00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.04.17 00:40:36 --- quit: Herkamire ("off to bed") 01:04:27 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 01:22:31 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 03:07:20 --- join: Serg[GPRS] (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 03:22:04 hi ! 03:23:17 --- quit: Serg[GPRS] () 04:05:36 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 05:29:39 --- quit: aum () 07:51:01 --- join: saon (1000@c-66-177-224-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 08:08:59 --- join: Al2O3 (~Al2O3@c-24-1-126-202.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:34:21 --- join: Serg[GPRS] (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 09:35:26 --- quit: Serg[GPRS] (Client Quit) 09:41:59 hi all 10:10:51 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@c-24-218-95-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:10:51 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 10:16:22 --- join: danniken\ (CapStone@ppp-70-245-12-206.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #forth 10:19:24 --- quit: danniken (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:19:36 --- nick: danniken\ -> danniken 10:20:00 --- quit: danniken (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:21:37 --- join: danniken (CapStone@ppp-70-245-12-206.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #forth 10:30:53 --- join: robert (~purple@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 10:46:40 --- join: I440r (~mark4@rrcs-24-242-160-169.sw.biz.rr.com) joined #forth 10:54:04 --- quit: I440r ("brb") 11:05:39 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp01375108pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:08:00 Hi 11:08:50 robert: robtrob! 11:08:53 :) 11:10:19 Hi there... watch out, or I'll show you my latest creation. 11:10:58 --- join: flobb (flobb@dhcp-164-115.cable.infonet.ee) joined #forth 11:11:58 --- quit: flobb (Client Quit) 11:15:34 * crc is happy: the hardest part of the disassembler is done :) 11:16:07 * tathi cheers :) 11:16:13 inspect words 11:16:14 words: 11:16:14 call 401c4b ; last 11:16:14 call 423db5 ; @ 11:16:14 call 424121 ; 0; 11:16:14 call 423d8e ; dup 11:16:16 call 4019f7 ; literal 11:16:18 dd 9 11:16:20 call 423e25 ; + 11:16:22 call 423d8e ; dup 11:16:24 dec eax ; 1- 11:16:26 call 423dbf ; c@ 11:16:28 call 4010f1 ; type 11:16:30 call 4242c3 ; space 11:16:32 jmp 424308 11:16:57 Cool. 11:17:32 It'll correctly disassemble about 95% of the forth code I compile now 11:18:04 I still need to add support for the conditionals, loops, and return stack words 11:19:43 Will you insert dummy instructions for THEN, or use the IF offset to track it? 11:20:39 I'll use the IF offset 11:20:49 * crc refuses to add dummy instructions 11:21:33 Hehe. 11:22:18 Afraid that a 80% slowdown will become an 81% one? ;( 11:22:34 (ouch, inconsistent grammar) 11:23:07 no 11:23:24 I just can't see a value in adding dummy code 11:23:31 good Sunday friends :) 11:23:57 i'm a dummy, I see value in adding my code :( 11:24:11 oh not that kind of dummy ..... got it 11:24:23 hi ray 11:24:46 Hi Ray. 11:24:48 sup , you working on the inspect'or 11:25:00 hey tathi how you been lately :) 11:25:03 So...robert...what's your latest creation? ;) 11:25:14 Raystm2: yup 11:25:31 This will be added to retrospect by the end of the week 11:26:04 yay!! that will help me imensly, "see' always helps me figure out the foundation I'm writing to, 11:26:51 infact, i find inspectors invaluable, at my level of knowledge. 11:27:08 Hi, robert 11:27:20 Er 11:27:22 Hi, Raystm2 11:27:25 hi robert :) 11:27:28 hehe 11:27:35 I knew what you ment :) 11:27:44 tathi: Think Forth... then think COBOL. And finally, implemented in Java. 11:27:58 ...oh. 11:28:02 :) 11:28:26 what's that called, Fur-bol ? 11:28:37 Hehe 11:28:43 Hack up a FurBol 11:28:49 It's homework. 11:29:16 Actually, it's part of a game I have to write. 11:30:50 robert interactive fiction? 11:33:48 Hmm.. not really. Simulated rocket, and your goal is to write code for it (which doesn't get anyone thrown into the sun) 11:36:45 ah cool, 11:36:59 * Raystm2 grew up liking rockets and books about them 11:37:48 * robert was born the year of Challenger ;) 11:38:10 * Raystm2 used to use old "three-piece-body" bic pens as my rockets 11:38:13 hehe 11:38:43 * Raystm2 was born before the moon landing, when I was born, we hadn't been there yet and it was still impossible. 11:39:03 It used to be romantic. 11:39:22 now it's just a vacation location, ( nearly) 11:41:53 daddy taxi is now in effect 11:42:18 Hehe 11:42:22 brb 11:42:24 Have fun ;) 11:42:52 ya right, 12 minutes of gigilling girls and sunday mall traffic , yikes 11:42:54 I read the japs are starting to seriously dream about walking on the moon. 11:43:26 crc nice work on the disassembler! 11:43:30 somebody should, after all, we are the virus of the universe. 11:44:25 Herkamire: thanks 11:44:39 * crc is happy to have a mostly working one at last 11:45:24 x86 makes writing assemblers and disassemblers painful... 11:50:29 --- nick: sk1p_ -> sk1p 11:53:00 Hehe, that's right. 11:57:22 * crc will have to revive the assembler at some point 12:01:14 LOL http://www.ozyandmillie.org/1998/om19980619.html 12:02:13 Hah 12:14:34 http://www.ozyandmillie.org/1998/om19980717.html 12:17:02 :) 12:17:28 Starting from the beginning, are you? :) 12:19:53 http://www.ozyandmillie.org/1998/om19980730.html 12:19:57 yeah 12:21:45 Hah 13:24:11 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 13:25:15 --- join: pengy (~pengy1@81.6.194.197) joined #forth 13:25:46 Hi 13:25:49 * pengy prods I4404__ 13:28:06 * pengy taunts I4404__ with a bottle of JD ;) 13:28:41 i4004 13:29:21 I dont think he's here lol he's not been on ICQ in forever 13:29:37 I needed to talk to him 13:29:46 I am an old friend of his ;) 13:30:11 Ah, I see. 13:30:31 Well... say something controversial (in his mind), and he usually wakes up 13:30:44 GUN NUTS OUGHT TO BE DEPORTED TO NORTH KOREA 13:30:49 Or... 13:30:55 I LOVE ANS FORTH 13:31:01 lol ;) 13:35:12 come on long-distant-cousin, speak to me ;) 13:35:23 he's no relation really lol... we just pretend he is 13:35:37 he shares the same surname as my fiance ;) 13:36:55 Hehe 13:43:20 maps.google.com is amazing 13:43:31 http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.322281,-72.636655&spn=0.012985,0.019656&saddr=19+western+ave,northampton,+ma&daddr=23+Center+St,Northampton,+MA+01060&hl=en 13:43:33 For you americans, maybe. 13:44:01 you can get a little satalite image of my house by clicking the end marker 13:44:10 I was playing with that before 13:44:18 and getting annoyed because I'm in the UK 13:44:24 (not that the satalite bit is useful...) 13:44:38 I found a friend's street, but I wasnt sure which was her house 13:45:04 I spent a lot of a weekend trying to get some decent map software for linux 13:45:31 because I got sick of looking at the world through that tiny box you always get in web based maps. and waiting so long for simple panning 13:52:06 maps.google.com I get a map almost 900x900 13:52:24 and I can drag around to pan the map 14:16:13 --- join: I440r (~mark4@rrcs-24-242-160-169.sw.biz.rr.com) joined #forth 14:23:49 --- quit: I440r ("Leaving") 14:29:43 --- nick: robert -> Robert 14:41:10 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ts001d0564.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) joined #forth 14:41:29 --- quit: swalters (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:41:30 Hi, TheBlueWizard. 14:45:17 hiya Robert 15:02:01 me short on patience 15:02:07 just put an ice cube in my soup 15:02:31 Heh. 15:28:29 Robert 15:28:31 ! 15:28:46 a while back you told me that go would be a game with too much possibility 15:29:34 i read yesterday that there's one rule that completely shatters that... a board of go may never be in the same condition twice in one game! 15:29:56 i'm almost ready to say that this little thing would limit the poss. to sub chess poss. 15:30:17 when you limit repeating in chess to like, three or something. 15:31:31 what was the size of go again? 20 square? 15:32:21 Hi 15:33:08 I don't play go. 15:33:08 the problem in chess, and even in checkers, is that there is no such rule. you may do one move twice. so when computing you'd have to put in a rule, where one could argue that you are incomplete. but in go, the number is fixed by that rule alone! 15:33:18 but... hm what game were you talking about then? 15:33:23 thought it was go 15:33:23 gomoku. 15:33:25 ow 15:33:29 okay nevermind then :) 15:33:38 :D 15:33:51 i'm halfway creating "citadel" in java ;) 15:34:11 server side netwerk stuff just finished 15:34:43 (also known as michiavelli) 15:35:09 gonna get the real game tomorrow, need to take a look at the cards cos i dont know what special buildings and rules they have printed 15:36:42 Hehe, OK 15:36:53 * Robert is working at a circuit simulator. 15:37:30 :) 15:39:16 Guess what I found in a box? 15:39:43 Tons of 74, 74S and 74LS chips from the 70s. 15:41:48 omg! 15:41:49 :p 15:42:08 with any luck, you wont have to pay the garbagetruck to take them away! 15:42:09 :p 15:42:11 ooh! ancient stuff! :-D 15:42:13 (i know ;) 15:42:21 Some of them are from 1974. 15:42:29 With YYWW date codes. 15:42:37 hehe 15:42:41 Like 7408. That is so SMART. 15:42:55 Oldest ones are from 7102 :) 15:45:40 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 15:58:04 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 16:04:40 in some ways toilets are a step backwards 16:05:03 out houses never splash you with nasty water 16:06:36 * Herkamire sighs 16:07:54 * Herkamire put's clothes on 16:08:19 daddy taxi, sign is off. 16:08:31 yard is mowed 16:08:40 what to do next 16:08:49 Myst 4 :) 16:10:12 I love my linux tshirt 16:10:22 to geeks it says I'm into linux 16:10:27 is that wha it says on it 16:10:49 to girls I've got a cute penguin shirt on 16:10:57 Hah. 16:11:02 no words, just a big black and white Tux 16:11:27 oh nice :) 16:12:13 st00pid lilo 16:12:28 --- quit: qFox (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:28 --- quit: Raystm2 (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:28 --- quit: Quartus (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:29 --- quit: ianp (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:29 --- quit: swalters (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:29 --- quit: Herkamire (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:29 --- quit: skylan (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:30 --- quit: warpzero (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:30 --- quit: arke (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:30 --- quit: saon (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:30 --- quit: Fractal (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:30 --- quit: Robert (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:30 --- quit: ccfg (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:31 --- quit: pengy (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:31 --- quit: danniken (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:31 --- quit: I4404__ (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:31 --- quit: Frek (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:31 --- quit: crc (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:31 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:31 --- quit: sk1p (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:12:31 --- quit: cmeme (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16:13:26 --- join: crc (crc@pool-70-110-208-73.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ts001d0564.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: pengy (~pengy1@81.6.194.197) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: danniken (CapStone@ppp-70-245-12-206.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: Raystm2 (~vircuser@adsl-69-149-62-183.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: sk1p (alex@pD958C9AE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: I4404__ (~mark4@216-110-82-203.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: Frek (478-ident-@h89n2fls31o815.telia.com) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: Quartus (~trailer@ansuz.pair.com) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.2) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- join: ianp (~ian@inpuj.com) joined #forth 16:13:26 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o crc 16:13:34 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@c-24-218-95-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:13:34 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 16:13:34 --- join: Robert (~purple@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 16:13:34 --- join: saon (1000@c-66-177-224-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:13:34 --- join: Fractal (jah@selling.kernels.to.linus.torvalds.at.hcsw.org) joined #forth 16:13:34 --- join: skylan (~sjh@dialup-216-211-5-113.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 16:13:34 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 16:13:34 --- join: arke (f2@bespin.org) joined #forth 16:13:34 --- join: ccfg (ccfg@dsl-roigw3de0.dial.inet.fi) joined #forth 16:13:34 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o Herkamire 16:31:25 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 16:41:02 --- quit: Al2O3 (Remote closed the connection) 16:53:34 --- join: Al2O3 (~Al2O3@c-24-1-126-202.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:55:30 --- quit: aum () 17:01:03 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 17:04:14 other than cleanups and merging into retrospect, the disassembler is complete :) 17:04:28 Hooray! 17:05:03 it'll disassemble anything compiled from the colon compiler 17:08:31 A whole 60 lines of code at this point (some lines have more than one word per line0 17:10:34 2,726 bytes of ram used for it 17:17:01 Bloatware. 17:17:50 heh 17:18:54 heheh 17:20:23 congrats crc!! well done. 17:29:45 nice work crc 17:29:58 thanks :) 17:30:45 I just added it to retrospect; a whopping 10 blocks of code (512 bytes/block) 17:31:27 like i've been saying , the 'inspect'or will be of great use to my understanding of your great environment. 17:31:48 crc: What's retrospect? 17:31:57 The debugger environment for RetroForth 17:32:05 Ah 17:32:17 Someone ought to part retro to the smallest computer that can host it. 17:32:38 casio watch :) 17:32:42 hmm 17:32:45 Hehe, something like that. 17:33:03 I did a 16-bit port that ran on an original IBM PC with a whopping 64k of ram once... 17:33:04 whole line of retro-swatches 17:33:12 hehe 17:33:24 crc: I was thinking a lot less. :) 17:33:28 heh 17:33:38 wait a few years and swatch-watches will be retro too. 17:33:45 I plan to do versions for embedded systems at some point 17:33:54 * Robert thinks about sleeping tonight. Maybe not a good idea. 17:33:59 yess. robot wars :) 17:34:15 Will get 3.5 hours if I go to sleep right now... 17:34:23 hehe Robert poor guy, that's what you get for being popular around the world :) 17:34:34 ? 17:34:49 your a popular guy, we use up all your uptime :) 17:34:50 Oh, you mean IRC is keeping me up? 17:35:05 Actually, tonight it has been coding. 17:35:08 ut oh --- honey do, yikes 17:35:13 :) 17:35:15 I think the parser works now :) 17:35:18 brb 17:35:21 cool 17:35:23 Byebye. 17:35:43 Raystm2: whatcha coding? 17:35:56 Hmm... eihter I'll be a zombie or a superzombie. 17:36:03 * Robert chooses ordinary zombie. 17:36:18 arke: Robert, not Raystm2. 17:36:24 err yeah 17:36:27 Robert: whatcha coding? 17:36:48 A digital circuit simulator. 17:36:59 To get the timings right in my computer.= 17:37:35 cool 17:37:37 :)# 17:37:58 * Raystm2 Qwife"honey, move the tv UP here" 17:38:21 that's what i'm coding 17:38:37 medical billing, that's what i'm coding 17:39:21 only the popular people code, crc, robert, arke, kc5tja, the rest of us read :) 17:40:18 the disassembler code is still kind of messy, but it works very well for a quick weekend hack 17:40:31 * Robert is reading as well.. but funnier things than bills - wikipedia! 17:40:35 I put maybe 5 hours into it total 17:40:55 retroforth, your quick weekend hack that could save you time, money, and heartache. 17:42:04 get it while it's still free, and you can still talk directly to the chief arctitech. 17:42:30 retroforth will always be free... 17:42:44 watch, as he changes the entire environment to suit your level of understanding of computing. 17:42:59 in under 19 minutes 17:44:01 * Raystm2 reminds crc that the fact that it will always be free is not as motivating as the potential that someday ( tho that day never come) it just might be to valuable to be free. 17:44:25 Raystm2: I do customized versions for profit :) 17:44:33 i'm sure you do :) 17:44:39 RetroForth itself will always be free though :) 17:44:50 who could blame you, your the goto guy, a smart purchase. 17:46:51 frankly, i've always had it in the back of my mind, to write some stories about the people doing this kind of work, and profit from knowing you, and donate to your causes. 17:47:34 * crc has no problems with that 17:47:59 I'd be proud of the fact that i help some programmers do the real work, with out having to worry about where to live or what to eat or medical and the like. 17:48:09 * Raystm2 would like to be a code patron someday 17:48:37 * Raystm2 and a music patron 17:49:33 i'd like a professional studio and rooms for my jam buddies to stay when they're in town. prob'ly a converted warehouse in dt ftworth. 18:01:29 Raystm2: :) 18:03:52 --- quit: Al2O3 (Remote closed the connection) 18:10:43 goodnight 18:13:47 --- join: Al2O3 (~Al2O3@c-24-1-126-202.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:14:05 Bleh, I give up 18:14:39 good night crc, and Robert, take a nap :) 18:14:53 Hehe 18:15:00 I'll take a few in school 18:15:01 you'll feel like shit, but you'll hate me for it :) 18:15:05 hahahaha 18:15:05 And on my way home. 18:15:10 right :) 18:29:43 --- quit: ccfg (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:29:43 --- quit: Fractal (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:29:43 --- quit: saon (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:29:43 --- quit: Robert (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:29:49 --- quit: arke (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:29:49 --- quit: warpzero (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:29:56 --- quit: Herkamire (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:29:56 --- quit: skylan (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:29:56 --- quit: swalters (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:30:16 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@c-24-218-95-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:30:16 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 18:30:16 --- join: skylan (~sjh@dialup-216-211-5-113.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 18:30:16 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o Herkamire 18:30:23 --- quit: skylan (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:30:23 --- quit: Herkamire (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:30:23 --- quit: swalters (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 18:32:20 --- join: warpzero (~warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 18:32:20 --- join: arke (f2@bespin.org) joined #forth 18:32:48 --- join: Robert (~purple@c-f778e055.17-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined #forth 18:32:48 --- join: saon (1000@c-66-177-224-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:32:48 --- join: Fractal (jah@selling.kernels.to.linus.torvalds.at.hcsw.org) joined #forth 18:32:48 --- join: ccfg (ccfg@dsl-roigw3de0.dial.inet.fi) joined #forth 18:32:51 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@c-24-218-95-147.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:32:51 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 18:32:51 --- join: skylan (~sjh@dialup-216-211-5-113.tbaytel.net) joined #forth 18:32:51 --- mode: irc.freenode.net set +o Herkamire 18:41:29 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 18:41:56 --- part: aum left #forth 19:34:42 --- join: sk1p_ (alex@pD9E3D605.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 19:45:13 --- quit: sk1p (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:04:38 --- quit: swalters (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:29:59 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 23:35:47 --- quit: Herkamire ("off to bed") 23:45:00 --- quit: cmeme (Remote closed the connection) 23:48:39 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.2) joined #forth 23:48:58 --- quit: cmeme (Remote closed the connection) 23:49:45 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.2) joined #forth 23:56:03 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 23:56:27 --- part: aum left #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.04.17