31 --- join: PoppaVic_ (~pete@0-2pool236-248.nas22.chicago4.il.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 08:44:46 --- quit: PoppaVic (Nick collision from services.) 08:44:49 --- nick: PoppaVic_ -> PoppaVic 08:45:20 friggin' isp *sigh* 08:45:35 --- quit: sproingie (Remote closed the connection) 08:46:17 Is it 'iforth' that is written in asm to compile? 08:53:00 oh kay.. I'm startin' to get seriously peeved. 09:32:15 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09:33:33 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@dsl027-163-201.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #forth 09:35:37 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 09:39:10 bleh 10:33:09 --- quit: Frek ("Leaving") 11:07:09 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11:19:29 why do big companies have to suck so much 11:20:19 because they can 11:23:33 after about 30-40 minutes, I finally reach a human in the right department. fuzzy intermittent connection to someone with a think accent 11:23:57 HELLO MY NAME IS LUCY 11:23:58 took probably 10 minutes to get my name and address accross, and I figure there's still only a 60% chance she got it right 11:24:02 yah 11:24:10 this is Dell BTW 11:24:23 trying (for the third time) to get them to stop sending my catalogs 11:24:58 after about 25 minutes I found that to get customer service, I have to dial extention 7266966 11:26:51 I think I need to make a bigger deal on my website about the fact that if you hire me you won't have to deal with any horrid computerised phone systems or ignorant "customer service" reps who can't actually help you. 11:35:04 :) 11:37:14 "My company isn't big enough to do you any real harm" 11:37:34 lol 11:40:48 You can always turn your bugs into features... 12:06:35 --- join: tathi (~josh@tathi.bronze.supporter.pdpc) joined #forth 12:16:58 --- join: snoopy_1711 (snoopy_161@dsl-084-058-152-086.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 12:17:01 err wtf 12:17:08 that was weird 12:17:08 :D 12:25:11 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Nick collision from services.) 12:25:19 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 13:02:20 Herkamire: hire you for what 13:03:11 --- join: hakossem (~hakossem@CBL217-132-103-117.bb.netvision.net.il) joined #forth 13:03:16 hosting and web design 13:03:21 http://herkamire.com/ 13:03:38 Herkamire: And no foreign fucks you can't fucking understand. 13:04:01 hear hear :) 13:05:20 oh man 13:05:24 i don't need hosting or web design 13:05:32 as a matter of fact thats my business 13:05:40 :-/ 13:05:41 did you want to hire someone to do something else for you? :) 13:06:11 yeah well 13:06:20 custom forth solutions would be nifty 13:06:35 hmm, yeah, maybe one of these days. 13:18:21 --- quit: danniken (Excess Flood) 13:18:44 --- join: danniken (CapStone@ppp-70-249-186-85.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #forth 13:28:20 tathi: are you like herkamire2 or something 13:28:46 warpzero: Are you like the Herkamire police? 13:30:16 yes 13:32:17 warpzero: :) 13:32:56 he's my cousin, we're the same age within about 2 weeks, we lived together for most of 2 years... 13:33:04 so kinda :P 13:34:15 yeah 13:34:21 basically 13:34:23 yeah 13:34:31 you're obviously both nerds considering the channel here 13:35:32 I prefer the term "geek", personally. ;) 13:36:14 i prefer the term "ur mom" 13:38:15 warpzero: you here to hack some forth? 13:43:20 no 13:43:23 um 13:43:31 i don't actually use forth as much as i'd like 13:43:44 i use it as a dc replacment 13:43:46 mostly 13:51:56 alexander_: no i don't use forth much 13:51:58 unfortunately 13:52:01 i use it as a dc replacement mainly 13:52:06 i have to use whatever languages my boss says you know how it is 13:52:26 haha, actually I don't know how it is. :) 13:58:53 basically i'm just here to make "ur mom" comments like 13:58:59 actually, i know how ur mom is 13:59:06 :) 13:59:10 right 14:24:13 I just read that one of Galileo's processors is programmed with Forth. 14:35:45 what is "Galileo" 14:36:25 the space probe? 14:40:52 Yes. 14:41:02 Or, by now, the ex-space probe ;( 14:45:24 What else would you trust in space? ;-) 14:45:34 Forth in space seems to be quite common: http://forth.gsfc.nasa.gov/ 14:46:32 Snoopy42: Assembly language. 14:47:36 hehe 14:49:11 but forth chpis are programmed in Assembler, only that they have at least 2 Stacks and the mnemonics are Forth and not "add r1,r2" ;-) 14:49:28 According to the book I'm reading, that seems to have been the most common way before memories got really large. 14:57:22 you mean Assembly or Forth? 14:58:17 Assembly language. 14:59:38 hmm, when was that? 15:00:37 hi everyone 15:00:40 Until the 80s. 15:00:42 Hi, crc 15:00:47 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 15:01:57 btw. what book are you reading? 15:02:05 hi, crc! 15:03:01 Hi Snoopy42, Robert 15:03:26 http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/computers/contents.html 15:03:30 Very nice one, I think. 15:03:35 And free, too. :) 15:15:31 yep, quite nice! 15:18:06 Attitude Control Processor... 15:20:12 I read that 3 times to make sure it was really attitude 15:20:22 not altitude or something that would make sense for a space ship 15:21:04 attitude 15:21:06 4: position of aircraft or spacecraft relative to a frame of 15:21:06 reference (the horizon or direction of motion) 15:23:44 ah hah! 15:24:02 lol 15:24:14 probably won't work on people the way I hoped then ;) 15:24:45 You never know. 15:26:49 well, an Attitude Control Processor can only work when embedded in an Attitude Control Device, like an electric necklace ;-) 15:27:06 You got a point there... 15:27:10 * Robert starts soldering. 15:27:15 hehe 15:27:33 at least when you won't use surgery :) 16:09:33 --- quit: saon (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:57:44 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 18:15:52 --- join: sproingie (~chuck@64-121-15-14.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 18:15:52 --- quit: alexander_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:23:22 --- join: nothingmuch (~nothingmu@CPE00b0d0cd759c-CM0012253ea774.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 18:36:06 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19:16:21 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-91-106.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:16:44 --- join: saon|smgl (~saon@c-24-129-91-106.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:31:04 --- quit: jkk ("leaving") 19:58:07 --- quit: nothingmuch () 20:20:53 --- join: LOOP-HOG (~chatzilla@sub22-119.member.dsl-only.net) joined #forth 20:21:04 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/15/psycho_robot/ 20:21:11 I wonder what it was programmed in? 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