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04:53:08 Not really... just got up 04:59:57 do you know what time it is??!?!?! 05:00:06 14:00:59 < qFox> do you know what time it is??!?!?! 05:00:10 No, but irssi does. 05:00:18 well i was only asking... :) 05:03:01 16:02:04 05:04:24 hey all 05:08:52 I've embedded Gforth-written scripts into mail-server I'm 05:08:52 doing for our government. 05:09:08 :) 05:09:50 Cool. 05:10:02 Just a present for sysadmins there. :))) 05:10:09 So Forth determines the faith of Russia.... ;) 05:10:20 er, fate 05:10:58 guess its doomed then 05:10:59 ;) 05:11:09 it'll shrink and shrink 05:11:21 They wanted MS Excel format reports. 05:11:27 They got them. 05:11:33 Forth in addition. 05:12:42 It looks, I've written UNIX 'fold' and 'dd conv=block' in 05:12:42 Forth by the way. 05:26:18 --- join: crc (crc@pool-70-110-180-189.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 06:01:29 --- join: madwork (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 06:01:53 Hi. 06:02:08 http://robos.org/snippets/hbe.asm 06:02:09 http://robos.org/snippets/hbe 06:02:10 :) 06:06:40 Dobry vecer, crc and madwork! 06:07:19 Hello ASau! 06:08:33 Good news: now we have Gforth-written scripts in mail server aprf gov ru. 06:10:49 Heh, cool. 06:12:15 I've got tired of AWK etc. 06:12:49 AWK,.. oh gawd. 06:13:02 And as I was short of time, I've written fast quick hack. 06:43:45 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@c-24-218-95-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 06:43:45 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 06:44:35 Hi. 06:46:06 hi 08:01:27 --- join: PoppaVic (~pete@0-1pool111-232.nas12.pittsfield-township2.mi.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 08:01:59 I *hate* suffering brain-melt and needing to totally halt coding while I puzzle it out. 08:02:53 The ol' Chicken/Egg issue has (again, forcefully) raised its goddamned head 08:03:35 Heh, what are you working with? 08:04:10 C (of course) Trying to build up a namespace/voc/wordlist/order-stack module for use with lexing/parsing. 08:04:25 I always liked that about forth 08:05:55 Robert: working on a mini-shell program, (for a Make/autoshit replacement), and decided I wanted namespaces/vocs AND extensibility 08:06:43 Ah, nice. 08:07:24 I got all the way and up into a dict.[hc] mess, and suddenly realized I have to expose initialization at yet a higher level, or the users can never access the baseline voc 08:08:20 Needless to say, I'm feeling confuzzled and irked enough to just take a damned day off and let the hindbrain stew it 08:09:17 I'm beginning to believe the dict.[hc] needs to be pretty trusting, and share enough data with the script.[hc] level to initialize properly. 08:16:15 I'm not sure I understand the problem. 08:16:51 I'm not either... I'm trying to segregate heavily and use func-ptr alll over the place, in vector-tables. 08:17:26 My Forth is written in C, and it supports vocabularies internally. 08:17:40 Robert> remember an idea i had a while back, about counting links on websites like a webspider? 08:17:42 Basically, what I THINK I am hitting is the wall between "how the hell do we execute THIS" versus "set up the baseline dictionary of dictionaries" 08:17:53 qFox: Not really...why? 08:17:59 oh... well nevermind 08:18:11 in the process of creating it right now 08:18:17 but if you dont remember its ok 08:18:18 :) 08:18:28 madwork: url? Bear in mind, this is C dipping into forth-universe, rather than the reverse 08:18:57 http://sourceforge.net/projects/forthy 08:18:59 there is only one universe; that of the Forth, so that comment was entirely absolete... :p 08:19:07 You'll need to grab it with CVS, I haven't released any files yet. 08:19:08 (and yes you may ignore me) 08:19:20 wrong, but I admit - I am shopping info ;-) 08:20:31 damn.. no tarball 08:20:59 But anyway, each word header has a field for a vocabulary. I have a vocabulary stack, and when words are looked up, it searches the dictionary for matches based on the vocabulary stack order. It's pretty simple. 08:21:10 Sure 08:22:02 Given decent headers, it becomes doable... Add vtbl of funcptr, and you can streamline. I even segregate 'time' more like forth than C 08:22:35 funcs for lex-time, rule-time, and execute-script times 08:22:54 func POINTER, I should say' 08:23:41 I'm getting there, but the idea is just twisted enough, and my intention just obscured enough - to really muck my head periodically 08:24:04 And now you're working on my head too. ;) 08:24:26 yep, shoot me an email, I'll throw you a small tarball 08:26:02 I started out using indices for the header-names ;-) Clearing that up is prettier, but tends to add confusion. 08:27:08 It's the chicken/egg situation PLUS initialization that is bugging me 08:27:21 don't know that name 08:28:26 And, of course, I'm trying to avoid C/asm "tricks" - as well as trying to focus on "a module for programmers", rather than end-use. 08:28:27 Indices would be a more token-threaded approach, which is good for a Forth-in-C I think. Easier to persist the VM state. 08:28:53 well, folks got confuzzled with [0-N].[hc] 08:29:11 I'm confuzzled with [O-N].[hc] 08:29:24 o, 1, 2, 3... header and source files 08:29:29 o/0 08:29:56 bottom (most portable) .... top (least portable - most requirements) 08:30:23 Ahh, file headers, not word headers. Gotcha. 08:30:42 oh.. and, just to be a complete dufus... I'm TRYING to mandate only C, libc and libm 08:31:36 Less libraries the better, IMO. 08:31:48 Let them import what they want to use. 08:31:58 yeah, word-headers are an easy issue - I've disembodied and xref'd all OVER the place - with the idea being that some moron will just be a dick and expect to use flash or eprom. 08:32:37 the only expectations I have is they provide vtables of func-ptr shit, particularly for db-management. 08:34:23 Sounds like a complicated Forth. 08:34:38 well, mind you: it's NOT 'forth' 08:35:45 --- quit: ianp ("Lost terminal") 08:35:45 OK, mini-shell/make replacement. :) 08:36:25 It's an interface-module for between lexing and parsing, (we don't care how you do them), and supports lex, parse, & execute time. So you can write a [series] of lex/parse and use the same interface in any case - for namespaces, orders, vars, funcs, etc 08:37:07 --- join: ianp (~ian@inpuj.com) joined #forth 08:37:07 I got pissed off about lex/yacc, and just as pissed at forth, perl, sh, etc. 08:37:38 In fact.. hmm 08:38:24 I was thinking of the only/also/previous voc over "Rootvoc" as the BASE install before they called initialization for THEIR stuff, but... 08:38:49 I think I might as well consider more *sigh* 08:39:32 madwork: oh, and btw: there is no "stack" - this is all func-calls with args. BUT, they can deploy their own stacks. 08:40:32 ..and the idea is... You'd write a pile of C funcs, organize them into vtable-structs, and we'll be relying on yer code. 08:40:40 OK. 08:41:25 To my mind, this means they can write C, or ASM or whatever can "interface" with C/asm - and we are golden. 08:42:34 Yep. But this doesn't really affect the vocabulary issue. 08:42:41 and, given the db+wl vtables, they can use gdb, bdb, or any other database, including ram. 08:42:45 right. 08:43:09 I'm getting tangled with "doing too much, too soon" is my guess. 08:43:11 Unless they are able to create/extend vocabularies through their vtable functions... 08:43:16 yep 08:43:23 Could be. My head is already spinning. ;) 08:43:46 well, when I get your email, you'll get the basic tarball. 08:43:54 OK. 08:44:35 Now the problem with the vocabularies is that they will have to initialize their own search order? 08:44:53 I'm hoping the idea will simplify all my future lexer/parser issues, and let my lex/yacc code sorta' codify a syntax/sematic for this job as well 08:45:32 well, someone, somewhere will need to run dict_init(voctblp) 08:46:10 that is a struct-pointer to func-ptrs for wordlists, and those point to vtdb database functions 08:46:40 When does this need to happen? 08:46:45 so, you can work "a db" and a "wordlist" which is a threaded-set of db 08:47:13 madwork: ahh, and therein is why I am not adding another line today. 08:47:49 the dict_dict.[ch] was doing it, but I THINK we need to back it off to dict_script.[hc] 08:48:55 afaik, you need an init to run the heirarchy downwards... Think of recursive calls 08:50:02 from THAT point, the module-user is making calls with namestrings 100% - which means HE is the one that defined whatever 'words' his "language" he was writing 08:50:33 the input TO the whole system - console or file - is not remotely of interest to me. 08:51:00 nor is infix/postfix or whatever - at that level 08:54:09 maybe - just maybe - the USER of this module would care to write a "get a 'word'" function.. I don't see it as required for this module. 08:54:53 as long as we have char* and context *, I think we may have a solution - but sorting out ideas and times/modes is quite the whore 09:08:43 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 09:10:34 --- join: PoppaVic (~pete@0-1pool111-161.nas12.pittsfield-township2.mi.us.da.qwest.net) joined #forth 09:10:51 danged isp 09:26:06 madwork: hmm... I'm beginning to consider one single stack for the core. 09:28:58 Vocabulary stack? 09:29:14 no, data 09:29:22 it would simplify arg-passing 09:29:33 Ahh. Yep, sure would. ;) 09:29:43 the voc-array/stack is already integral to a struct 09:34:34 madwork: note, my 'stack' code is also queue-code ;-) 09:35:48 Sure, why not? :) 09:37:10 hmm.. That could change shit down several levels. 09:37:48 I was TRYING to avoid it all early on, but perhaps the higher I get, the more sense it makes. 09:57:37 --- join: virl (~hmpf@62.178.85.149) joined #forth 10:17:54 --- quit: Frek ("Client exiting") 10:18:28 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h208n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 10:19:46 --- quit: Frek (Client Quit) 10:23:40 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h208n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 10:28:50 hmm... I may need t back down about 3 files 10:30:04 apple is going intel; confirmed right now 10:30:17 bullshit 10:30:35 Not a chance in hell, other than MAYBE porting sw 10:30:56 PoppaVic: it's already confirmed 10:31:02 by steve jobs 10:31:06 I won't believe it ;-) 10:31:18 No one sane suffers intel 10:31:35 AMD or motorola, sure 10:31:55 PoppaVic: well it's nothing to doubt about 10:31:58 it's the truth 10:32:09 and the reason is not because the PowerPC stinks but rather bad relations to IBM and Motorola 10:32:23 I do doubt it, and maybe I'll live long enough to see it - but, I doubt it 10:33:08 IBm has dick to do with Motorola, less than Apple. Maybe you mean IBM and intel. 10:33:43 otoh, My chip experience was lost over a decade ago 10:33:53 PoppaVic: uh + 10:33:54 ? 10:34:09 Motorola/Freescale supplied G4 processors, IBM supplied the G5 (and G3s in the past) 10:34:45 If you had said IBM and zilog, I'd be at least as skeptic 10:35:09 The idea is too depressing and insane 10:35:50 PLEASE be twisted and perverse 10:36:11 lord... *sigh* I've been around too long. 10:36:41 Vic? As in the C64's Vic II chip? 10:36:46 Frek: what url? I'm heading into suicidal-mode 10:36:47 :D 10:36:58 PoppaVic: it hasn't reached www yet I think 10:37:02 ahh 10:37:31 madwork: As I understood them, they were custom-chips 10:38:05 I had one, btw 10:39:03 Frek: I've a buddy, at IBM, that does chips/chemistry.. So, until I see something that affects stocks and such, I have to scream "Noooooo!" 10:39:39 The idea makes me slightly ill 10:39:50 PoppaVic: yeah it sucks ass I like the powerpc; but I don't think it's worth staying on a platform that Freescale/IBM intentionally tinker when OS X could be strong in the "free" 10:39:55 And, of course, it'd be "outsoruced", too 10:40:08 sourced 10:41:14 I don't care any more about the power-pc than the ancient z-8000, what I CARE about is it is not tied to intel: the Intel that is butt-buddies with bill-gates 10:41:55 years ago, I went AMD to endrun intel-crap 10:42:28 if apple goes to intel, they can't remotely, POSSIBLY justify their laptop/desktop costs. 10:44:14 well it's not about the chip 10:44:19 And, mind you: the chips will be outsourced, the code and prolly MacOSX 10:44:25 it's about IBM trying to ruin apples business 10:44:37 IBM didn't like apple being competetive in the servermarket 10:44:44 they CAN'T - unless apple caves - which I told you 10:44:52 they can 10:44:57 they did for the past years 10:44:59 * PoppaVic sighs 10:45:42 If I owned apple, I'd have boughten/merged with motorola and bought zilog - those assests alone would scare intel 10:46:18 nothing I've ever seen from Intel makes me feel they are remotely "the end all" of chips 10:46:39 their ONLY claim-to-fame is M$ 10:46:58 they're demostrating the PowerPC JIT on the x86 now 10:47:35 JIT - oh, please.. *sigh* I give up.... I'll switch back to linux on an AMD board. 10:48:04 "it works without a hitch" 10:48:08 so what? 10:48:45 so transistion is covered 10:48:55 old PPC OS X software will work "without a glitch" 10:48:55 translation, anyway 10:49:25 yep: impress me - show me there is a reason to BOTHER now. 10:50:03 itself, macosx is not remotely enough to make me wet the chair 10:50:17 I think it's better we all wait until the keynote is made available 10:50:24 Yeppers 10:50:41 "Show me" 10:50:48 "why?" 10:50:49 --- quit: virl (Remote closed the connection) 10:52:03 I certainly grant y'all: a fullblown forth-based system at 1+ghz can make life really interesting 10:52:06 http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html 10:53:28 They lie on one hand and cave on the other *sigh* 10:53:40 OK, so much for those twats 10:54:20 Happy Fuckin' Birthday - "The world is 100% intel" 10:54:30 shit 10:55:17 madwork: lookin' forward to an email-connect.. I'm ready for a nap 10:55:36 --- quit: PoppaVic ("Pulls the pin...") 11:45:44 --- join: snoopy_1711 (snoopy_161@dsl-084-058-133-133.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 11:54:08 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11:54:31 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 12:00:39 oh my god 12:01:01 OMG? 12:01:03 I just looked ever most of the instructions for changing the hard drive of an ibook 12:01:10 I'm on page 12 of 15 12:01:22 :-. 12:01:24 haven't even gotten access to the thing yet. still taking off screws and stuff 12:20:42 wow 12:24:37 Hah. 12:39:30 nasty out 12:39:34 at least for walking in the sun 12:39:45 but I got the stupid little torx screwdriver I'll need 12:40:15 I felt something, a disturbance in the network, as if a million mac zealots cried out in horror and were suddenly silenced 12:40:31 APPLE WILL USE x86 CHIPS!!!!! 12:40:34 OMG!!1111oneoneone 12:41:23 :( 12:41:53 arke: now someone really needs to come out with a cool cheap forth chip :) 12:43:33 tathi: :) 12:46:29 ah well, fortunately I wasn't really planning to buy another new computer 12:46:38 (at least not for a looong time) 12:51:54 --- join: Sonarman (matt@ppp-66-124-255-68.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 12:52:03 --- join: Al2O3 (~Al2O3@c-24-1-126-202.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:56:44 macintel :) 12:57:53 I440r: find the problem with your localtime stuff? 12:57:55 McIntel... the 70s legacy of Intel, and the quality of McDonalds. 13:00:41 tathi no: its not the localtime stuff thats barfing, its the memory manager. but it didnt start doing that until i wronte the localtime stuff 13:00:56 not had a chance to look, had a date with a GORGEOUS female from work haha 13:01:06 ah. 13:02:33 i cant even THINK what would cause that 13:02:55 it doesnt fail till it starts freeing up memory 13:03:25 yay for screwy bugs 13:03:47 (isforth certainly manages to come up with more than its share of them) 13:03:53 not really 13:04:03 :-P 13:04:08 i have encountered very few bugs in isforth that were of a major concern 13:04:32 this one is probably something stupid 13:29:08 I440r: I did my first word cross-compile in isforth last night 13:29:21 yea i saw :) 13:30:37 did it run as expected ? 13:31:52 --- join: tathi_ (~josh@pcp02123821pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:32:00 wb 13:34:56 --- quit: tathi (Nick collision from services.) 13:38:09 --- nick: tathi_ -> tathi 13:39:11 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:39:43 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-68-93-112-19.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 13:44:27 I440r: yah.. it's super cheesy right now.. I'm still depending on isforth's interpreter to find the words 13:45:36 this was my first pass: 13:45:49 :) 13:45:53 ' : alias n: 13:45:53 ' ; alias n; 13:45:53 n: : mark create , does> @ relpos /rjmp n; 13:45:53 n: ; /ret n; 13:46:05 since it's a subroutine threaded forth 13:46:23 whats mark ? 13:46:28 for empty ? 13:46:36 or something of yours 13:53:11 oh, mark loads the current PC 13:53:23 it's really the in flash version of 'here' 13:53:48 so the word is set to the PC,.. and when you execute it, it grabs the relative position and encodes an /rjmp 13:54:04 I'm going to extend it, since that obivously doesn't work for words farther away 13:59:05 --- quit: vitaminmoo (Remote closed the connection) 14:00:39 who was it that didn't consider the PowerPC a clean RISC ? 14:01:15 dunno, why? 14:01:24 just curious 14:04:10 --- join: vitaminmoo (~vitaminmo@dsl-95-113.peak.org) joined #forth 14:06:16 define clean ? 14:19:07 --- join: Raystm2_ (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-60-73.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 14:21:16 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:40:52 --- join: Vaded (~Traced@S0106000f3d4a828f.ed.shawcable.net) joined #forth 15:18:41 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 15:23:49 hi all 15:26:11 Hi, crc 15:32:57 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 15:33:17 * Robert quickly hides. 15:34:38 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Robert 15:34:43 So what's new & exciting in the world of Forth? 15:35:24 * crc will be releasing the stable version of RetroForth 8.0 on July 1 15:36:14 * Robert hides from himself. 15:36:24 --- mode: Robert set -o Robert 15:36:26 Pheeew. 15:36:44 Oh, well... I was just thinking about kc5tja's Forth computer project(s). 15:36:44 Ah, RetroForth, one of the few ones I have kept my eye on. Thanks for the good work, crc. 15:39:46 thanks :) 15:40:23 Hmm, kc5tja is doing some experiments towards the Kestrel 32k now :) 15:41:34 I'm a user, not a programmer. I patiently await the day that there is a forth system for someone like myself available. Until then I use Windows, and DOS and Palm OS 3/4 on the side. 15:42:09 * crc wants to do a forth-os for normal users 15:42:22 * crc sadly lacks knowledge of what normal users need 15:42:41 Porn and animated mouse cursors. 15:42:54 lol 15:43:09 The problem I see is the lack of suitable display devices. 15:43:21 * crc has been thinking of duplicating the Newton user interface in a Forth OS 15:43:23 PC keyboards are cheap, easy to use and pretty convenient. 15:43:33 Old processors are almost free. 15:43:43 Same thing for SRAM chips below 64kB. 15:43:59 I think most normal users put up with the available choices, so they probably wouldn't be too interested in something that didn't offer the equivalent functions. 15:44:04 But the fun ends there :( 15:44:25 A crt is bulky, requires a lot of power, and isn't all that easy to use. 15:44:36 LCDs are expensive. 15:44:45 LED output is.....limited ;) 15:44:57 I've seriously been considering using my dot matrix printer. 15:45:06 But hearing that thing go off on every IRC message... 15:45:11 heh 15:45:12 What about TV's? Everyone has one. 15:45:25 TV's are too low-res to be practical 15:45:28 Yeah, I was working on htat. 15:45:31 crc: Not really. 15:45:49 What is the resolution of a TV about, approximately, 320x240? 15:45:58 crc: They're not exactly state of the art, but at least usable. 15:46:03 Robert: not for me 15:46:09 crc: Oh, why? 15:46:12 * crc can deal with low res if the screen size is small 15:46:16 * crc has bad eyesight 15:46:24 Ah, I see. 15:46:29 Ah... even worse than mine? That must suck. 15:47:11 Out of curiousity, what OS are you two running and connecting to IRC with? 15:47:23 Debian Linux 15:47:42 Anyway, about the TV (aside from being low-quality and not very practical), I've had some problems interfacing it. 15:47:54 I made a cheap modulator, which works SOMEWHAT 15:48:21 Robert: what's your vision? 15:48:40 But then there's the PAL timimng, which I got some untested PIC code for, but even the fastest ones can't do more than about 40x25 text modes. 15:48:53 * crc is connected from both Windows and Linux boxes 15:48:59 crc: Don't have the numbers, sorry. But my glasses are rather strong. 15:49:37 --- nick: Raystm2_ -> Raystm2 15:49:58 * crc has 20/500 at last check (2 years ago) 15:50:09 My vision is still getting worse too :( 15:50:40 500? :/ 15:50:55 * Raystm2 vision fading since 28 years old. :( 15:50:56 Yeah.. same here (about it getting worse), these glasses are getting a bit too weak. :/ 15:51:11 ya me too Robert. 15:51:42 need eye check, But you keep getting prettier so maybe I'll stay with these glasses :) 15:51:43 yes, 500 15:53:15 I know nothing about vision but that just seems ... not good. 15:53:33 it isn't 15:53:49 it means that I can see at 20 feet what normal people can see at 500 feet 15:55:07 Wow. Sounds like that could be debilitating. 15:56:03 If I don't have my glasses, I can't do much 15:56:15 I get severe eyestrain quickly without them 16:00:41 * Robert can read this text from 5" without glasses. 16:17:31 man, I've got to get my hair cut. 16:17:43 it's getting long enough that I have to comb it regularly or it tangles :( 16:18:16 Ouch. 16:18:22 * Robert recently got one :) 16:20:34 actually, I should have gotten it cut a while ago -- I tend to just ignore it. :) 16:21:16 That's a good strategy, until it grows too long to ignore. 16:22:36 yah, when it hits about 5" (like now) I have to actually comb it, and that's a nuisance. :) 16:41:13 --- quit: Vaded ("Night") 16:41:44 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:56:26 --- quit: KB1FYR (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:57:32 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 17:03:52 --- part: KB1FYR left #forth 17:06:30 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 17:27:02 --- join: sproingie (~chuck@64-121-15-14.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 17:35:53 --- part: KB1FYR left #forth 17:39:05 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 17:41:11 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:57:36 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:57:53 --- quit: crc () 18:02:24 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-34-157.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 18:06:08 --- quit: sproingie (Remote closed the connection) 18:24:30 --- quit: saon ("leaving") 18:24:40 --- quit: saon|smgl ("leaving") 19:04:38 --- quit: KB1FYR (Remote closed the connection) 19:05:35 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:05:37 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 19:08:44 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-62-224.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 19:18:16 --- quit: Al2O3 ("Leaving") 20:21:32 --- join: sproingie (~chuck@64-121-15-14.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 20:22:04 --- join: crc (crc@pool-70-110-202-43.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 20:22:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 20:49:49 --- join: snoopy_1711 (snoopy_161@dsl-084-058-133-233.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 20:53:55 --- join: Sonarman (matt@adsl-64-160-166-51.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 20:58:16 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20:58:29 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 20:58:58 hi 21:15:56 --- join: AlexF (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 21:15:56 --- quit: KB1FYR (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:29:17 crc later now working in colorforth ;) 21:31:59 re.. 21:33:05 hello alexander :) 21:43:50 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-91-106.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 21:44:36 --- join: saon_ (~saon@c-24-129-91-106.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 21:45:38 --- nick: saon_ -> saon|smgl 21:45:51 what's going on? 21:54:09 alexander_ arke is teaching me asm in a private chat ;) 21:58:58 nice 22:57:27 --- quit: AlexF (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:58:32 --- join: AlexF (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 23:16:26 --- quit: Herkamire ("off to bed") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.06.06