00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.05.30 00:01:32 --- quit: alexander_ ("Leaving") 01:05:54 --- join: snoopy_1711 (snoopy_161@dsl-084-058-021-145.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 01:14:28 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01:14:51 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 01:53:38 --- join: O3BEPH (~z@212.34.52.140) joined #forth 01:53:40 --- quit: O3BEPH (K-lined) 02:25:41 --- quit: Al2O3 ("Leaving") 02:30:46 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 06:05:54 --- join: madwork (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 08:08:51 --- join: okui53 (okui53@216-10-184-4.earthlink.wispnet.net) joined #forth 08:17:21 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp01375108pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 08:20:14 --- join: virl (~anonymous@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 08:27:00 --- quit: okui53 ("Leaving") 11:00:40 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11:27:23 --- join: madwork (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 13:08:30 --- quit: I440r_ ("Leaving") 13:12:30 --- join: I440r (~mark4@rrcs-24-242-160-169.sw.biz.rr.com) joined #forth 14:33:15 --- join: Stepan (~Stepan@khepri.openbios.org) joined #forth 14:33:18 hi there 14:34:22 Hi, Stepan. 14:34:25 Long time no see. 14:37:13 yeah indeed 14:37:44 i've become a bit lazy on the openbios and forth frontier 14:39:19 Same here, but that doesn't keep me from IRC ;) 14:40:37 i've started a new job like 10months ago, and it keeps me out of irc during the days and sends me to bed _faar_ too early ;) 14:42:09 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 14:43:51 Awwww. 14:45:25 --- join: Topaz (~top@sown-88.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 14:45:57 Hi 15:10:50 --- quit: Topaz ("Leaving") 15:10:55 --- join: Topaz (~top@sown-88.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 15:13:44 --- join: Al2O3 (~Al2O3@c-24-1-126-202.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:53:52 --- quit: Topaz (Remote closed the connection) 16:09:22 --- join: alexander_ (~alexander@69.17.112.153) joined #forth 16:09:28 re.. 16:09:43 --- join: KB1FYR|LT (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 16:09:49 --- quit: KB1FYR (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:10:00 Hi. 16:10:06 sup? 16:11:01 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 16:11:31 Playing with transistors. 16:13:27 cool 16:18:23 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 16:45:36 Robert: "This transistor is called Barbie. She is a 10mW transistor. This transistor is called Ken. He is a 25mW transistor, and really wants to put his positive charge into Barbie's negative input!" 16:46:39 25mW? Such a wuss. 16:59:44 --- quit: Al2O3 ("Leaving") 17:06:27 Whoa 17:06:36 That diode isn't feeling very well right now. 17:10:23 Was Ken too hard on Barbie? 17:11:08 Actually, this is an anti-smoking trick. The diode started smoking, and died shortly afterwards. 17:13:26 :) 17:40:34 --- join: Al2O3 (~Al2O3@c-24-1-126-202.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:47:35 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 18:27:01 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@c-24-218-95-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:27:02 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 18:33:52 --- join: I440r (~mark4@rrcs-24-242-160-169.sw.biz.rr.com) joined #forth 18:35:05 Hi 18:35:25 teh hies RObert 18:35:27 shouldnt you be asleep? 18:36:06 No. 18:36:10 Sleep is for the weak. 18:43:11 hello robert, arke 18:45:55 Hi. 18:46:16 How's the little retroforther today? 18:46:46 me? or crc? 18:46:49 I'm ... ok 18:48:22 saon, of course. 18:48:35 You're just arke, and crc isn't THAT young I think. 18:49:11 * Robert launches an 8 CD download. 18:50:49 hehe 18:50:53 good good 18:51:37 wishing rf had floating point. right now i'm learning some X11 to help with the solar death beam 18:57:20 ...what? 18:57:35 About floating point - why not implement it? :) 18:57:49 * saon is newb 19:00:30 You can't stay that way forever. 19:00:57 lol, indeed 19:01:21 floating point would be nice. and so would bindings for X11 functions 19:01:38 but you have to fill the stack with a lot of crap to call them it seems :( 19:01:59 perhaps hiding some junk like gc's and such would help 19:02:29 --- join: AlexF (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 19:02:56 adding floating point means i get to jump into assembler code too :) 19:04:28 perhaps starting a new forth would work as well 19:05:45 Yep. 19:05:52 Do it! Do it! 19:05:55 Oh 19:06:13 If you want to do me a favour, you know what to write it for ;) 19:06:23 lol, yes of course =p 19:11:46 Sooner or later you'll have to, anyway. 19:12:01 * Robert reveals his world domination plans. 19:12:12 of course, if i ever want to be a true forther i must roll my own 19:12:25 Yes. 19:12:36 But I was refering to coding for my computer. 19:12:52 well yes, i shall write one for your computer as well 19:13:03 i like the saltwater rom idea 19:14:05 you could do planar addressing with it, no? two sets of busses, one engaging a row, one engaging a column, and then recording if a connection was formed or not 19:14:14 you could use those microwells 19:14:21 that'd be pretty cheap i suppose 19:14:26 and easily reprogrammable 19:14:59 --- quit: KB1FYR (Nick collision from services.) 19:15:19 Well, that didn't work too well. 19:15:45 I'll use IC memory for now, but some day.. SOME DAY! 19:15:48 --- quit: Herkamire ("off to bed") 19:16:18 what didn't work about it? 19:17:57 Well, ionic solutions aren't exactly your ideal conductors.. 19:18:29 were you losing data from it because of low current levels? 19:24:26 I'm no chemist, but some reaction takes place which makes it unable to carry much charge. 19:24:54 did you try an acidic solution? 19:25:06 No. 19:25:31 that would likely work better 19:26:20 vinegar and salt would likely do well 19:28:08 Heh. 19:28:25 I wonder how much code you'd need to load data from a tape. 19:28:42 hrmm, depends 19:28:53 are you controlling the motors to drive the tape and the read head? 19:29:36 Don't know how to do that... would be a pretty cool hack though. 19:29:57 a simple stepper motor would suffice i imagine 19:30:02 Uhm. 19:30:29 Or a wire into the tape recorder :) 19:30:31 Hrm 19:30:36 there is a multitude of information regarding controlling stepper motors 19:30:52 I was thinking about implementing enough SRAM (with transistors) to run some code from. 19:31:25 But wait, I SI TEH DUMB. Loading code would be in ROM, which I hope to make easier anyway. 19:31:31 So it can be "big". 19:32:15 SRAM can be implemented with about 4 transistors/bit, or 32 per byte. For 32 bytes I need 1000 transistors :| 19:32:19 Bad idea. 19:32:41 lol 19:32:53 why would you need 4 per bit? 19:33:21 * saon doesn't know much about different types of ram 19:33:57 That's how it works... and DRAM.. nah. Don't want to mess with tons of MOSFETs. 19:34:23 * Robert considers a delay line of some sort. Too bad that's a serial memory type :| 19:35:03 wouldn't a delay line be expensive though? 19:35:56 Cheap mic + speaker... could work, but I doubt the performance will be great :) 19:36:40 I'll just use IC memory for now I think. 19:37:13 ooh, you could have destructable memory 19:37:38 Hm? 19:37:39 put a slow-buring solution in the cells and use photo-transistors 19:37:49 Heh. 19:37:53 :) 19:38:45 or vice versa and use little low-heat fuses that melt out when burned 19:39:26 and people wonder why Forth is lacking in mainstream appeal. ;) 19:39:36 :D 19:43:36 Robert, what were those papers you wanted me to read? 19:43:47 i'm at a good stopping point in Thinking Forth 19:44:27 "Moving Forth" and "Build Your Own Forth". 19:44:32 Moving Forth is good 20:12:04 --- quit: KB1FYR|LT () 20:49:08 --- nick: arke -> agent_smith 20:49:29 --- nick: agent_smith -> arke 20:52:56 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-32-107.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 21:21:34 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21:41:00 --- quit: alexander_ ("Leaving") 21:47:32 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 21:50:18 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-32-107.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 21:58:57 --- join: I440r (~mark4@rrcs-24-242-160-169.sw.biz.rr.com) joined #forth 22:22:00 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 22:27:06 --- quit: virl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:35:47 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-32-107.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 23:28:43 --- join: onetom_ (~tom@ns.dunasoft.com) joined #forth 23:28:50 --- quit: onetom_ (Client Quit) 23:53:00 --- join: Robert___ (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.05.30