00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.05.24 00:08:48 --- join: segher (~segher@blueice4n1.de.ibm.com) joined #forth 00:17:18 --- join: Robert___ (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 00:25:16 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:25:20 --- nick: Robert___ -> Robert 00:59:29 --- join: snoopy_1711 (snoopy_161@dsl-084-058-013-120.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 01:07:46 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 01:08:00 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 01:20:38 --- join: Robert___ (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 01:29:10 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:29:43 --- nick: Robert___ -> Robert 01:44:56 --- join: Robert___ (~snofs@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 02:02:31 --- quit: Robert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:06:43 --- nick: Robert___ -> Robert 03:37:04 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 03:43:04 --- quit: Frek (Remote closed the connection) 03:43:18 --- join: Frek (~anvil@h254n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 03:47:59 --- quit: KB1FYR (Remote closed the connection) 03:49:20 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 04:06:05 --- quit: bbls (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04:42:31 --- join: virl (anonymous@chello062178085149.1.12.vie.surfer.at) joined #forth 05:42:11 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-32-57.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 05:48:59 --- nick: Raystm2 -> nanstm 06:05:52 --- join: madwork (~madgarden@derby.metrics.com) joined #forth 06:06:26 Hi. 06:09:47 hi Robert 06:25:11 Hello. 06:52:26 --- join: Al2O3 (~Al2O3@c-24-1-126-202.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:43:38 --- quit: vitaminmoo (Remote closed the connection) 07:44:22 --- join: vitaminmoo (~vitaminmo@dsl-95-113.peak.org) joined #forth 09:22:38 --- quit: ianp ("Lost terminal") 09:41:06 --- quit: onetom (Remote closed the connection) 09:46:22 --- join: I440r (~foo@209-234-161-250.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 10:22:07 --- quit: I440r () 10:25:49 --- join: OrngeTide (~orange@rm-f.net) joined #forth 10:39:10 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@c-24-218-95-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:39:10 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 10:40:02 hi herk 10:40:34 hi OrngeTide 10:41:54 how are things? 10:54:04 good 10:54:26 my freelance work is going well 10:54:34 oh cool. what sort of work is it? 10:54:40 and I'm taking a break from herkforth to make time for other smaller projects for a bit 10:54:53 web design and web programming 10:54:57 * OrngeTide is a consultant now. doing 6 months at cisco 10:55:28 i'm terrible at web design. 10:56:00 web stuff is pretty annoying 10:56:08 I like the programming stuff. 10:56:36 but trying to write html/css that works very similar in major browsers is a huge pain 10:56:51 --- join: I440r (~mark4@209-234-161-250.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 10:57:35 I got time to rewrite my irc logbot to do the socket stuff it's self, and ping the server etc to detect when it's been silently dropped 10:58:27 and I've been playing with qemu and wine and netbsd to see if I can run IE on my ppc linux box 11:00:04 --- quit: segher ("Leaving") 11:01:45 I've given up (for the time being) getting winetools to run on linux ppc 11:01:59 and I've been playing with emulating a x86 netbsd with qemu 11:02:36 I just finally got networking working within that, so I can now learn how to install software etc 11:07:01 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 11:07:30 performance or size? which do you prefer Herkamire? 11:07:47 Herk, yea. a lot of people just narrow down what browsers they are willing to support. 11:08:22 you could run VirtualPC on OSX on MOL... :) 11:08:28 virtualpc costs money though. 11:09:20 qemu is nice, but it's not perfect yet. 11:09:42 i couldn't get netbsd to run under it at all. had more luck with bochs (except bochs is painfully slow) 11:10:17 performance usually gives you smaller size (although it doesn't give you the smallest possible size) 11:11:32 (generally because smaller things fit better in cache) 11:38:08 virl: what context? 11:38:34 actuall, I think I lean heavily towards performance 11:39:22 yeah, I like small and fast best :) 11:39:44 huh. I got a disk image for netbsd from freeoszoo.org and it worked fine 11:40:07 I had a hard time getting X set up, but that's X for you 11:40:43 I try to focus on user experience 11:40:58 if it's something the user waits for, then performance is important 11:41:38 if it's not possible to make it fast enough that the user doesn't have to wait, then it's worth spending a lot of effort t do something nice in the meantime 11:42:02 (show progress, allow them to continue working etc) 11:44:21 the thing I haven't managed yet is to get X running at 640x480 under qemu 11:48:00 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp01375108pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:51:38 yes, performance and small size would be very nice. 11:55:36 there will always be speed/size tradeoffs 11:55:56 the correct answer can only be known in a bigger context 11:56:30 I'm working on designing a system where more context is known 11:57:23 I want to build in some sort of profiler into my system which saves information about words should be faster 11:57:50 then the optomizer can do every trick in the book on those few words 11:58:01 and create small code for the rest 11:58:40 I was actually thinking about not even compiling most words to native code 11:59:16 do indirect threading or something as the normal compile method, and have the optomizer kick in when/if the word is taking lots of time 12:03:33 oh, I could do so many fun things 12:07:02 --- join: onetom (~tom@ns.dunasoft.com) joined #forth 12:55:09 --- quit: Al2O3 ("Leaving") 12:56:34 usually the trade off is performance vs devel time. rather than performance versus size. 12:58:12 yeah... 12:58:58 although, with better planning/skill/methodologies you get better devel time, size and speed 13:17:40 --- join: qFox (~C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 13:23:30 yea. i wish I could work at some place that has good planning. 13:24:46 cisco wants me to give them a quote on how long it will take to get linux 2.6 and all their custom apps working on theri board.... but they aren't even sure yet if they want to use powerpc, x86 or mips. (more than likely a powerpc + 4 x86s). there is no hardware spec. and if we use x86 we'll have to see what bios they use since that has a big impact on how easy it is to get linux to work. 13:27:49 --- quit: crc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:28:55 heh 13:36:50 --- join: AlexF (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 13:42:17 --- quit: KB1FYR (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:01:32 --- quit: vitaminmoo ("Leaving") 14:01:41 --- join: vitaminmoo (~vitaminmo@dsl-95-113.peak.org) joined #forth 14:06:45 --- join: I440r (~foo@209-234-161-250.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 14:32:41 --- quit: vitaminmoo ("Leaving") 14:32:46 --- join: vitaminmoo (~vitaminmo@dsl-95-113.peak.org) joined #forth 14:33:01 --- quit: virl ("Verlassend") 15:34:47 --- join: crc (crc@pool-70-110-180-189.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 15:35:06 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 15:38:29 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 15:56:38 --- join: Topaz (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 16:26:10 --- quit: Topaz ("Leaving") 16:26:11 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:26:55 --- join: danniken (CapStone@adsl-69-155-123-0.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #forth 16:27:13 --- quit: danniken (Client Quit) 16:37:46 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 17:48:24 --- quit: madgarden (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:48:38 --- join: madgarden (~madgarden@Toronto-HSE-ppp3708121.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 18:18:57 --- join: sproingie (~chatzilla@64-121-15-14.c3-0.sfrn-ubr8.sfrn.ca.cable.rcn.com) joined #forth 19:14:52 --- nick: AlexF -> KB1FYR 19:45:52 --- quit: saon|smgl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:51:15 --- join: arke (f2@bespin.org) joined #forth 19:52:12 hi 19:53:31 hey arke 19:53:55 Hi 19:54:04 :) 19:57:40 --- join: saon_ (~saon@c-66-177-224-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:57:49 ack 19:57:55 my 28 day uptime gone 19:57:56 :( 19:58:05 :( 19:58:18 Your geek pride is DOWN. 19:58:25 i know :( 19:58:37 You need two months of rf hacking to get it back. 19:59:07 --- join: saon__ (1000@c-66-177-224-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:59:37 not bad 20:03:52 --- quit: saon (Nick collision from services.) 20:03:57 --- nick: saon__ -> saon 20:04:44 hehe 20:04:47 --- nick: saon_ -> saon|smgl 20:04:53 okay, there we go 20:04:56 computers happy 20:04:57 saon, all your uptime are belong to ISP 20:05:06 :P 20:05:37 arke, something weird happened. i went to shut down one computer and the other went haywire like it force unmounted the drive 20:05:40 really odd 20:06:02 Hehe, thats odd 20:06:31 funniest thing I ever did was disconnect the hard drive on my SPARC while it was running irssi 20:06:46 irssi still ran without a problem 20:06:51 but if I did anything else it would bitch 20:06:52 :P 20:18:27 --- join: I440r (~foo@165.sub-70-219-187.myvzw.com) joined #forth 20:19:57 Hi. 20:20:23 teh hies 20:20:23 hi 20:20:56 hi! 20:22:08 Hi!!! 20:22:16 :) 20:22:19 we did that already lol 20:22:42 HI AGAIN DAMMIT MOTHERFUCKER SAY HI!!!! 20:22:45 lol 20:25:49 O_o 20:25:53 You need your pills. 20:26:02 Naah 20:26:03 :) 20:29:54 --- quit: arke ("Lost terminal") 20:31:58 --- quit: nanstm ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 20:51:38 --- join: arke (f2@bespin.org) joined #forth 21:35:49 --- quit: sproingie (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:23:51 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-32-57.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 22:27:46 --- quit: Herkamire ("off to bed") 22:47:20 --- quit: I440r () 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.05.24