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15:58:57 <robert> Hi Ray
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16:07:48 <robert> Got a job now?
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16:13:29 <robert> Heh.
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16:14:22 <Raystm2> Hi robert ;) ya
16:14:31 <robert> Doing what?
16:14:34 <Raystm2> got my old job back from 5 years ago
16:14:45 <Raystm2> I'm a salesman for want of a better word
16:15:02 <Raystm2> more like a product designer to industry and the military.
16:15:09 <robert> Aha
16:15:30 <robert> The guy who paints "made in the USA" on bombs? :)
16:15:59 <Raystm2> I work for a company called CASTERS of Fort Worth, we make things on wheels like the carts to move those bombs to the painter
16:16:22 <Raystm2> or the wings on the v22 osprey cart
16:16:59 <Raystm2> two weeks ago UPS asked me to invent a MALL TRAIN so that one driver can deliver an entire mall with his handtruck.
16:17:56 <Raystm2> My industry is called 'materials handling"
16:18:50 <Raystm2> if it needs to me moved or stored, I gotcha covered.
16:19:05 <robert> Ah, OK
16:20:03 <Raystm2> my company taught the orient how to kick our asses with our own product. :)
16:20:23 <Raystm2> so I left the industry for a few years.
16:20:39 <Raystm2> but they really needed me back so i came out of quasi-retirement.
16:20:47 <Raystm2> money was right :)
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17:16:41 <robert> I.... see.
17:17:03 <crc> uber_sexy_deth_c is Ray's daughter I think...
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17:18:34 <robert> Aha, a sexy death cow who does Forth.
17:18:48 <robert> Ray sure knows how to raise a kid!
17:20:44 <ubersexydeathcow> oh yeah!!!
17:20:49 <robert> http://www.engrish.com/image/engrish/books-tachibana.jpg <--- or as a japanese would express it.
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17:21:51 <robert> ubersexydeathcow: So, are you into colored Forth, the ANS business, or maybe your own implementation?
17:22:21 <robert> Aww. You take over the forth propaganda from there, Ray ;)
17:24:13 <robert> I stumbled upon the x25 vaporchip today, and began thinking about the possibility to make parallel computers that are affordable to hobbyists.
17:25:25 <robert> If anyone has any recommendations about chips that could be used for that, and exist, I'd appreciate some further reading :)
17:25:45 <robert> Thinking about >100 cores, possibly much more.
17:28:18 <crc> hmm a 1,000 x 1,000 array of cores would be nice....
17:28:30 <robert> :D
17:28:57 <crc> or a 3 dimimsional array of 1000x1000x1000
17:28:59 <crc> :)
17:29:16 <robert> But then there's this 'reality' which seems to hit me every time I quit IRC.
17:29:26 <robert> Which is about once a year.
17:30:08 <robert> I guess the affordable transistor count would be in the G region today, right?
17:30:20 <crc> yeah
17:31:04 <robert> And with a reasonably sized core + memory... that limits us to a few tens or hundreds of k cores.
17:31:22 <robert> Still not bad.
17:31:46 <robert> Multiply with 1000 MIPS and you have quite a machine.
17:34:50 <crc> a lot of simple processors working together...
17:34:56 * crc likes the idea of that
17:35:17 <crc> it'd be like a modern version of the old bitsplice processors
17:35:47 <robert> The old what?
17:36:33 <crc> err, bit-slice processors
17:36:44 <crc> Like the AMD 2901 series
17:37:18 <crc> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/2901/AMD-AM2901DC.html
17:37:28 <robert> Anyway, I realize it's not going to be good for everything, but for parallelizable number-crunching applications our "single"-tasking pentiums and the like are just not very good :/
17:37:43 * robert checks
17:37:55 <crc> nice simple 4-bit ALU's, but you could "splice" them together to handle much bigger numbers
17:38:13 <crc> just keep adding ALU's to get any number of bits you want basically :)
17:38:40 <robert> Do they have any control logic, or are they just ALUs?
17:39:07 <robert> And.. ceramic DIPs.. :)
17:39:20 <crc> ALU's
17:39:25 * robert has some pretty old chips he got from his school
17:39:39 <crc> There was another chip for control logic, but I don't recall the number
17:39:39 <robert> Mid 70s
17:40:00 <crc> The 2901 was from '75
17:40:00 <robert> Then a bunch of 50s diodes... and even older tubes.
17:41:24 <robert> If you got one of those 64k core clusters, what kind of apprlications would you use it for?
17:42:32 <crc> no idea 
17:42:45 <crc> It's been several years since I did anything serious with electronics
17:43:14 <robert> I mean, as a coder.
17:43:47 <crc> heh
17:43:47 <robert> And for the record, if anything looks serious I run.
17:44:07 <robert> Coder/mathematician or whatever. End user.
17:44:18 <crc> The first thing I'd do is port rf to it
17:44:24 <robert> :D
17:44:56 <crc> Then explore parallel programming
17:44:58 <robert> OK, 2^16-1 computers left ;)
17:45:25 <crc> I'd have several cores dedicated to I/O
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17:45:41 <robert> Hm, yes.. but do you have any kinds of problem in particular you'd like to work on?
17:45:44 <robert> Hi aum 
17:46:00 <aum> yo
17:46:04 <crc> robert: realtime data analysis
17:46:29 <crc> taking input from thousands of sources and searching for patterns and such in the data
17:50:45 <robert> Yeah...
17:50:57 <robert> That would be nice to play with.
17:51:08 <crc> that's something I could make money with :)
17:51:16 <robert> Oh, how?
17:51:18 <crc> The 2930 was the control chip
17:51:52 <crc> Customize the app to meet business needs
17:52:16 <crc> A lot of companies could benefit from being able to spot patterns in sales, stock levels, etc
17:55:48 * robert thinks about the realtime graphics that would be possible :)
17:58:27 <crc> yeah
18:03:22 <crc> goodnight (early day @ work tomorrow)
18:04:53 <robert> Night
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18:07:17 <robert> Hi
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18:09:50 <robert> Hi
18:10:28 <Sonarman> ahem
18:10:30 <Sonarman> your absence is noted
18:11:48 <robert> But I'm here, I swear!
18:12:17 <Sonarman> where?
18:12:40 <Sonarman> we miss you
18:12:44 <robert> The Wired!
18:12:47 <Sonarman> YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOOT
18:12:52 <robert> Uhm.
18:13:00 <Sonarman> lain?
18:13:02 <robert> Is the lamer still there?
18:13:16 <robert> Well, I finished her off
18:13:17 <Sonarman> the unknown one?
18:13:20 <Sonarman> ah
18:13:21 <robert> Right.
18:13:38 <Sonarman> had a disagreement with him?
18:13:55 <robert> Something like that
18:14:06 <Sonarman> ooooh.... tell me more!
18:14:09 <Sonarman> but not in here
18:14:21 <Sonarman> because no one else in here gives a shit
18:15:30 <robert> Just got very tired of him, and people seem to mind when I ban others...
18:17:37 <Sonarman> what specific aspect of his did you find especially tiring?
18:18:43 <robert> The endless stream of highly uncatholic obscenities. They killed the pope.
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18:29:51 <robert__> Hrm.
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20:26:00 <Frek> any of you know how to switch to pmode on a x86 ?
20:27:06 <Raystm2> ya jump
20:31:54 <arke> Frek: yeah
20:32:03 <arke> Frek: its easy if its just simple flat
20:32:14 <Frek> alright thanks
20:32:25 <Frek> speaking of which anyone know where the x86 ring system is very well documented ?
20:32:40 <arke> Frek: intel docs? :)
20:33:03 <Frek> well I'm trying to convince a guy who claims the ring system is just a "windows thing"
20:33:13 <Frek> and he claims he already read the intel docs :P
20:33:26 <Frek> but I guess if the tech docs don't help; nothing is 
20:33:28 <Frek> err
20:33:30 <Frek> nothing will
20:33:43 <arke> ring != windows
20:33:47 <arke> the guy is full of shit
20:33:52 <Frek> arke: yea I know that 
20:34:10 <Frek> I just can't find any convincing "proofs" though :)
20:34:22 <Raystm2> I was full of shit then i flushed.
20:34:40 <Frek> anyway I'm ignoring him from now on. it's not worth spending time on.
20:35:03 <Raystm2> arke did you send the "note"?
20:36:44 <arke> Raystm2: will soon
20:37:01 <arke> Raystm2: once the wiki thing shapes up, I will be writing lots later
20:37:08 <Raystm2> good, seems like he's ok to accept ( pardon the pun)
20:37:23 <Raystm2> ok
20:38:22 <Raystm2> did Tiffany come on earlier as "superSexyDeathCow"?
20:38:54 <Raystm2> i think thats what she said the guys at school are calling her now.
20:39:38 <Raystm2> oh it's "ubersexydeathcow"
20:39:45 <Raystm2> of course
20:40:27 <arke> ...
20:40:31 <arke> ubersexydeathcow
20:40:31 <arke> lol
20:41:11 <Raystm2> we went to the "Main Street Arts Festival" tonight -- just got back.
20:46:35 <Raystm2> color me tired
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