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05:37:29 <Stepan> what's .pdpc?
05:40:15 <PayphoneEd> Peer Directed Projects Center
05:40:25 <PayphoneEd> I think, I'm 100% on the first three.
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05:45:14 <PoppaVic> Mornin'
05:45:19 <PayphoneEd> lo
05:47:54 <tathi> yah, Center
05:48:16 <PayphoneEd> I WIN!
05:48:20 <PayphoneEd> lol
05:48:25 <PayphoneEd> Oooh, food time.
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07:46:13 <PoppaVic> gad.. what a day
09:18:08 <PoppaVic> Stepan? you awake?
09:20:42 <PoppaVic> Damn.. I need idea-bouncing.
09:35:24 <crc> hi everyone
09:35:31 <PoppaVic> lo
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11:24:51 <saon> ROBERT!!
11:36:00 <Robert> saon!!@##$!@bbq
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13:09:46 <alexander_> re..
13:09:52 <Robert> Hi.
13:10:06 <alexander_> sup?
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16:13:20 <dto> hi
16:14:24 <Raystm2> D T O bro whatdya know?
16:14:26 <alexander_> what up biatch
16:14:28 <alexander_> er
16:14:28 <alexander_> haha
16:14:33 <Raystm2> alexander_ :)
16:15:37 <dto> how is everyone
16:15:55 <Raystm2> i can only speak for Raystm2 = GREAT!!
16:15:56 <alexander_> good
16:16:47 <Raystm2> hows by you dto
16:17:01 <dto> not bad
16:17:14 <dto> finally found my autechre cd's and have been ripping them into oggs
16:17:47 <Raystm2> funny :) i don't understand that entire sentence :)
16:18:05 <Raystm2> linux thing?
16:18:44 <dto> autechre: 2-man band from U.K.
16:18:59 <dto> did interesting work IMHO from 1990-1997 or so
16:18:59 <Raystm2> ah
16:19:04 <Raystm2> i see
16:19:22 <dto> along with Aphex Twin and Orbital, were among the pioneers of genre known as IDM
16:19:34 <dto> shit. this ogg skips. 
16:19:41 <Raystm2> IDM =?
16:19:48 <Raystm2> ogg=?
16:19:49 <dto> ogg == ogg vorbis, alternative to mp3, more recent technology, IMHO much better sound quality
16:19:57 <dto> IDM "intelligent dance music" 
16:20:01 <dto> horrible term. 
16:20:01 <Raystm2> i see thank yoy
16:20:10 <Raystm2> i see thank you again :)
16:20:41 <dto> it was really a merging of the dance music field with ambient. hence an IDM track could be completely undanceable, or completely non-ambient (i.e. abrasive)
16:20:48 <dto> but many tracks included elements of both. 
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16:20:59 <alexander_> that is a horrible term.. you might have to be in an epileptic fit to dance to Aphex Twin. ;)
16:21:07 <dto> not his early stuff
16:21:12 <dto> much of it is 4 on the floor
16:21:23 <alexander_> even his early stuff isn't very dancable
16:21:24 <dto> the whole thing started late 80s. 
16:21:24 <alexander_> +e
16:21:46 <alexander_> I'm pretty sure richard james is insane.
16:22:06 <dto> heheh. danceable is a state of mind. not that I am neccessarily endorsing this, but i have been to shows (especially in NYC) back in the day when IDM was still alive as a movement
16:22:07 <Raystm2> hehe the best allways are, or at least horrible heroin addicts
16:22:10 <dto> and , 
16:22:22 <dto> kids were dancing to MUCH less danceable stuff than Aphex, even late aphex
16:22:32 <dto> the genre was out of ideas by the late 90s. 
16:22:54 <dto> although there were some big signs of hope (esp. Boards of Canada, who nonetheless burned out.)
16:23:40 <dto> in any case, it was a time when some highly creative people, who would never have made it in the pop music field, did a lot of stylistically/technologically innovative stuff,. 
16:24:11 <Raystm2> sorry wife called and i'm back catching up.
16:24:55 <Raystm2> very cool. sounds like something I would have liked very much-- sorry i missed it.
16:25:06 <dto> the talent and ideas were reabsorbed into pop music production, which became more and more IDMish as the 90s went on. all the public ever heard was the even more horrid term "electronica" 
16:25:37 <Raystm2> sure now i get it
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16:26:47 <dto> Raystm2: check the year of release, if you are ever tempted to buy IDM cd's. better yet, ask me what to buy :-)
16:26:55 <dto> or download etc. 
16:27:09 <alexander_> dto, you a Numb fan?
16:27:21 <dto> heard of, not listenedc
16:27:43 <alexander_> nod.
16:30:16 <dto> i have often thought of donating little articles to wikipedia. 
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16:30:41 <dto> but some of them are opinionated
16:30:47 <dto> i might just open a little website. 
16:31:33 <PayphoneEd> We need an MP3 player... WRITTEN IN FORTH!
16:31:35 <PayphoneEd> MWHAHAHAHAHA
16:31:36 <PayphoneEd> lol
16:31:44 <Topaz> i started writing one a while back
16:31:57 <Raystm2> Topaz how far did you get?
16:31:59 <Topaz> although my rather limited comprehension of the MP3 spec put a stop to it :D
16:32:04 <Topaz> basic bitstream unpacking
16:32:06 <Raystm2> oh
16:32:13 <Raystm2> hey that's something
16:32:15 <Topaz> i could probably have a fairer stab at it now
16:33:43 <PayphoneEd> Make a whole Forth OS. I can be the "Head of Customer Service"
16:33:52 <PayphoneEd> I'll be the guy who deals with anyone who bitches.
16:34:05 <PayphoneEd> "Why are you doing this?" SHUT UP ASSHEAD
16:34:06 <Raystm2> colorforth = forth os
16:34:10 <PayphoneEd> Really?
16:34:12 <PayphoneEd> Well... uh...
16:34:17 <PayphoneEd> Look over there!
16:34:18 <Raystm2> well, uh is right ;)
16:34:22 * PayphoneEd jumps through a window
16:34:32 <Raystm2> it's just not completed yet :)
16:34:35 <PayphoneEd> lol
16:34:57 * Raystm2 hand out window to pull PayphoneEd back up.
16:35:00 <PayphoneEd> Isn't all that crappy "Open Firmware" shit Forth too?
16:35:00 <alexander_> Flux/Enth were a pretty decent ForthOS
16:35:08 <alexander_> OF isn't crappy
16:35:12 <alexander_> and yes, it's Forth
16:35:15 <PayphoneEd> Sorry, I just hate the idea of hacing the BIOS on the HDD.
16:35:18 <PayphoneEd> *having
16:35:31 <PayphoneEd> That's like how some companies have that secret partition...
16:35:43 <PayphoneEd> And if it's wiped then the computer WILL NEVER BOOT AGAIN
16:35:46 <alexander_> openfirmware isn't ever on the hard drive
16:35:59 <alexander_> not the way IBM, Apple, or Sun ship it.
16:36:01 <PayphoneEd> I thought that's how Macs did it.
16:36:11 <alexander_> no.
16:36:14 <PayphoneEd> Probably a bogus article, then.
16:36:18 <alexander_> yup.
16:36:39 <alexander_> it's so much better than the x86 BIOS will ever be.
16:36:45 <PayphoneEd> It's on an EEPROM then?
16:37:03 <Raystm2> gotta be right?
16:37:06 <alexander_> flash, yes.
16:37:26 <PayphoneEd> So it's basically "Modify the BIOS on a much lower level"
16:37:36 <alexander_> it's not a BIOS
16:37:36 * Raystm2 wants a forth in bios 
16:37:54 <Raystm2> it's a  boot loader?
16:37:58 <alexander_> BIOS is specifically the first code that's run on Intel 'PCs"
16:38:00 <PayphoneEd> Right, right, "Firmware", same difference.
16:38:02 <alexander_> yah, it's a boot loader.
16:38:10 <alexander_> no, it's not the same at all. ;)
16:38:36 * PayphoneEd puts on his steel boxing glove with the barbed wire
16:39:37 <Raystm2> PayphoneEd you shouldn't masterbate live with that thing on.
16:40:04 <PayphoneEd> This isn't my masturbating glove.
16:40:12 <PayphoneEd> This is my recreation glove.
16:40:19 <PayphoneEd> I hurt people for fun.
16:40:19 <Raystm2> oh
16:40:20 <Raystm2> :)
16:40:48 <PayphoneEd> Remember the line "Let the hate flow through you"?
16:40:57 <PayphoneEd> I've been doing that since at least 1987.
16:41:01 <PayphoneEd> And I'm only 20.
16:41:45 <dto> gbehehe
16:41:47 <Raystm2> don't recall that line. different up bringing I guess. Love Love Love
16:42:01 <PayphoneEd> I have some of that.
16:42:09 <PayphoneEd> But most of it is pure hatred.
16:42:13 <PayphoneEd> It's my life force.
16:42:26 <Raystm2> rebel with out a ....................................
16:42:27 <PayphoneEd> As long as there's hate in my heart, I will live. MWAHAHAHAHAHA.
16:42:56 <alexander_> right.
16:43:02 <PayphoneEd> Everybody knows that the Dark Side is the side that kicks ass.
16:43:30 <alexander_> didn't you see starwars 3?
16:43:36 <PayphoneEd> No.
16:43:40 <alexander_> the dark side squeals like a little bitch.
16:44:21 <PayphoneEd> Yeah, but we've got cooler weapons that we can use whenever the fuck we want.
16:44:33 <Raystm2> Like the USA ;)
16:44:52 <Raystm2> PayphoneEd is just an American
16:45:02 <PayphoneEd> No, I'm pretty damn evil.
16:45:15 <PayphoneEd> I'd like to rule the world myself, under the Earth Federation.
16:46:17 <Raystm2> Welcome to he Earth Federation, We know who and where you are. Don't panic, medication is on the way. Have a great day.
16:46:38 <PayphoneEd> lol
16:46:58 * Raystm2 is in the colorforth undernet
16:46:58 <PayphoneEd> Under my rule, all racists and homophobes will be destroyed.
16:47:20 <Raystm2> YEAH!!
16:47:29 <PayphoneEd> Not the in-closet homophobes, they'll be allowed to come out without fear.
16:47:38 <Raystm2> what about people that hate people that hate?
16:47:39 <dto> what is the colorforth undernet
16:47:54 <PayphoneEd> Raystm2: Anyone who defies me will be destroyed as well.
16:48:20 <Raystm2> And the Meek shall inherit the Earth. 
16:48:21 <dto> Raystm2: i will destroy you with the deathray attachment to my machine
16:48:30 <Raystm2> yikes :)
16:48:37 <dto> Raystm2: BTW unfortunately I will not be releasing any more photos :-)
16:48:44 <Raystm2> :(
16:48:46 <Raystm2> y
16:48:47 <PayphoneEd> lol
16:48:48 <Raystm2> y not
16:48:55 * PayphoneEd slaps Raystm2 
16:49:03 <Raystm2> ouch sunburn
16:49:10 <PayphoneEd> People who type in AIMglish will also be destroyed.
16:49:24 <Raystm2> AIMglish?
16:49:27 <Raystm2> oh
16:49:28 <Raystm2> hehe
16:49:30 <dto> at least not for the time being. it's too soon. 
16:49:32 <Raystm2> haha
16:49:48 * arke sets mode: [+o] in #forth
16:49:54 <dto> i want to be able to take sexy pictures of the entire project, not just one hardware "beaver shot"
16:49:56 <PayphoneEd> "Y" is a letter. "You" is a word.
16:49:57 <arke> err
16:50:05 <arke> whatever
16:50:08 <PayphoneEd> There is no using them interchangeably.
16:50:34 <Raystm2> fo :)
16:50:37 <PayphoneEd> Same with "U"/"You"
16:50:43 <PayphoneEd> "R"/"Are"
16:50:58 <PayphoneEd> And similar annoying abbreviations for FUCKING LAZY ASS TYPISTS
16:51:00 <Raystm2> yicub4ucme2 :)
16:51:32 <alexander_> YUB8N?
16:51:39 <alexander_> +H
16:51:41 <dto> i don't need abbreviations. i use emacs, and there are atleast 2909 turing complete packages for saving keystrokes
16:51:45 <dto> (incl. emacs itself!)
16:51:55 <PayphoneEd> I use GNU Nano.
16:51:57 * dto is within emacs right now
16:52:01 <Raystm2> I can afford to be lazy, yall get a job :)
16:52:10 <PayphoneEd> I don't care for bloated-ass editors.
16:52:10 <dto> ERC = emacs chat client :-0
16:52:12 <dto> heheheh
16:52:20 <dto> it's a bloated ass editor but I don't use anything else!
16:52:22 <alexander_> my forth IRC client trumps your emacs client. : |
16:52:29 <PayphoneEd> I just use X-Chat.
16:52:32 <dto> emacs == OS without device drivers. 
16:52:51 <dto> i can use tab completion that will search all IRC buffers, open files, manuals, etc. 
16:53:08 <dto> brb,. 
16:54:13 <Raystm2> k
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16:56:55 <alexForth> Re.. fear the forth client.
16:57:29 <alexForth> looks like I've got some input buffer corruption, but it seems to work okay with this server.
16:58:39 <Raystm2> While we await the return of our beloved dto.... I will explain to him that the "Colorforth undernet" was an idea i had for an interactive movie that included colorforth,. ham radio, and the internet along with all type of intrege and suspence and jockularity, ,,, lots and lots of jockularity. all bases on real people in our world, verifiable, and fictional.
16:59:16 <Raystm2> ya i got shot down.
16:59:26 <PayphoneEd> lol
16:59:31 <Raystm2> I couldn't explain it right
16:59:39 <Raystm2> it kept changing 
16:59:43 * PayphoneEd tackle-cuddles Raystm2 for no reason
16:59:49 <Raystm2> hehe
17:00:20 <PayphoneEd> It's undeniably fun to make guys uncomfortable online by cuddling them.
17:00:30 <alexander_> uh
17:00:31 <Raystm2> makes me squirt
17:00:40 <alexander_> this was #forth right?  maybe I stepped into the wrong channel.
17:00:57 <PayphoneEd> lol
17:01:04 <Raystm2> un sorry, wiping towels are being distributed
17:01:08 <PayphoneEd> lol
17:01:14 * PayphoneEd nuzzles Raystm2 
17:01:38 <Raystm2> wrap one around your neck and you will forget the last three entries of any chat
17:01:50 <PayphoneEd> lol
17:01:55 <Raystm2> just remember to loosen before passing out
17:02:54 <alexForth> fear
17:03:05 <Raystm2> that is a great word
17:03:42 <Raystm2> I was thinking the other day that us "FreePeoples" have it all wrong. That we just don't get how the greater portion of the world really works
17:03:56 <Raystm2> am i wrong?
17:04:16 <Raystm2> Is our morality buble sheilding us from reality of this world?
17:04:18 <alexander_> who do you know that is 'free'?
17:04:27 <Raystm2> and there is that too.
17:04:34 <Raystm2> define free
17:05:03 <alexander_> I mean, free to do whatever they please.
17:05:18 <Raystm2> Early 1800's a slave went for today=40,000
17:05:39 <Raystm2> now there are more slaves on earth then ever and they are just 40USD
17:06:11 <Raystm2> when one wares out you just trash and get another--- this is the reality outside of our morality
17:06:18 <alexander_> sure
17:06:24 <PayphoneEd> >.>
17:06:26 <PayphoneEd> <.<
17:06:27 <alexander_> that's a pragmatic perspective on slavery.
17:06:43 <Raystm2> is it the reality of this world
17:06:46 <Raystm2> I'm a wage slave.
17:06:49 <alexander_> did you watch The Corporation?
17:07:08 <Raystm2> I dont get 40,000 nothing in a years time. People are cheap anymore :)
17:07:19 <Raystm2> No not The Corporation. 
17:07:27 <Raystm2> i mean I have not seen
17:07:32 <Raystm2> Good?
17:07:47 <alexander_> yah
17:07:51 <alexander_> pretty balanced view of things
17:07:55 <Raystm2> I see.
17:08:08 * Raystm2 hopes it's on dvd at library.
17:08:23 <Raystm2> commits title to folendar
17:08:55 <PayphoneEd> [zzzzz]
17:09:15 * Raystm2 needs to mow lawn :) 1hr .........................
17:10:03 <Raystm2> talk amoungst your selves while i'm away :)
17:10:14 <alexander_> so how about Forth?
17:10:35 <Raystm2> hey now theres a subject
17:10:45 * Raystm2 is working on a chess for retroforth
17:10:57 <alexander_> oh yah?
17:11:44 * Raystm2 wrote the worlds tiniest chessgame in colorforth and a version for gforth/win32forth that is based on base 18 called b18chess.
17:11:57 <Raystm2> I wanna do a unique one for retro8
17:12:17 <PayphoneEd> What kind of a system will ColorForth require, anyway?
17:12:37 <Raystm2> ya PayphoneEd that's the unanswerable currently - tho
17:12:51 <Raystm2> I have found a motherboard that seems to run them all sofar
17:13:12 <Raystm2> It's a pentium 2 and it's at work. 
17:13:34 * Raystm2 needs to dissassemble the box to read the name of the manufaturer on the board.
17:13:47 <Raystm2> manufacture doh!!
17:13:53 <alexander_> does anyone know what happened to Enth/Flux?
17:13:57 <alexander_> it fell off the net
17:14:11 <Raystm2> ya its been depricated but you can find it in places
17:14:18 <Raystm2> I have a copy
17:14:28 <alexander_> what happened to development though?
17:14:32 <PayphoneEd> Like I'm said before, I'm an OS fanatic.
17:14:40 <PayphoneEd> I've got a collection of the,
17:14:42 <Raystm2> Tim Neitz ( rj_cf in #c4h chats ) has it in his archive online
17:14:43 <PayphoneEd> *them
17:14:54 <PayphoneEd> SEND ME OPERATING SYSTEMS! :D
17:15:04 <Raystm2> colorforth is a fun os for sure
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17:15:25 <Raystm2> getting archive link
17:15:42 <Raystm2> I only ever put in tims name into google :)
17:16:39 <PayphoneEd> lol
17:17:09 <Raystm2> sorry had a phone call
17:17:23 <Raystm2> http://www.dnd.utwente.nl/~tim/colorforth/
17:17:25 <PayphoneEd> lol
17:17:55 <Raystm2> you'll find it under enth
17:18:29 <Raystm2> thank you for using RaySearch, You still have credits, Do you require another query?
17:18:59 <Raystm2> also on that page are the current multi-tasking colorforths
17:19:18 <PayphoneEd> Raystm2: I'd like to trade my credits for cash.
17:19:23 <Raystm2> thank you for using RaySearch, You still have credits, Do you require another query?
17:19:58 * PayphoneEd gets his gun
17:20:08 <PayphoneEd> I said... I want to TRADE them for CASH...
17:20:14 <Raystm2> Timed Out: RaySearch returns to jerk mode.
17:20:22 <Raystm2> ah that's better
17:20:36 * PayphoneEd starts firing at Raystm2... but the gun is loaded with blanks.
17:20:56 <Raystm2> they say you never hear the bullet.....
17:21:03 --- mode: crc set +o Raystm2
17:21:11 <PayphoneEd> lol
17:21:15 * crc grants ops to Raystm2 for his protection
17:21:20 <PayphoneEd> I always load mine with blanks.
17:21:20 <Raystm2> hahaha
17:21:39 <PayphoneEd> MY GUN
17:21:46 * PayphoneEd starts firing at Raystm2 again
17:21:49 * Raystm2 dawns profilactic sheild of Impenitration
17:22:16 <PayphoneEd> It's loaded with BLANKS... and I doubt a condom would work.
17:22:22 <PayphoneEd> Even if you spelled it right.
17:22:30 <Raystm2> is it dons or dawns, dons ya
17:22:49 <PayphoneEd> Prophalactic
17:23:00 <PayphoneEd> Impenetration
17:23:11 <Raystm2> generic vs. corporate logo -=- a wash
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17:24:18 <Raystm2> I still have to mow.
17:24:27 <Raystm2> grass don't cut itself ya know
17:24:34 <Raystm2> brb
17:29:07 <PayphoneEd> Mmmmmm, MS-DOS 1.00
17:29:08 <PayphoneEd> lol
17:29:46 <PayphoneEd> I heard it's a LOT different from 2+...
17:30:33 <crc> Do you have a machine that can boot MS-DOS 1.00?
17:32:02 <PayphoneEd> Yeah, Komugi is a PC/XT Compatible.
17:32:12 <PayphoneEd> I also have an IBM PC Convertible.
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17:40:38 <crc> cool
17:40:44 <crc> do you have 160k disks?
17:41:02 * crc has a DOS 1.01 disk image, but it's for a 160k 5.25" disk
17:41:14 <PayphoneEd> Nah, I can just toss them onto 720k 3.5" disks.
17:41:55 <PayphoneEd> Try it, it should work on a 1.44M disk, too.
17:43:07 <crc> It doesn't work on a 1.44MB disk (I tried already)
17:43:24 <PayphoneEd> Damn.
17:43:31 <PayphoneEd> Maybe it'll work on a 720k.
17:43:42 <crc> DOS 1.0 only supported single sided disks....
17:43:43 <PayphoneEd> All 3.5" drives can read them.
17:43:58 * crc had a few of them once...
17:43:59 <PayphoneEd> Try it in BOCHS then.
17:44:00 <PayphoneEd> lol
17:44:07 <crc> BOCHS choked on it
17:44:33 <crc> The BIOS didn't recognize the disk image :(
17:44:41 <PayphoneEd> 720k disks are easy to make.
17:44:54 <PayphoneEd> Just cover the always hole on one side of the disk.
17:45:05 <PayphoneEd> Er
17:45:08 <PayphoneEd> Both sides
17:46:17 <PayphoneEd> Sometimes it doesn't like to work if you only do one even though it should.
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17:54:38 <PayphoneEd> Damn it... I need a WinACE that can unpack v2.0 archives...
17:55:55 <PayphoneEd> For Linux.
17:56:04 <PayphoneEd> That doesn't need wineconsole.
17:57:34 <alexander_> hey
17:58:45 <crc> hi alexander_
17:59:04 <PayphoneEd> Hi
17:59:40 <PayphoneEd> Let's see if I can remember where I tossed that WinACE exe...
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18:14:17 <PayphoneEd> Eh. The NT character mode WinACE binary is working fine enough.
18:16:03 <PayphoneEd> It's just INCREDIBLY FUCKING SLOW.
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18:35:51 <Raystm2> mower broken, need a new one :(
18:39:53 <PayphoneEd> Just kill the lawn.
18:40:07 <Raystm2> bring that gun over.
18:42:05 <PayphoneEd> Needs more.
18:42:12 <PayphoneEd> Needs chemicals.
18:42:15 <PayphoneEd> A lot of chemicals.
18:42:38 <Raystm2> well if i could turn back time and not take the ones that i did...............
18:43:09 <Raystm2> I could sell'em and afford a new mower
18:44:22 <Raystm2> "Lot number 4 -- our `Scorched Earth Look' , new for this year."
18:44:26 <PayphoneEd> No, you could kill the lawn and sell the mower.
18:44:31 <Raystm2> ah
18:44:47 <PayphoneEd> Translation?
18:44:51 <PayphoneEd> DING DING DING
18:46:30 * Raystm2 is wondering what `Translation? DING DING DING' is all about?
18:47:00 <PayphoneEd> "DING DING DING" like a cash register.
18:47:07 <Raystm2> ya and then?
18:47:31 <Raystm2> oh okay go tit now.
18:47:56 <PayphoneEd> GO TIT
18:47:57 <PayphoneEd> lol
18:48:11 <Herkamire> hey, cash registers go "ka-ching"
18:48:14 <Raystm2> ya the England english translation
18:48:20 <Raystm2> right Herkamire
18:48:45 <Raystm2> DING DING DING goes the bell cuz Clang Clang Clang goes the trolly
18:49:09 <PayphoneEd> Shit... I need to emerge bochs...
18:49:29 <Raystm2> whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyne
18:57:10 <Herkamire> hey, I was going to say something meaningful...
18:57:13 <Herkamire> what could that have been
18:57:24 <Herkamire> oh yeah
18:57:28 <Herkamire> plant something besides grass
18:57:39 <PayphoneEd> Like weed, if you're into that.
18:58:43 <Herkamire> there's tons of ground covers. most don't require as much maintenance as grass
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19:00:49 <onemanarmy> g'day
19:01:00 <PayphoneEd> I say just kill all the grass and spray paint what's left green.
19:01:16 <PayphoneEd> No maintenance period.
19:02:54 <Raystm2> awful dusty
19:03:29 <Raystm2> get a bio-degradable paint, you'll be breathing it, after all.
19:03:31 <PayphoneEd> Hm... CreativeIRC is still on the active networks section...
19:03:38 <PayphoneEd> What the hell is wrong with them...
19:05:47 <Raystm2> Herkamire 's ground cover idea is starting to grow on me.
19:06:28 * Raystm2 often wondered why some people landscape that way. 
19:06:50 <PayphoneEd> Some people like maintaining a lawn.
19:07:05 <PayphoneEd> These people would be retrained under my Earth Rule.
19:07:11 <Raystm2> hehe
19:08:17 <Raystm2> While mowing , I think I coded Karl the Robot in colorforth.
19:08:26 <Raystm2> I'll have to type it in and see how it goes
19:08:52 <PayphoneEd> lol
19:09:00 <Raystm2> seems my version vs. Python version, mine will be much smaller.
19:09:10 <Raystm2> maybe 3 blocks
19:09:14 <PayphoneEd> Oh, right... emerge bochs.
19:10:21 <Raystm2> dots and karl will be icons, lines will be one of 2 boxes with `at' words in front
19:11:13 <Raystm2> karl will only turn right, has sensors right and front, and can hold, pick-up or put down beepers
19:11:29 <Raystm2> karl is a wall follower
19:12:26 <Raystm2> ooooh in colorforth "karl the robot" = chuck the cursor
19:12:42 <Raystm2> and i'll need 4 icons to make the cursor face the winds
19:13:02 <Raystm2> so five icons and 2 boxes then
19:13:20 <Raystm2> i need to do timed execution
19:13:38 <Raystm2> thats a block already coded.
19:13:47 <Raystm2> i'll use the real time clock
19:15:06 <Raystm2> one block chuck world -- one block chuck instructions
19:15:35 <Raystm2> obviously you can have as many of theses blocks as detail dictates
19:26:52 <Raystm2> sensors will need to "bump into walls" ......
19:28:30 <Raystm2> chuck the cursor could drive a serial mower.......
19:41:53 <saon> hrmm, i'm a newb, can a not use ' within a word
19:41:59 <saon> s/a/i/
19:42:10 <saon> must i use ['] ?
19:42:11 <crc> saon: try [']
19:42:28 <crc> saon: that depends on the forth
19:42:34 <saon> retroforth
19:42:40 <saon> yay, segfault disappears :)
19:43:05 <crc> You can do:
19:43:15 <crc> macro : ' m: ['] ; forth
19:43:22 <crc> to use ' in a definition
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19:43:45 <crc> then if you need the interactive form in a definition, use the f: prefix word 
19:52:28 <Herkamire> myrtle is a pretty ground cover
19:52:37 <Herkamire> I'm not sure what conditions it needs
19:52:51 <Herkamire> might not like full sun, might need consistent water or something.
19:53:11 <Herkamire> and (like most alternative ground covers) it probably won't withstand much romping
19:54:20 <Herkamire> people with kids and/or dogs often want a yard for them to play in, and grass works well, but they also often have a front yard, which the kids/dogs aren't supposed to play in
19:54:42 <Herkamire> front yards are usually just for looks, so I say plant something that looks nicer and is easier to care for
19:54:54 <Herkamire> or, if you don't care about looks, plant something useful there
19:55:19 <Herkamire> fill it with rasberries or something :)
19:56:08 <Raystm2> rasberries :)
19:56:16 <Raystm2> kids here play in the front
19:56:19 * zoly 'd put some topinambur there. useful, look allright, delight for butterflies
19:56:22 <Raystm2> back is hardly used
19:56:36 <Raystm2> ooh
19:56:45 <Raystm2> nice touch
19:56:52 <zoly> very resistent against plagues
19:56:55 <zoly> and cold
19:57:00 <Raystm2> hmmm
19:57:06 <zoly> survives -35 C
19:57:19 <Raystm2> wow wish it got that cold here
19:57:29 <Raystm2> heck wish it got down to 10 now and then :)
19:57:48 <zoly> can handle dry periods very well
19:57:54 <Raystm2> :)
19:58:13 <zoly> and love poor ground, perferrably sandy
19:59:00 * Raystm2 needs to boot a native colorforth real quick or i'll just freak. brb
20:02:27 <zoly> http://www.giornaledibrescia.it/iniziative/fiori/Immagini/fiore07a.jpg   pic of the flowers
20:03:23 <zoly> http://www.kulmbach.net/~MGF-Gymnasium/bilderdaten/gemuese/Bilder/topinambur_jpg.jpg  pic of the useful stuff
20:06:14 <Raystm2> ive found a cool colorforth way to do the timed execution for "Chuck the Cursor"
20:07:27 <crc> goodnight
20:07:36 <Raystm2> if anybody said anything between xx:59 and xx:07 I will have missed it as I had rebooted this thing and tested a colorforth
20:07:51 <Raystm2> night crc :) well done today sir :)
20:09:04 <Raystm2> this pics are great :)
20:09:18 <Raystm2> what is the useful stuff used for?
20:09:33 <Raystm2> editable?
20:09:45 <zoly> right
20:09:54 <zoly> also, alcohol
20:09:56 <Raystm2> editable sheeeesh 
20:10:04 <Raystm2> did i type that
20:10:06 <Raystm2> okay
20:10:12 <zoly> can cook, fry, slice them, eat them raw
20:10:14 <Raystm2> alcohol okay
20:10:21 <Raystm2> any good?
20:10:30 <zoly> very nice
20:10:33 <zoly> even healthy
20:10:37 <Raystm2> gotta like land that feeds ya
20:10:51 <Raystm2> help that rising grocery bill.
20:11:03 <Raystm2> get ya out side for your son radiation treatment
20:11:10 <Raystm2> sun even 
20:11:30 <zoly> unusual harvesting time:  not before first freezing
20:11:40 <Raystm2> really
20:11:45 <zoly> but they stay good in the ground during whole winter
20:11:50 <Raystm2> cool
20:11:56 <zoly> the time you like fresh vegetables most
20:12:07 <Raystm2> yes indeed.
20:12:21 <zoly> from what you don't harvest, new plants will sprout
20:12:39 <Raystm2> yikes a bonus crop every year.
20:12:56 <Raystm2> that's it i'm sold, where do I pay?
20:13:27 <zoly> just start with 5 or 10, from local market, or friends
20:13:41 <Raystm2> ack -- great tip :)
20:13:50 <zoly> next year you'll have hundreds provided you don't eat the mall
20:14:06 <Raystm2> ya /me hates to eat the mall :)
20:14:07 <zoly> had been staple food before the potato
20:14:12 <Raystm2> i see
20:14:23 <Raystm2> from where?
20:14:34 <zoly> america
20:14:41 <Raystm2> oh really -- cool
20:15:04 <zoly> it's a plant belonging to the family of sunflower alikes
20:15:16 <Raystm2> looks like one indeed
20:15:30 <Raystm2> pretty yellow flower
20:15:32 <zoly> not much known or used anymore today
20:15:44 <zoly> they attract butterflies
20:15:50 <Raystm2> that's an understatement i'm sure
20:15:57 <Raystm2> that's a bonus i'm sure
20:16:29 <zoly> still grown commercially in this region, for destillation
20:16:51 <zoly> hard to kill, that stuff
20:17:04 <zoly> sort of pioneer plant
20:17:27 <Raystm2> this region?
20:17:49 <zoly> region of stuttgart
20:17:55 <Raystm2> I see. 
20:18:14 <Raystm2> makes a good alcohol, as well?
20:18:28 <zoly> the alc they make from it tastes like a cross between slivovitz and grappa
20:18:29 <Raystm2> is this a starchy?
20:19:12 <zoly> not much, no
20:19:12 <Raystm2> I've missed the pleasure of both.
20:19:24 <Raystm2> okay not a starch, 
20:19:31 <zoly> good for low starch, low glucose food
20:19:42 <Raystm2> i see.
20:19:54 <zoly> it has some kind of starch
20:20:00 <zoly> but chemically different
20:20:04 <zoly> called inulin
20:20:12 <Raystm2> inulin hmm /me googles
20:21:11 <zoly> a polysaccharid
20:22:38 <zoly> seems to be pretty rare in natural plants
20:22:45 <Herkamire> zoly: are those artachokes?
20:22:51 <zoly> nope
20:22:57 <zoly> topinambur
20:24:09 <zoly> contains about 10...15 % of inulin
20:26:47 <Raystm2> The Jerusalem artichoke
20:28:02 <zoly> not to be confused with "artichoke"
20:30:01 <Herkamire> heh, it is Jerusalem Artichoke
20:30:19 <Herkamire> topinambur seems to be it's german name
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20:31:27 <zoly> no, the name of the native americans
20:32:00 <Herkamire> The Jerusalem artichoke has absolutely nothing to do with Jerusalem, and little to do with true artichokes.
20:32:50 <Herkamire> I googled for topinambur and got a bunch of pages in german, including a page about it on de.wikipedia.org
20:33:05 <zoly> jerusalem in this case derived from girasole = sunflower
20:34:29 <Herkamire> yeah I read about that
20:34:45 <Herkamire> wow, I've seen those flowers, never associated them with the vegatable
20:35:11 <Herkamire> and I think I've seen the plants at tho community garden
20:35:20 <Herkamire> might have even pulled some from my plot
20:35:35 <Herkamire> those would be fun to grow
20:35:53 <zoly> of they don't grow en masse again the same place, it may be a different one
20:36:23 <zoly> when it gets cold, the plant pulls all its valueful material into the tubers
20:36:36 <zoly> waiting for the following year
20:36:45 <zoly> unless digged out and eaten
20:37:40 <Herkamire> Jerusalem artichokes are easy to grow. In fact the problem for many people is to not grow them once they have been planted.
20:37:49 <zoly> hehe :)
20:38:41 <zoly> that's part of the pioneer plant aspect
20:38:44 <Herkamire> cool, I want to grow some
20:39:17 <zoly> get the yellow ones, not the red ones
20:39:28 <Herkamire> ok.
20:39:29 <Herkamire> why?
20:39:41 <zoly> though tastes may differ, i find the yellow ones better
20:39:46 <Herkamire> ahh
20:39:47 <Herkamire> cool
20:40:51 <zoly> that is, yellow/gold tubers rather than red tubers
20:40:56 <zoly> not the flowers
20:41:05 <Herkamire> ahh
20:42:01 <Herkamire> ok, it's in my todo list now
20:42:05 <Herkamire> phone afk
20:42:07 <zoly> if you boil them, don't do it too long
20:42:33 <Herkamire> I like them raw
20:42:39 <Herkamire> interesting :)
20:42:46 <zoly> keeping them too long in hot water makes them somewhat mushy
20:42:57 <zoly> i like them raw too
20:44:05 <zoly> grated on salad or other veggie stuff is nice too
20:44:57 <zoly> for frying, better hot and short
20:47:40 <zoly> taste is rather mild, not penetrant. 
20:48:06 <zoly> a hint of sweetness
20:48:33 <zoly> same kind of sweet as a carrot can taste sweet
21:19:51 <alexander_> hey
21:23:48 <alexander_> zoly: do the tubers taste like artichoke hearts?
21:25:09 <zoly> no. some say they have a resemblance, but i can't discover much artichoke taste in them
21:28:11 <alexander_> nod.
21:29:30 <zoly> taste is difficult to describe. try describing the taste of a mere apple...
21:29:48 <zoly> you could liken to to some other fruit
21:30:09 <zoly> but the one who doesn't know taste of apple will surely get a different idea of its taste
21:31:04 <alexander_> yah
21:32:07 <zoly> can't do much better than saying they have a pretty mild taste
21:32:21 <zoly> interesting
21:32:28 <zoly> fresh
22:02:28 <Herkamire> extra crunchy
22:02:30 <Herkamire> interesting
22:02:33 <Herkamire> unique
22:02:47 <Herkamire> can't say I really like them, but I think they're fun
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22:45:16 <arke> hi
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