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13:22:04 <pengy>          8#
13:23:42 <pengy> sorry oops
13:23:51 <pengy> cat on keyboard :p
13:28:52 <arke> Hehehe )
13:29:22 <pengy> she rolls around on my desk lol
13:29:32 <pengy> and she's too darn nice to kick off :)
13:29:57 <arke> Hehe
13:30:04 <arke> My dog is too big to be on my desk
13:30:14 <pengy> lol
13:30:21 <arke> Overweight yellow lab, best pet ever
13:30:30 <pengy> :)
13:31:05 <arke> I gotta be careful now though
13:31:14 <arke> I have a laptop, no desktop anymore
13:31:27 <arke> so I might just be sitting on the couch when she jumps on
13:31:33 <arke> (which she isnt supposed to do in the first place)
13:31:46 * arke returns to coding
13:31:49 <arke> saon: there?
13:32:13 <pengy> big huge doggy and a laptop, not a good combination :D
13:32:38 <arke> Not really :)
13:32:57 <arke> Although, I'm glad I have a laptop now
13:33:09 <pengy> at least my cat can't do much harm lol
13:33:13 <arke> lol
13:33:16 <arke> true
13:33:24 <arke> featherweight, they are :)
13:33:31 <pengy> not mine :p
13:34:11 <pengy> nicely rounded, to be polite
13:34:56 <arke> Hehehe :)
13:35:39 <pengy> I guess she takes after her mummy :p
13:35:51 <pengy> thats what my bf says I am to her
13:35:58 <arke> Same with my dog, I guess .....
13:38:05 <pengy> :)
13:39:16 <arke> Now, I'd like to know where saon went :)
13:39:19 * Herkamire blinks
13:39:54 <Herkamire> do we have a female forth coder here?
13:40:01 <pengy> I dont code lol
13:40:05 <pengy> but I am female ;)
13:40:20 <Herkamire> one outa two ain't bad ;)
13:40:25 <pengy> you'll all hate me prolly, I use windows XP :p
13:40:56 <pengy> I'm a friend of I440r's
13:41:09 <Herkamire> eh, I've got better things to do than go around hating everybody
13:41:13 <arke> I'm using XP to :)
13:41:18 <arke> too*
13:41:26 <pengy> ah goodie ;)
13:41:37 <Herkamire> but I don't have anything better to do that take out the trash and make dinner... shame
13:43:00 <pengy> my life... eat, sleep, irc, cook, clean, ebay...
13:43:59 <pengy> my bf is a coder
13:44:13 <pengy> he has his own company... you guys heard of SmoothWall?
13:44:32 <arke> Nope
13:44:42 <arke> But he can hire me if he pays good money
13:46:07 <Herkamire> do you make money on ebay? or just shop?
13:46:15 <pengy> shopping :D
13:46:24 <pengy> I collect small plastic ponies ;)
13:47:05 <Herkamire> oh god
13:47:09 <arke> I was thining about buing stuff from ebay and resell it
13:47:12 <arke> :PP
13:47:17 <arke> but, that wouldnt prove lucrative
13:47:27 <arke> slmebody would catch it eventually
13:47:53 <pengy> buy stuff from fleamarkets and thrift stores then sell it on ebay
13:48:56 <pengy> http://www.mylittlepony.org/gallery/mlpcollection
13:49:17 <pengy> not entirely accurate since I have an LCD monitor now and nowhere to balance them ;)
13:49:39 <arke> :)
13:51:52 <arke> GAAAAH!HH!H!H!H!H!H!H!
13:51:54 <arke> ITS PINK!!!
13:51:56 <arke> :P
13:52:08 <pengy> *giggle*
13:53:06 <pengy> It used to be blue but I am in the process of redoing it
13:53:34 <pengy> because I lost the font that I used for the buttons with the blue graphics
13:54:08 <pengy> some parts (like the guestbook) are still blue until I can figure out how to change them ;)
13:55:44 <arke> ;)
13:58:50 <Herkamire> I've been trying to think of something that occurs/grows n
13:58:54 <Herkamire> naturally around here
13:59:06 <Herkamire> My mom bought some driftwood on ebay
13:59:15 <Herkamire> apparently there's a lot of driftwood being sold on ebay
13:59:44 <Herkamire> trying to think of something similar that I can just go pick up around here
14:00:14 <Herkamire> best I've come up with so far is pressing fall foliage
14:04:02 <arke> :)
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15:19:38 <pengy> my gosh this is crazy
15:19:41 <pengy> http://www.thesurrealist.co.uk/priorart.cgi
15:19:57 <pengy> randomly generated "inventions"
15:20:20 <pengy> It's a sock that can be used in zero-gravity! It will make your pair of underpants obsolete.
15:33:43 <arke> hahahaah
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17:14:22 <saon> arke, you here?
17:23:06 <arke> saon: yep :)
17:23:12 <arke> saon: you havent sent me an email yet :)
17:31:15 <saon> yeah, i hadn't gotten too it
17:31:20 <saon> been playing with source mage
17:31:22 <saon> :)
17:32:06 <saon> that and i don't have a stable email (i can't stand spam, so, i jump around shell accounts every month or two)
17:32:16 <saon> and i have yet to make a new one
17:32:41 <arke> saon: I can send you a gmail
17:32:44 <arke> ..invite
17:32:49 <arke> the spam filtering is superb
17:33:02 <saon> i have a gmail account i think, got it long ago, never used it
17:33:07 <arke> never a false positive, and like 5 false negatives in this past year
17:33:10 <saon> =p
17:33:12 <arke> Aah
17:33:13 <arke> you should
17:33:14 <arke> :)
17:33:19 <arke> You know python?
17:33:51 <saon> not really. but i have seen python code and am fairly comfortable with the syntax
17:34:06 <arke> Its quirky but easy to work with
17:34:19 <arke> Also
17:34:22 <arke> go to leo.sf.net
17:34:26 <arke> I use that to make the documentation
17:35:07 <saon> coolness
17:35:23 <saon> you said you're building this for someone for money?
17:35:29 <arke> might be
17:35:37 <arke> if I get money for it you get half
17:35:47 <saon> lol, i could care less about money
17:35:57 <arke> this is my Complete Trustworthy IRC Promise (CTIP)
17:36:00 <saon> just don't want to get caught up in a license fiasco =/
17:36:05 <arke> Ahaha
17:36:16 <arke> if you wish, your name will never appear on it :)
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17:36:30 <saon> hello sonarman
17:36:52 <Sonarman> hi saon
17:36:58 * saon waits for linux kernel to build
17:37:08 <saon> i can't wait to play with sourcemage
17:37:16 <arke> whtas sourcemage?
17:37:26 <saon> it's a source-based linux distro
17:37:38 <saon> like gentoo, except, better (imo)
17:37:50 <arke> Neat
17:37:59 * arke doesnt have linux set up yet on laptop
17:38:06 <saon> it has a tighter community that's more helpful and their package system is nicer than portage (again, imo)
17:38:13 <arke> still using Windows XP, but in recent years windows has become quite more useable
17:38:17 <saon> erm s/portage/emerge/
17:38:29 <saon> i dunno, i don't like XP
17:38:31 <arke> Neat
17:38:32 <saon> i love 98se
17:38:35 <arke> aaha
17:38:39 <saon> and 2kPro
17:38:39 <arke> 98 was the worst
17:38:41 <saon> and that's it
17:38:48 <arke> 2000Pro was the best windows EVAR
17:38:50 <arke> :)
17:38:53 <saon> 98 is crazy stable for me :)
17:38:57 <arke> Hehe
17:39:03 <arke> don't play much DOS games, do you? :)
17:39:08 <saon> but that's because i strip it down and even replace the shell
17:39:15 <saon> i play some DOS games
17:39:28 <arke> Aah, you do the 98-gone-95 thing :)
17:39:37 <saon> :)
17:39:38 <saon> yup
17:39:44 <arke> :)
17:39:53 <saon> windows XP is too....ugly
17:40:07 <saon> i hate the jumbo title bars and such
17:40:23 <saon> and in terms of functionality, i saw no great improvement over 2k
17:40:41 <saon> plus i have shit hardware and running XP on a 450mhz is outright painful
17:42:08 <arke> Thats true
17:42:23 <arke> but I have a 1.7ghz laptop, with the ugly themes turned off (windows 2000 emulation :))
17:42:32 <arke> And I don't have a copy of Windows 2000 anymore
17:42:53 <saon> that's not so bad then
17:42:56 <saon> it'll run nice
17:43:10 <arke> It does
17:43:15 <saon> then again, i'm a minimalist freak that runs fluxbox and BadWM
17:43:16 <arke> I've had 0 problems
17:43:20 <arke> except for a bit of wireless weirdness
17:43:33 <arke> Hah! I run Ion and evilwm :)
17:43:50 <saon> i like evilwm as well
17:43:58 <arke> Its nice and evil
17:44:05 <saon> evil and Bad are very similar
17:44:34 <saon> if BadWM had some better keyboard movement support or evil had some better configuration support, i'd never use anything else
17:44:47 <saon> mplayer won't run in BadWM for some reason
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18:07:00 <arke> saon: sent
18:07:51 <arke> saon: evilwm takes about 0.000001 seconds to compile, and the source is tiny
18:07:59 <arke> saon: so you can config by editing the source
18:08:00 <arke> :)
18:08:03 <arke> (thats what I did)
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20:40:30 <Raystm2> hey 1440r_ you still there?
21:12:27 <I440r_> not for long
21:12:30 <I440r_> but yea
21:12:57 <I440r_> didnt get to sleep till 4 am last night, im half assleep already
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21:35:35 <Robert> Hi
21:38:11 <Robert> I need to implement a simple Forth in Java. If anyone has any smart tricks to avoid making a doomed project even slower, please tell me.
21:41:23 <arke> Make a detypifier class
21:42:05 <Robert> A what?
21:42:49 <arke> a detypifier class
21:43:09 <arke> cWord
21:43:26 <arke> Its basically presents a 32-bit word
21:43:32 <arke> so, the Forth is 32-bit aligned
21:43:48 <arke> and the class provides methods for converting to those 32.bit words and back
21:44:06 <arke> You do that to avoid Javas type system
21:44:13 <Robert> Is that even legal?
21:44:21 <arke> Sure
21:44:43 <Robert> That doesn't sound  like Java
21:44:49 <Robert> (it sounds too useful)
21:44:52 <arke> lol
21:44:57 <arke> I've done it in Scheme
21:45:01 <arke> so you can do it in Java
21:45:08 <Robert> wtf
21:45:20 <Robert> So that's where you get your information from
21:45:33 <Robert> /dev/urandom
21:46:09 <arke> no
21:46:10 <arke> lol
21:46:18 <arke> I'm not joking
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21:51:09 <Robert> Well, I was thinking about letting Java do the magic
21:51:44 <Robert> And convert from/to Integer/Float objects (that is VERY annoying, fyi, heil ruby)
21:52:09 <Robert> Anyway... time to go to school. bai
22:07:29 <Sonarman_> would it be possible to produce aluminum powder by disolving aluminum foil in NaOH and then performing electrolysis?
22:08:02 <Sonarman_> or HCl
22:13:12 <arke> probably
22:15:23 <arke> err
22:15:24 <arke> no
22:20:26 <arke> but if you heat it
22:20:41 <arke> dissolve the foil in NaOH then heat it
22:20:43 <arke> ...i think..
22:20:43 <arke> lol
22:37:07 <Sonarman_> hrm hrm
22:37:14 <Sonarman_> feeling better? :)
22:38:01 <Sonarman_> or would Al(OH)3 precipitate out?
22:38:40 <arke> Alimumum foil would be straight Al right?
22:38:44 <arke> Then NaOH
22:38:47 <arke> ...
22:38:54 * arke needs paper
22:38:57 <arke> havent done chemistry in a while
22:39:20 <Sonarman_> well, aluminum hydroxide is insoluble
22:39:27 <Sonarman_> iirc
22:39:37 <arke> but that would leave Sodium
22:39:44 <arke> hrm
22:39:58 <Sonarman_> yeah
22:40:24 <arke> You're trying to get raw aluminum powder from aluminum foil, using NaOH, right?
22:41:22 <Sonarman_> well, any chemical process; NaOH was just one idea
22:41:28 <Sonarman_> perhaps HCl instead
22:41:30 <arke> Aah
22:41:31 <arke> Hrm.
22:41:38 <Sonarman_> i want to make thermite :)
22:42:14 <arke> The problem is byproducts
22:42:17 <arke> hehe
22:42:17 <arke> .)
22:43:02 <Sonarman_> if i used HCl, wouldn't i just get hydrogen bubbles and AlCl3 precipitate?
22:43:04 * arke is thinking
22:43:15 <arke> probably
22:43:18 <arke> which is not good
22:43:22 <Sonarman_> no
22:43:27 <arke> err
22:43:30 <arke> hrm
22:43:35 <Sonarman_> i mean, no it's not good
22:43:38 <arke> AlOH isnt soluble, you said
22:43:39 <arke> oh
22:43:39 <arke> lol
22:43:48 <Sonarman_> :)
22:44:03 <arke> ACtually
22:44:06 <Sonarman_> well, Al2(SO4)3 should be soluble
22:44:15 <arke> well you want something NOT soluble
22:44:16 <arke> :)
22:44:38 <Sonarman_> but i want elemental aluminum powder, not a salt
22:45:17 <Sonarman_> or, maybe something insoluble that decomposes at a relatively low temperature
22:45:18 <arke> I know
22:45:23 <arke> oh
22:45:24 <arke> or
22:45:29 <arke> if you get a salt
22:45:39 <arke> you can then in turn do something to that
22:45:47 <Sonarman_> like what?
22:45:50 * arke is trying to remember
22:45:56 <arke> an acid and water
22:45:58 <arke> err
22:45:59 <arke> no
22:46:02 <arke> *sigh*
22:46:11 <Sonarman_> maybe a strong reducing agent would liberate it
22:46:13 <arke>  /connect irc.efnet.net /join #chemistry
22:46:23 <Sonarman_> sweet
22:46:24 <arke> theres chem profesors at universities there
22:46:47 <arke> you joining?
22:47:46 <Sonarman_> not tonight
22:47:49 <Sonarman_> gonna go to bed soon
22:47:54 <arke> lol
22:47:58 <arke> Ill do it for you
22:48:02 <arke> just wait another minute
22:48:27 <Sonarman_> heh. sure
22:48:29 <Sonarman_> thanks :)
22:49:26 <Sonarman_> i'm starting to question that this is possible
22:49:37 <arke> it probably is
22:49:42 <arke> how do you make thermite?
22:49:47 <Sonarman_> all the info i've found on aluminum powder refers to using a ball mill to grind aluminum
22:49:58 <Sonarman_> thermite is iron oxide and aluminum
22:50:13 <arke> FeO + Al
22:50:33 <Sonarman_> and Fe2O3, i suspect
22:51:01 <arke> they say
22:51:03 <Sonarman_> when the mixture is ignited, the aluminum will reduce the iron, producing HUGE amounts of heat
22:51:07 <arke> grind it
22:51:09 <arke> lol
22:51:15 <Sonarman_> :'(
22:51:28 <arke> you could probably take a few sheets and grind
22:51:51 <Sonarman_> yeah
22:52:00 <Sonarman_> it's just that using chemistry sounded so much more fun
22:52:07 <Sonarman_> grinding's gonna be a PITA
22:52:10 <arke> actually...
22:52:11 <arke> lets see
22:52:16 <arke> maybe this guy has something
22:54:21 <Sonarman_> hrm?
22:54:51 <arke> nope
22:54:53 <arke> you get to mash it
22:54:53 <arke> lol
22:54:59 <arke> clump a bunch together
22:55:05 <arke> then mash it
22:55:07 <arke> :)
22:56:17 <Sonarman_> hege
22:56:18 <Sonarman_> hehe
22:56:21 <arke> oh
22:56:22 <arke> btw
22:56:25 <arke> it doesnt have to be powder
22:56:26 <arke> lol
22:58:18 <arke> Can you think of a way to make FeO really fast?
22:59:43 <arke> <Lem> so my question is this
22:59:43 <arke> <Lem> Agent Smith can replicate himself.. but, why would there be a fork(), if there is no spoon()?
22:59:46 <Sonarman_> for thermite?
22:59:52 <arke> yeah
22:59:55 <Sonarman_> i'm pretty sure they do need to be powder
22:59:57 <arke> now i wanna make thermite too
22:59:58 <arke> :)
23:00:02 <Sonarman_> yay!
23:00:23 <Sonarman_> you could burn steel wool
23:00:43 <Sonarman_> maybe soak some steel in vinegar
23:00:56 <arke> Fe2O3 + 2Al . Al2O3 + 2Fe
23:01:05 <Sonarman_> yeah
23:01:08 <arke> burn steel wool
23:01:16 <arke> and whats left over is my fe203?
23:01:35 <Sonarman_> a mixture of FeO and Fe2O3, i believe
23:01:35 <arke> hrm
23:01:39 <arke> aah
23:01:41 <arke> good enough
23:01:42 <arke> lol
23:02:08 <arke> so i mix up the aluminum
23:02:09 <arke> and the rust
23:02:14 <arke> and i ignite it
23:02:19 <Sonarman_> i don't know if ferrous  or ferric is better for thermite
23:02:21 <arke> and I make sure its somewhere that cant break anything
23:02:22 <arke> lol
23:02:32 <Sonarman_> ignite it using magnesium ribbon
23:02:40 <arke> lol
23:02:46 <Sonarman_> it'll reach >4000F
23:02:47 <arke> naah
23:02:51 <arke> piece of rope
23:02:52 <arke> ouch
23:02:52 <arke> lol
23:02:59 <arke> that will burn through concrete, huh
23:03:05 <Sonarman_> i don't think rope will get hot enough to ignite it
23:03:08 * arke is trying to think -- where to burn this...
23:03:25 <Sonarman_> damn, it's late
23:03:29 <arke> well, i could soak it in a bit of gasoline ;)
23:03:35 <Sonarman_> hehe
23:03:52 <Sonarman_> night :)
23:03:57 <arke> good night
23:03:58 <arke> ooh
23:03:59 <arke> before you leave
23:04:01 <arke> tell me
23:04:06 <Sonarman_> yes?
23:04:06 <arke> whats the best place to burn this?
23:04:11 <arke> without fcking soemthing?
23:04:18 <Sonarman_> who cares?
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23:04:31 <arke> lol
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