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general forth discussion. #c4th - ColorForth. #retro - RetroForth. #c4th-ot - social channel. #1xforth - a secret channel for 1x forthers. #concatenative - the category of language that forth belongs to (sorta).' 05:17:14 --- topic: set by thinfu on [Sun Feb 13 21:19:07 2005] 05:17:14 --- names: list (clog yumehito djo skylan warpzero I440r_ Frek aum EldonArlo hyrax|work ASau KptnKrill @crc arke onetom SeaForth saon cmeme ianp ccfg Fractal I440r) 05:19:31 --- join: ooo (~o@dsl-olugw3p33.dial.inet.fi) joined #forth 05:21:06 --- join: Rockford (~trailer@ansuz.pair.com) joined #forth 05:59:40 --- quit: aum () 06:32:37 --- join: KptnKril1 (~KptnKrill@pool-70-22-173-46.bos.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 06:36:54 hehe thanx lol 06:37:03 --- nick: I440r_ -> I4_work 06:37:07 shud really do that :/ 06:43:13 :D 06:49:13 --- quit: KptnKrill (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06:49:44 --- quit: EldonArlo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:29:16 --- join: ASau` (~user@83.102.133.66) joined #forth 08:29:16 --- quit: ASau (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:29:38 --- nick: ASau` -> ASau 08:30:16 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:30:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 09:54:09 --- quit: I4_work (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:55:54 --- join: zoly (~l@ppp-82-135-2-48.mnet-online.de) joined #forth 10:56:03 g'day 11:21:14 --- part: zoly left #forth 11:41:29 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp01375108pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:13:45 --- join: Freejack (~nicad@c-24-11-30-248.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:15:07 I got a question. I'm a little fuzzy on the difference between a word and a macro in Forth. I understand the difference as it relates to assembler. Is it the same? 12:41:35 Freejack: they are both words. 12:41:46 only difference is that macros are executed (not compiled) even when the forth is in compile mode 12:42:37 words like IF and THEN 12:42:49 usually called "immediates" 12:43:00 but macro will do 12:43:19 Gotcha. Really just a semantics difference. 12:44:19 So, all immediates execute regardless the mode. 12:44:40 right 12:45:06 there's an immediate or two that you can use to compile a call to a macro for those rare times when you need to 12:45:12 Immediates have an xt right? 12:45:27 yes, all words do. 12:45:44 xt means Execution Token 12:45:48 So, I could compile in it's execution token, yes? 12:45:50 it's just a reference to the word 12:45:58 you can get one by doing ' ANY_WORD_HERE 12:46:09 yes 12:46:12 Yeah. I know what an xt is. 12:46:26 Gotcha. 12:47:12 Playing with "self-organizing" data. 12:47:29 Or "self-aware" data. 12:48:47 I figure by linking a piece of a data with a particular word, the data can respond to a query, rather than having to query every item in a search. 12:49:15 sorta like objects. a collection of data and procedures? 12:49:35 Much more fine grained...and lightweight. 12:50:29 The data can link itself to other data depending on it's relational characteristics. 12:50:50 Independently of user intervention. 12:51:26 The data can ask itself "Do I belong here or there?" 12:52:24 And if neither is true, the data can feel angst. 12:52:40 --- nick: Rockford -> Quartus 12:53:17 Actually, I'm working on that problem. The data could ask directions. 12:54:20 But unlike a full object system, The data shouldn't require more than one or two words to be linked to it. 12:56:29 Make sense? 12:56:58 yeah, sorta 12:57:01 what sort of data? 12:58:42 Could be a list of names that fall into several catagories. 12:59:36 Could have the query agent make a "row call" and wait for the data to respond. 12:59:55 This relational algebra is kicking my nuts though. 13:00:14 Got a lot of reading to do. 13:00:58 i.e. Row call like what they do in the military. You know "Sound off". 13:04:17 With a little extra work, the data itself could protect itself from viruses, system failures, etc... But that's gonna take a lot more research. 13:06:00 The general idea is to create a "database" that doesn't depend on a larger DBS to maintain it's integrity. 13:07:13 If the main DBS takes a shit, the database can retain itself until the system operator can fix the problem. 13:07:51 See where I'm going? 13:09:25 Damn. This is almost friggin graduate level research. 13:09:39 Gonna be at this for a long ass time. 13:11:06 Anyways, I'm using military analogies for the concept. Helps me conceptualize the idea of self-reliant data in a potentially hostile system. 13:11:40 sounds slow to me 13:12:06 oh. nevermind. you're going for reliability. 13:12:21 tathi: Yeah. Ass slow, right now. But it will get faster. Heh. 13:29:51 bbl 13:29:53 --- quit: Freejack ("Leaving") 13:45:19 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@216-110-82-203.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 13:53:43 hiya 13:53:57 I440r_: bad rodriguez wrote a nice article about forth assemblers 13:54:13 what url ? 13:54:20 and im sure you meant brad :) 13:54:26 I440r_: which would apply to you as wellbecause defer> does all the dirty work :) 13:54:31 err, yeah## 13:54:34 but now that name is probably gona stick :) 13:54:47 this is y new laptop with german keyboard so im still getting used to it 13:54:53 hehehe :) 13:54:55 he is using the word in invented ? 13:54:57 what url ? 13:55:55 http://www.zetetics.com/bj/papers/tcjassem.txt 13:56:30 n, i meant all you have to do is add DEFER> and it'll work the way you want it to 13:56:40 oh :) 14:06:46 this isnt for x86 :/ 14:08:02 so? 14:08:08 it applies for any cpu 14:08:33 i already wrote one assembler - x86 is different, its a b1tch! 14:09:06 aah 14:09:13 well i have another article for you 14:09:32 i have the bookmark at home but it basically describes the x86 much simpler by using octals 14:09:49 ive got that too. its STILL a bitch hehe 14:10:02 hehe 14:17:30 --- join: EldonArlo (~chatzilla@adsl-63-197-120-243.dsl.sktn01.pacbell.net) joined #forth 14:29:52 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 16:11:15 --- nick: hyrax|work -> hyrax 16:28:29 --- quit: EldonArlo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:40:37 hi all 16:55:50 --- join: Sonarman (~snofs@adsl-64-160-166-255.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 17:00:41 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@ts001d0628.wdc-dc.xod.concentric.net) joined #forth 17:12:51 --- quit: aum () 17:17:59 --- quit: Quartus (Remote closed the connection) 17:55:24 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 18:43:26 --- join: Quartus (~trailer@ansuz.pair.com) joined #forth 19:02:48 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 19:12:04 --- quit: Sonarman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:23:56 --- join: _crc (~crc@pool-70-110-183-105.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 19:24:46 --- quit: crc (Nick collision from services.) 19:24:50 --- nick: _crc -> crc 19:24:54 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 19:25:16 goodnight 19:32:38 hello 19:32:50 maybe some forther's would like to enter this and win. 19:32:51 [ANN] More prizes, official rule changes, 2005 IORCC http://iorcc.dynds.org 19:41:11 --- join: Murrlin (murr@dsl093-026-225.hou1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined #forth 20:13:39 --- quit: Murrlin ("I'm not really a tummyrub bimbo, .. well actually I am. =>") 20:29:27 typo in your domain name there SeaForth 20:46:56 --- join: Sonarman (~snofs@adsl-64-171-254-144.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 20:55:03 Herkamire, ya... :) http://iorcc.dyndns.org 20:55:15 Thank you for catching that, spamming is a bitch :) 21:09:58 --- join: asymptote (~dmesg@68.48.8.92) joined #forth 21:15:55 --- quit: asymptote ("Free the mallocs!") 21:38:01 --- join: solar_angel (~jenni@HSE-Toronto-ppp167019.sympatico.ca) joined #forth 22:19:20 --- quit: Sonarman ("leaving") 23:25:53 --- quit: solar_angel ("whoops, gone!") 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.03.22