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04:05:36 <PoppaVic> Mornin'
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06:22:39 <PoppaVic> Front
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06:41:50 <madwork> wf
06:42:29 <PoppaVic> Cold beer is a joy
06:45:06 <Stepan> i could really use one now
06:45:53 <PoppaVic> Yeah, I had enough coffee... I'm ready - I THINK - tostep up to the next files, and considering BoehmGC (instead of my internal hacks)
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06:58:54 <PoppaVic> It;s interesting how much code you can write that really doesn't *DO* anything, but gets the ducks all in a row for SOMETHING to "do" something.
07:12:16 <Stepan> isnt boehmgc dead?
07:14:12 <PoppaVic> I dunno - I downloaded it, the page seemed active in that the new tarballs are from this year
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08:56:04 <PoppaVic> yer running a shitty connect
08:56:16 <Frek> ?
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15:20:56 <crc> hi everyone
15:25:26 <PayphoneEd> Hi.
15:25:38 <PayphoneEd> OS CHECK!
15:25:43 <PayphoneEd> Linux Piyoko 2.6.12-rc6-Pyocola-i686 #2 Tue Jun 7 21:17:48 EST 2005 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
15:25:44 <PayphoneEd> :3
15:25:58 <PayphoneEd> Oh, right, I have that sysinfo script.
15:26:00 <PayphoneEd> 10os[Linux 2.6.12-rc6-Pyocola-i686 i686] 10distro[Gentoo Base System version 1.6.12] 10cpu[1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz @ 2.66GHz] 10mem[Physical : 128MB/471MB Free] 10disk[Total : 88.14GB/110.61GB Free] 10video[Trident Microsystems CyberBlade XPAi1] 10sound[ALI5451 - ALI 5451]
15:26:07 <PayphoneEd> I keep forgetting about that one.
15:29:27 <crc> os: Windows XP SP2, Physical RAM: 512MB, Virtual RAM: 4GB, Free RAM: 4,123MB. CPU: Pentium 4 2.8GHz with hyperthreading enabled, disk: 60GB, 40GB free, I forget the sound and video cards offhand
15:30:10 <PayphoneEd> You poor, poor man/woman...
15:30:13 * crc is connected via ssh to a Linux box and just disconnected from the AIX box I use while working
15:30:19 <PayphoneEd> I shed a tear for you.
15:30:26 <crc> why?
15:30:31 <PayphoneEd> Windows XPSP2.
15:30:37 <crc> heh
15:30:55 <crc> I need one Windows box to test RetroForth/Windows on
15:31:12 <PayphoneEd> So? Buy an old piece of crap from a junk store.
15:31:16 <crc> heh
15:31:21 <PayphoneEd> Or set aside a small partition.
15:31:34 <crc> and AutoCAD doesn't run under Linux yet...
15:31:53 <PayphoneEd> There are Open Source CAD programs.
15:31:56 <crc> (And no, wine won't cut it for AutoCAD Mechanical Desktop 3 - I try it often)
15:32:06 * crc doesn't want to switch
15:32:24 <crc> I like AutoCAD Mechanical Desktop 3. I've seen no Open Source CAD that can rival it
15:32:45 <PayphoneEd> Well... did you at least pirate Windows XP?
15:33:03 <crc> no
15:33:06 <crc> it came with this box
15:33:15 * crc didn't pay for this box
15:33:16 <PayphoneEd> Eh, marginally acceptable.
15:34:51 <PayphoneEd> Komugi runs Toshiba MS-DOS 3.30 and Windows 2.03 (Not very often, though).
15:35:09 <PayphoneEd> Komugi is a Toshiba T1200 PC/XT Compatible laptop. :3
15:35:59 <crc> ahh
15:36:13 <PayphoneEd> I hardly use Windows 2.03
15:36:21 <PayphoneEd> The best version of Windows was 3.1
15:36:37 <crc> This box is Strider. It runs Windows XP and various other OSes under Qemu
15:36:37 <PayphoneEd> Probably because that's what I started with.
15:36:45 * crc started with 3.0
15:36:52 <PayphoneEd> This box is Piyoko, nothing but Linux.
15:36:52 <crc> I still hate Windows
15:37:14 <PayphoneEd> There's Ryoko, Windows XP/Sun Solaris 10/NA/NA/NA
15:37:21 <PayphoneEd> Ryoko is set up to run 5 OSes.
15:37:32 <crc> Cool
15:37:34 <PayphoneEd> She's a P4-1800.
15:37:43 <PayphoneEd> I also have Minako, a P1-166.
15:37:50 <PayphoneEd> Set up to run 6 OSes.
15:38:04 <PayphoneEd> NEVER USE FREEDOS.
15:38:07 <crc> My old box was multibooting: Windows XP, Ubuntu Linux, FreeBSD, BeOS, RetroForth/Native
15:38:08 <PayphoneEd> It really, really sucks.
15:38:10 <crc> Why not?
15:38:19 <PayphoneEd> Use Caldera DR-DOS 7.03
15:38:21 <crc> I have a FreeDOS boot disk for some occasional uses
15:38:38 <PayphoneEd> It's okay for occasional uses or to use Smart Boot Manager...
15:38:39 * crc prefers to use MS-DOS 5.11
15:38:44 <PayphoneEd> lol
15:38:54 <PayphoneEd> Switch to DR-DOS 7.03, it's great.
15:39:05 <crc> What's great about it?
15:39:11 <crc> My main OS these days is Linux
15:39:23 * crc is always connected to at least one dedicated Linux box
15:39:32 <PayphoneEd> It's the best free DOS I've found.
15:39:48 <crc> Does it come with sources?
15:39:58 <PayphoneEd> No, but it works.
15:40:05 <PayphoneEd> Unlike FreeDOS.
15:40:13 <PayphoneEd> FreeDOS still have a ways to go.
15:40:44 <PayphoneEd> I've never successfully formatted a diskette with FreeDOS.
15:40:59 <crc> I'll just stick with MS-DOS 5.11 until FreeDOS is stable
15:41:01 * crc has
15:41:35 <PayphoneEd> Go ahead and try out DR-DOS 7.03, it's even got networking components if you need them.
15:42:00 <PayphoneEd> 5x 1.44MB diskettes to install.
15:42:05 <crc> I use a Linux boot+root disk more these days
15:42:21 <PayphoneEd> Well DR-DOS is more for a permanent install.
15:42:23 <crc> How much ram does DR-DOS need?
15:42:30 <PayphoneEd> Not a lot.
15:42:41 <PayphoneEd> I've ran it in 4MB, I believe.
15:42:52 * crc only has 2MB in the 386
15:43:06 <PayphoneEd> I think it could run on that.
15:43:11 <crc> And I run Oberon System 3 on that
15:43:18 <PayphoneEd> I also have a copy of AT&T Unix System V Release 4.1
15:43:19 <PayphoneEd> :3
15:43:21 <crc> Can it run in 64k?
15:43:33 <crc> I have an original IBM PC with 64k of RAM
15:43:36 <PayphoneEd> I just need an old 386 to run it on.
15:43:44 <PayphoneEd> Cool!
15:43:47 <PayphoneEd> You a collector?
15:43:58 <crc> I run either DOS 2.11 or RetroForth/Native-16 on it
15:43:59 <crc> yes
15:44:05 <PayphoneEd> Sweet.
15:44:12 <crc> Of the x86 PC line primarily
15:44:21 <PayphoneEd> I have a Sharp PC-7000 that has no OS for it...
15:44:30 <PayphoneEd> 360k 5.25"
15:44:41 <PayphoneEd> Can't find a working 5.25" drive anywhere...
15:45:00 <PayphoneEd> Komugi is my T1200, I actually take her to school.
15:45:15 <PayphoneEd> She's heavy as fuck but I love how she turns heads.
15:46:35 <crc> I have a couple of Apple Newtons and an Apple eMate
15:46:39 <crc> those turn heads :)
15:46:51 <Snoopy42> hehe
15:46:55 <PayphoneEd> A couple?
15:46:59 <PayphoneEd> Can I have one? Please?
15:47:06 <crc> no...
15:47:09 <PayphoneEd> Aw...
15:47:24 <crc> The MP2000 is in horrid shape, physically
15:47:31 <crc> I need to repair it later this summer
15:47:31 <PayphoneEd> I hope I win this one auction I'm bidding on.
15:47:39 <PayphoneEd> Old Sharp pocket unit...
15:47:52 <PayphoneEd> I've lost every other one so far, hopefully I nail this one down.
15:48:03 <crc> My favorite is the Original Message Pad
15:48:28 <crc> The hwr wasn't quite as good as the later models, but it just felt more natural to use overall
15:48:38 <PayphoneEd> I have a copy of Apple Unix 2.0
15:48:44 <crc> cool
15:48:54 <PayphoneEd> Downloaded ISO, I wish I had an old Mac to try it on.
15:49:03 <PayphoneEd> Finder over Unix? Kick ass.
15:49:55 <crc> Like what OSX could have been?
15:50:12 <PayphoneEd> Nah, it was based on Unix System V Release 2.
15:50:33 <PayphoneEd> It had the old finder, like MacOS had.
15:50:44 <PayphoneEd> I've seen screenshots, I just want to actually use it.
15:51:20 <crc> You need an old Mac
15:51:27 <PayphoneEd> I also want to actually use SVR4, though.
15:51:40 <PayphoneEd> I need an old 386/486 with a smaller drive, though.
15:51:47 <PayphoneEd> SVR4 can't handle LBA.
15:51:54 <arke> heh
15:51:58 <arke> thats kinda sad, actually...
15:52:04 <PayphoneEd> It's old.
15:52:10 <PayphoneEd> What do you expect?
15:52:17 <arke> when did svr4 come out?
15:52:31 <PayphoneEd> Not sure, but it's listed as Unix/386
15:52:46 <PayphoneEd> My copy is SVR4.1, last one I think was SVR4.2
15:52:56 <PayphoneEd> Then AT&T kinda passed it off.
15:53:26 <PayphoneEd> SCO Unix is evolved from Xenix, which was Microsoft's Unix.
15:53:30 <arke> System V Release 4.0 was announced on November 1, 1989 and was released in 1990
15:53:42 <arke> (wikipedia)
15:53:47 <PayphoneEd> There ya go.
15:54:06 <PayphoneEd> It's authentic AT&T Unix, it's awesome.
15:54:34 <PayphoneEd> I'm a phone phreak as well as an old computer fanatic.
15:55:07 <arke> gone, work
15:55:12 <PayphoneEd> Bye.
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