00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.05.28 01:03:46 --- join: snoopy_1711 (snoopy_161@dsl-084-058-026-005.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 01:12:04 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01:12:24 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 02:43:49 --- quit: virl ("Verlassend") 02:43:58 --- join: virl (anonymous@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 03:30:16 --- join: Topaz (~top@sown-87.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 03:30:21 --- join: T0paz (~top@sown-87.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 03:33:38 --- quit: T0paz (Client Quit) 06:33:41 --- log: started forth/05.05.28 06:33:41 --- join: clog (nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 06:33:41 --- topic: 'Forth: One language, many dialects. #forth - general forth discussion. #c4th - ColorForth. #retro - RetroForth. #c4th-ot - social channel. #1xforth - a secret channel for 1x forthers. #concatenative - the category of language that forth belongs to (sorta).' 06:33:41 --- topic: set by thinfu on [Sun Feb 13 21:19:07 2005] 06:33:41 --- names: list (clog @Herkamire Topaz virl Snoopy42 I440r Raystm2 AlexF Sonarman madgarden Robert ianp warpzero Frek vitaminmoo saon|smgl arke saon cmeme OrngeTide skylan onetom madwork ccfg) 06:35:23 --- quit: Robert ("leaving") 06:47:00 --- join: crc (crc@pool-70-110-180-189.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 06:54:10 --- quit: Frek ("Client exiting") 07:03:13 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h254n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 07:09:34 --- quit: Frek ("Client exiting") 07:37:36 --- quit: Topaz ("Leaving") 07:53:36 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h254n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 08:06:12 --- quit: skylan (Remote closed the connection) 08:06:14 --- join: skylan_ (~sjh@dialup-216-211-57-166.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 08:21:07 --- quit: Frek ("Client exiting") 08:21:24 --- join: skylan (~sjh@dialup-216-211-57-166.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 08:21:37 --- quit: skylan_ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:29:18 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h254n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 08:51:48 --- join: KB1FYR|LT (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 09:02:32 --- quit: cmeme (Remote closed the connection) 09:03:26 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.2) joined #forth 09:03:34 --- part: KB1FYR|LT left #forth 09:03:42 --- quit: cmeme (Remote closed the connection) 09:04:20 hi all 09:04:28 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 09:04:29 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.2) joined #forth 09:19:31 --- quit: Frek (Remote closed the connection) 09:19:39 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h254n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 09:28:03 --- quit: AlexF (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:48:33 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 09:57:01 --- join: Robert (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 09:57:10 hi Robert 09:57:30 Hi. 10:04:12 --- quit: Robert ("brb") 10:24:08 --- quit: cmeme (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:24:30 --- quit: madwork (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:24:30 --- quit: warpzero (Excess Flood) 10:24:30 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.2) joined #forth 10:24:36 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 10:51:03 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 10:52:41 --- nick: Robert_ -> Robert 11:32:41 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 11:36:22 --- quit: Robert (Nick collision from services.) 11:36:33 --- nick: Robert_ -> Robert 11:47:48 --- join: Topaz (~top@sown-88.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 11:54:49 --- join: Serg[GPRS] (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 11:54:50 --- quit: Serg[GPRS] (K-lined) 11:55:07 Hah. 11:58:09 hah? 11:58:18 20:55:51 -!- Serg[GPRS] [~z@193.201.231.126] has quit [K-lined] 11:58:24 k-lined?! 11:58:56 that's not something you see every day... 12:01:47 Nope. 12:22:35 guess he tried to join #sovietunion 14:06:19 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:06:23 --- quit: Frek ("Client exiting") 14:22:33 --- join: Sonarman (~cleetus@adsl-64-160-166-87.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 14:25:11 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h254n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 15:12:35 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:21:12 --- join: T0paz (~top@sown-88.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 16:32:32 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:51:58 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@rrcs-24-242-160-169.sw.biz.rr.com) joined #forth 16:52:38 Hi. 16:53:13 ! 16:53:58 :) 16:54:15 * Robert discovered some isForth code earlier today, when cleaning the "workbench" 16:54:19 (~/projects) 16:54:38 http://robos.org/snippets/ants.f ;) 16:56:34 discovered ? 16:57:28 : step move current change if left exit then right ; 16:57:34 the exit is superfluous 16:57:39 and this can be coded better as 16:57:49 : step move current change ?: left right ; 16:57:54 Ah. 16:58:05 Well, I kind of forgot abouth that... thanks. 16:58:23 :) 16:58:37 And by discover I mean that I recovered some old (> 1 week) code I had forgotten about. 16:58:49 lol 16:58:54 old is more than a week old ? 16:59:03 boy am "I" old then 16:59:53 You're not old, you're ancient. 16:59:58 ;) 17:00:11 bleh 17:00:35 guess that makes you a baby :P 17:00:44 Yeah... :D 17:01:53 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:12:08 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-61-141.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:15:09 --- quit: Raystm2 (Client Quit) 17:17:50 --- join: Robert_ (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 17:24:45 * crc has been making good progress on the retroforth handbook 17:25:05 Cool. 17:25:33 http://www.retroforth.org/handbook 17:25:54 The tutorial and editor sections are done; I'm working on the glossary right now 17:26:21 looks nice. 17:26:33 --- quit: Frek (Excess Flood) 17:26:43 --- quit: T0paz (Remote closed the connection) 17:26:53 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h254n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 17:32:54 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:33:07 --- nick: Robert_ -> Robert 17:39:47 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-61-141.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:40:58 --- quit: Raystm2 (Client Quit) 18:05:54 --- quit: Frek (Remote closed the connection) 18:06:05 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h254n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 18:13:05 --- quit: Robert ("Now it's time to say good night. Good night, sleep tight. Now the sun turns on his light. Good night, sleep tight.") 18:35:02 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-61-141.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 18:35:10 --- join: Raystm2_ (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-61-141.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 18:52:25 --- quit: Raystm2_ ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 19:09:01 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 19:38:28 --- join: alexander_ (~alexander@69.17.112.153) joined #forth 19:38:29 hey 19:39:03 hello 19:40:22 I'm bringing up a forth for Atmel AVRs.. so I thought I might idle in here while I'm doing it. 19:40:40 good place to idle :) 19:41:29 :) 19:42:56 I've got a Forth assembler already written.. and I'm working on the kernel right now. 19:43:09 it's going to be umbilical for the time being. 19:51:24 --- quit: Herkamire ("off to bed") 20:05:28 my forth kernel just came up, printing a lot of 0x41s to the serial port. 20:06:01 it also has a light on. 20:06:05 congrats :) 20:07:03 thanks. 20:07:13 looks like the parameter and return stack are running properly 20:32:40 alexander_, what does your forth run on? 20:32:45 oh i see.. AVR 20:33:32 how much ram does an AVR have? 20:35:19 it depends on the AVR.. this chip has 1k of SRAM 20:35:30 hrm. that's not too bad. 20:35:34 it's pretty good 20:35:39 * OrngeTide is looking at the AVR instruction set right now. 20:35:48 looks like there are 16 registers? 20:35:51 32 20:35:55 oh. nice 20:36:01 you can load immediates into 16-31 20:36:03 are they all 8-bit regs? 20:36:05 yp 20:36:06 er yup 20:36:08 some are paired 20:36:14 for 16-bit ops ? 20:36:16 for things like indirect jumps 20:36:21 oh. i see 20:36:32 almost all instructions are 16 bits 20:37:45 so do to a 16-bit add you'd need 32-bits of instructions? add r2, r0; adc r3, r1; 20:37:54 yah 20:38:02 hrm. i'm not sure if I like that. but okay. 20:38:10 you've got 16k of flash 20:38:21 so there's a lot of leg room 20:38:33 hrm.. signed and unsigned multiply. that's nice 20:38:52 so do you use 16-bit cells in your forth? 20:38:55 yah 20:42:40 hrm. an ATmega16 on a 40-pin devel board for $20. the prices for these thigns can't really be beat. 20:43:22 yah 20:43:43 you can get an ATmega128 (4k SRAM, 128k flash) for 40 bucks, soldered to a dev board. 20:47:43 found one for $30 :) 20:50:59 hrm.. 68k and ARM are like $60 .. 20:55:44 --- join: AshyIsMe (~aaron@smm-208-145-219-137.tvlres.jcu.edu.au) joined #forth 20:55:48 hey 21:01:05 what's a good book for learning forth for programmers? 21:16:00 there's a lot of good online information 21:22:39 --- join: KB1FYR|LT (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 21:26:02 hmm 21:26:13 my implementation of KEY appears to not be working 21:36:06 fuck 21:36:21 works perfectly.. I just screwed up turning on the USART receiver. 21:51:00 --- join: yoyobean (~Noneof@66-169-224-182.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com) joined #forth 21:52:28 --- part: yoyobean left #forth 22:15:13 wish tathi was here :P 22:39:15 --- quit: AshyIsMe ("study") 22:39:52 I440r, i'm here.. how about me? :) 22:40:46 lol 22:40:47 :) 22:41:12 tathi need sto check in the isforth-ppc sources so i can see if i got the svn server configued right :P 22:51:51 http://www.dontronics.com/micro-vga.html .. Brilliant! rs232 to vga .. would be lots of fun for AVRs and stuff. the price isn't too bad $38 to $83 (depending on resolution you want) 22:54:11 --- quit: KB1FYR|LT () 23:01:21 NTSC/PAL version in July-ish. they have some demos doing decent text and even some graphics (space invaders and a fractal zoomer) 23:03:17 that's brilliant 23:07:06 yea. i think when my employer gets around to paying me I'll order one. 23:13:43 well i'm going to bed. nite. 23:16:01 late 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.05.28