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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02:14:25 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:14:47 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 05:34:55 --- quit: Al2O3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:56:45 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 05:57:16 --- part: aum left #forth 07:17:56 --- join: Al2O3 (~Al2O3@c-24-1-126-202.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:38:29 --- quit: Snoopy42 (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07:38:39 --- join: Snoopy42 (snoopy_161@p54A7CE52.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:24:03 --- quit: Snoopy42 (niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08:24:16 --- join: Snoopy42 (snoopy_161@p54A7CE52.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 08:43:45 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@c-24-218-95-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 08:43:45 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 08:47:58 --- quit: Alex|sleep (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 08:48:00 --- join: robert (~purple@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 08:49:15 --- join: Alex|sleep (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 08:50:30 Hi. 08:55:49 ola 08:55:54 :) 08:56:39 hi guys 08:56:44 Hi, docl 09:00:43 --- join: snoopy_1711 (snoopy_161@p54A7E5E1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 09:18:49 --- quit: Snoopy42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:19:01 --- nick: snoopy_1711 -> Snoopy42 09:43:19 hi all 09:52:28 heya crc 10:06:03 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp01375108pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:08:58 RetroForth 8 is now in Beta :) 10:09:10 yay :) 12:40:43 --- join: CXDoctor (~rex@pcp0010699353pcs.manass01.va.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:41:50 Hi, long time no see. 12:42:14 speaking to me? 12:42:52 Yeah. 12:44:20 wowsers 12:45:04 well my buds back in #concatenative were convincing me that it wouldnt be hard to port retroForth to ppc, and that I could even learn the ASM and do so myself 12:45:34 They're right. 12:46:02 Unless crc went nuts and added some heavily x86-specific magic. 12:46:09 robert: I didn't 12:46:26 except for use of the carry flag, but that can be handled in one the PPC's numerous registers 12:46:49 Good. 12:47:04 Actually, I keep cleaning up the assembly :) 12:55:54 * crc debates reviving the RetroForth kernel written in C that was started ages ago 12:56:16 Such impure thoughts... 12:56:38 heh 12:57:10 CXDoctor: you might want to try ATLAST, it's pretty nice for a portable Forth written in C 12:57:14 http://www.fourmilab.ch/atlast/atlast-1.1.tar.gz 12:57:14 Seriously, how large is the asm kernel? 12:57:21 2k compiled 12:57:33 Unless you hit the MB range, I doubt it's worth doing it in C. 12:58:04 :) 12:58:12 Or do you need up-to-date copies for a lot of platform? 12:58:17 +s 12:58:28 robert: just for the sh3 platform 12:58:36 I want to run this on a Jornada 680 12:58:49 How much of the work is on the asm part? 12:58:55 but I haven't been able to find any details on coding in sh3 assembly 12:59:03 most of the words are written in forth 12:59:28 So it's not much of a job to sync the port for major releases? 12:59:34 not really 13:00:23 * crc has thought about defining a virtual assembly language, and having convertors that take that source and generate real assembly for various CPU's 13:01:07 that's pretty much C 13:01:08 Isn't that the idea behind C? 13:01:14 Umm 13:01:18 maybe 13:01:26 I never really liked C's syntax though 13:01:28 well, C wasnt meant to be this 13:01:31 but it is now 13:01:55 if C was meant to be a generic assembly, it would actually look like an asm 13:02:19 heh 13:02:20 that 13:02:23 that's debatable 13:03:32 whoa 13:03:39 this atlast thing is reeeeallly small 13:03:43 heh 13:04:00 It's probably the best Forth-in-C that I've encountered 13:05:18 --- join: slava (~slava@CPE00096ba44261-CM000e5cdfda14.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 13:19:15 --- join: Topaz (~top@sown-85.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 13:33:17 crc: i'm speaking blasphemy, but there are some c-like languages that are better suited to being a virtual assembly language iirc.. like c-- and c(something) .. 13:33:50 can't remember the other one heh, i just remember it starts with c :P 13:33:54 how are they better than C? 13:34:21 slava: well i guess i should've appended *might* be better.. but they are designed to be virtual assembly languages expressly.. 13:34:45 gcc has a good optimizer :) 13:35:00 crc: what would be interesting tho is to maybe define a virtual forth assembly language.. like f21's assembly language maybe? 13:36:50 where can I get the early src for retro 8 13:38:34 well retro 8's current source is available at retro.tunes.org 13:39:02 he hides it there because its not a release yet? altho it might be on retroforth.org now that its Beta.. 13:41:09 I like the style of retro.tunes.org better 13:41:13 it's more.. retro 13:45:45 :) 13:45:49 its the new style 13:46:03 he's just tweaking it before moving it over to retroforth.org 14:11:54 CXDoctor: http://retro.tunes.org has the current source 14:15:07 err, thinfu already mentioned it... 14:15:11 hi thinfu :) 14:15:51 yah im like.. is there an echo in this chan ? lol 14:16:06 heh 14:18:53 --- join: T0paz (~top@sown-85.ecs.soton.ac.uk) joined #forth 14:19:17 --- quit: Topaz (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:28:46 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ts001d0556.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) joined #forth 14:59:18 --- join: I440r (~mark4@216-110-82-203.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 15:02:53 Markie :D 15:03:01 did you have your date? 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HUH?!") 16:00:01 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 16:08:10 gtg, bbl :) 16:08:13 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 17:18:05 --- join: Sonarman (~cleetus@adsl-64-160-166-221.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 17:38:02 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 17:39:10 --- quit: T0paz (Remote closed the connection) 17:44:38 --- join: danniken\ (CapStone@ppp-69-155-124-213.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #forth 17:44:38 --- quit: danniken (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:38:02 --- join: MrReach (~noone@209.181.43.190) joined #forth 18:41:06 --- quit: MrReach () 18:41:44 oh! 18:42:04 dang mrreach left too quickly.. 19:19:21 goodnight 20:50:45 --- join: danniken (CapStone@ppp-69-155-124-213.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #forth 20:50:45 --- quit: danniken\ (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:03:57 here is an HTTP client in Factor: http://paste.lisp.org/display/7871 21:09:27 --- join: danniken\ (CapStone@adsl-69-149-252-47.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #forth 21:17:59 --- quit: danniken (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21:32:26 --- quit: docl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:33:38 --- join: docl (~docl@dpcbw101248.direcpc.com) joined #forth 22:18:59 --- quit: warpzero ("leaving") 22:19:04 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 22:43:36 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 22:53:03 --- quit: danniken\ () 22:56:04 --- join: asymptote (~dmesg@68.48.8.92) joined #forth 23:23:54 --- quit: docl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23:29:38 --- part: slava left #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.05.01