00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.04.01 01:42:41 --- part: yumehito left #forth 02:18:40 --- join: bbls (~bbls@80.97.121.133) joined #forth 02:18:43 hello 03:50:09 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 03:53:46 --- quit: bbls (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:55:55 --- join: bbls (~bbls@80.97.121.133) joined #forth 04:25:16 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 05:09:45 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ts001d0819.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) joined #forth 05:23:42 --- quit: saon (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 05:28:00 --- join: saon (1000@c-66-177-224-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 05:43:24 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 06:07:17 --- quit: aum () 07:29:12 --- quit: saon ("Lost terminal") 07:33:22 --- join: saon (1000@c-66-177-224-130.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:55:26 --- quit: bbls () 08:35:01 --- quit: fridge ("smile if you had a naughty this morning!") 10:54:08 --- join: hrmpf (~obi@gw.mastmoen.no) joined #forth 11:01:07 --- quit: SeaForth (Remote closed the connection) 11:13:01 --- join: SeaForth (~SeaForth@c-24-1-126-202.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:17:22 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@HSE-Toronto-ppp167019.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 11:25:46 --- quit: SeaForth (Remote closed the connection) 11:31:20 --- join: Al2O3 (~Al2O3@c-24-1-126-202.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:44:00 --- quit: solar_angel ("Drat, I knew I should have cut the BLUE wire.") 13:07:41 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 13:16:03 --- quit: YoyoFreeBSD (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 14:16:34 --- quit: I440r_ ("Leaving") 14:27:24 hi all 14:27:52 hi 15:07:20 --- join: PCGenie (~knoppix@adsl-63-203-232-137.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 15:08:04 hey does anyone know if Al Mitchel has released his ether gadget? 15:35:57 --- quit: swalters (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:10:57 --- join: Hyrax (~das@adsl-64-219-100-33.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 16:11:13 Hey I440r , are you around? 16:11:48 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 16:15:27 I guess everyone is on top secret missions 16:16:01 * crc is here... 16:16:29 * Hyrax was in Forth training all week with Elizabeth Rather as the teacher. 16:17:35 Well, I hope it was good 4th you 16:18:59 I didn't get as much out the of class as the others did, as I already knew just about everything she was teaching. It was still enjoyable though. 16:19:46 Our company paid for her to come to our location and give us onsite training. 16:20:36 PCGenie, well, I do not know windows gui as I used to hate windows, but I do have Swiftorth; well, that is lucky for you. I have to pay for all my own training... but then again, I do not work for a company 16:24:12 It's always fun to be around someone who worked with Chuck in the past for as long as she did. And she herself is pretty impressive. She has worked with Forth longer than anybody probably, except for Chuck himself. 16:27:59 Hyrax, for the last few years, I wanted to go, but I do not like traveling, especially to la 16:29:16 How far are you from east texas? 16:29:40 The alter-ego of TX: CA 16:30:23 We might be having here back out in a year, which is why I asked. 16:33:28 Hyrax, ok, gotit, well, is that some traveling forth trainings? 16:35:01 She gave a regular forth training week, just like the ones she give's in California. We did'nt ask for her specifically, but she was the one who came, which was nice. 16:36:08 It is cheaper to have training on site, then to send several to LA. 16:39:38 Hyrax, in my case I am the only one I can convince to learn it. I have dragged people to the meetings in the Silicon Valley, Their eyes get glazed by the end of the day 16:40:34 Well, the others in the class were eager for training, so they did not get bored. 16:43:25 Hyrax, well, yeah, regular programmers, but my people are web programmers and I wanted them to learn 16:48:57 PCGenie, web programmers, hmm.... While Forth would be nice for and embedded applets in web browsers, I don't see the typical web programmer jumping at the opportunity to learn Forth. But I guess in your case it was not Forth, but some technology they would be likely to use. Yeah, I see what you mean. 16:52:05 Hyrax, I wanted them to start working toward embedded browsers 16:52:55 Hyrax, really, I was only counting on embedded browsers that are on live-cds that boot, for training materials and such 16:53:55 I wonder if some bootable linux CD would be suited for something like that, something based on Knoppix or something similar. 16:57:46 Hyrax, I am looking at Knoppix and DSL. I have a forth license for Marcel Hendrix and an aggreement that I can embed his iforth http://home.iae.nl/users/mhx/index.html 16:59:27 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@HSE-Toronto-ppp167019.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 16:59:48 solar_angel, hello 17:00:11 hello :) 17:02:22 --- quit: Rockford (Remote closed the connection) 17:05:39 Hyrax, so what kind of forthing around do you do? 17:17:23 PCGenie: I use it primarily at work on embedded systems. At home I use it of and for some hobby stuff. I ported SwiftX to the TMS320C28x end of last summer for the DSP stuff I was playing around with at home. 17:25:48 Hyrax, is there a forth interest group in your area too? 17:27:47 Hmm... not that I am aware of. There are several Forth programmers where I work, and a company across town has some applications that someone developed for them in Forth. 17:32:28 Hyrax, that is good to know, it often seems like forth is still a top secret compiler since so many programmers do not know or do want to know about it 17:34:02 i like forth 17:34:05 i've written a few. 17:34:10 from scratch, heavily dialected 17:34:26 i love postscript too... it is to forth what php is to c. 17:34:38 Especially for small and medium sized embedded systems, Forth is definately the way to go. Most of my experience is with cross compilers though, I've not worked much with resident interpreters on embedded devices. (some, but not much) 17:34:48 * Hyrax has written a few Forths as well. 17:35:32 i wrote a full protected-mode 32-bit x86 forth 17:35:39 both DTC and STC 17:35:52 (rewrote it from scratch a couple times) 17:35:57 self-booting :P 17:36:37 solar_angel, ok, so is that for projects within a product? 17:36:40 * Hyrax 's forths were not that low level. Mostly just for learning Forth. 17:36:55 PCGenie - eh? 17:37:28 solar_angel, did you program that for an embeded chip or disk or something that runs somewhere regularly? 17:37:46 it boots on a standard pc. 17:38:04 forth is probably the easiest language to port to a new platform, it's also the easiest first OS to write. 17:39:22 * crc has written a couple of forths, a very easy thing to do 17:39:37 yes, it can be. 17:39:48 My port of SwiftX I had to write alot from scratch (the assembler, dissassembler, cross compiler supprort words, and the whole target kernel amd drivers). But I was able to rely on much of the SwiftX platform. 17:40:03 s/amd/and 17:40:06 not amd 17:40:12 ah. 17:40:31 Hyrax, I did not know it came with the source or maythe there is another version like Swiftforth has an upgrade with sources 17:40:57 I've never used SwitftX 17:41:33 SwiftX professional comes with all the source. 17:43:12 Hyrax, I have only been playing with Al Mitchel's gadget chip, that is as embedded as I have gotten in that realm 17:44:28 DSPs are fun an very challenging. They can be a PITA to program for though. But they are fun. 17:45:13 heh 17:45:23 i've been doing a lot of SIMD coding lately. 17:45:26 MMX and iSSE 17:45:38 high-end graphics transforms. 17:45:53 --- join: Overloc (~chatzilla@pcp09701998pcs.limstn01.de.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:48:13 --- quit: Overloc ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.2/20050317]") 17:51:28 --- quit: crc (Excess Flood) 17:51:53 --- join: crc (crc@pool-151-197-233-174.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 17:58:44 --- quit: solar_angel ("later.") 18:00:21 crc are you solar_angel ttoo? 18:01:54 no 18:02:38 * crc is author/developer of RetroForth 18:34:26 --- join: sk1p (alex@pD9E3DB38.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #forth 18:47:29 --- quit: sk1p_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:58:07 --- quit: cmeme (Remote closed the connection) 19:59:43 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.2) joined #forth 20:00:01 --- quit: cmeme (Remote closed the connection) 20:00:45 --- join: cmeme (~cmeme@216.184.11.2) joined #forth 21:22:50 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 22:39:32 --- quit: swalters (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 22:42:27 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 23:41:25 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 23:49:04 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@HSE-Toronto-ppp167019.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.04.01