00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.03.08 00:06:18 --- quit: I440r (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00:35:03 --- join: pcgenie (~dynebolic@adsl-63-203-232-137.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 00:37:27 did anyone here attend the SVFIG at the Computer Museum in Feb? 01:10:41 --- join: Topaz (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 01:24:45 are there any forthers online? 01:29:20 dunno if i count :D 01:33:53 topaz: I am not sure if you count either 01:44:58 well, there is another forth person in #concatenative 01:56:48 --- join: Serg[GPRS] (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 01:57:01 hi ! 01:57:09 spambots here ;(((( 01:57:52 after i gave my mail to someone here - a burst of 'nigger fraud' , viagra and fake diplomes ;((( 01:59:00 so be caref00l if u don't need anything of this ;(( 01:59:36 (i used to get 1-2 spam a week, now 3-5 a day) 02:00:26 well, thx, I get that no matter what, I was getting 50 plus a day with spam filters and everything 02:01:10 at work we got up to 1000 a day for advertised emails 02:02:46 but i try not to advertise mine, and use 'condoms' throw-away address, but due to wise avoidance of publishing the adress, i never had to throw one 02:02:57 yes, I did mean, email from work; I can create an alias which I do to sort email task issues, and I can create a brand new email address to test and send it to my own email address, and within minutes, I can get spammed with a test address 02:04:51 here rumors say what FSB (having legal intercept of all traffic) is selling addresses to spammers 02:06:53 say again 02:08:01 FSB = Federal SEcurity Bureau, former KGB 02:08:36 well, it is obvious that there are gatewars 02:08:38 (abbreviation sounds the same in RU, but for other words) 02:08:58 gatewars ? 02:09:28 that is why I stated that I can receive spam when I am testing an email address' how could it be that anyone found it when it was unpublished and sent to myself only? 02:10:01 gatway wars, where the routers or ip addresses are being snagged between nodes or what have you 02:10:03 by sniffer / loghog only 02:10:55 attack at legal routers to channelize the traffic thru illegal one for interception ? 02:11:48 yes, that is what I mean; I think there is a gateway war out there 02:13:43 hmm... is the problem of spam theoretically solvable ? can the spam-free protocol be designed ? 02:16:49 I have been doubting it this past three years 02:17:22 is the X400 an RFC ? 02:18:37 that is beyond me 02:24:24 interesting, waht do crypto geeks say on this 02:27:02 I am not sure, but it seems that at times I have heard that the encryption evolves with the decryption; then I read one professor quote online that two way email converations are gibberish since they are traveling via avarious nodes on the net 02:53:47 --- part: pcgenie left #forth 03:01:58 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 03:41:57 --- quit: Topaz (Remote closed the connection) 03:58:33 --- quit: saon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:06:11 --- quit: Serg[GPRS] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:42:12 --- join: Quartus (~trailer@ansuz.pair.com) joined #forth 05:54:58 --- quit: aum () 07:14:56 --- join: docl (~docl@dpcbw098171.direcpc.com) joined #forth 08:22:35 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 08:22:35 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 08:27:11 --- join: Topaz (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 08:48:50 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 08:53:24 --- quit: SeaForth ("Leaving") 09:23:30 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-156.nyc-tc03a.fcc.net) joined #forth 09:40:14 --- join: SeaForth (~SeaForth@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:45:22 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (Nick collision from services.) 09:45:41 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-145.nyc-tc03b.FCC.NET) joined #forth 10:09:34 --- quit: Topaz (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 10:10:16 --- join: Topaz (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 10:12:10 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 10:12:45 --- quit: docl ("Leaving") 10:30:26 --- join: hrmpf (~hrmpf@195.18.226.13) joined #forth 10:33:14 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-140.nyc-tc03b.fcc.net) joined #forth 11:06:22 --- quit: TheBlueWizard (Nick collision from services.) 11:06:46 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-156.nyc-tc04b.FCC.NET) joined #forth 11:15:00 --- quit: Topaz (No route to host) 12:54:58 --- quit: hrmpf (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:28:17 --- join: tathi (~josh@pcp01375108pcs.milfrd01.pa.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:43:59 --- join: hrmpf (~hrmpf@195.18.226.13) joined #forth 14:11:27 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 14:37:47 hi 14:38:19 hiya crc 15:24:03 --- quit: qFox ("this quit is sponsored by somebody!") 15:41:12 --- quit: hrmpf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:45:31 --- quit: tathi ("computers...bah!") 15:58:40 --- join: Azure_Ag (azure@h-66-167-211-15.sfldmidn.dynamic.covad.net) joined #forth 16:38:54 --- join: hrmpf (~hrmpf@195.18.226.13) joined #forth 16:39:07 --- join: docl (~luke@dpcbw098195.direcpc.com) joined #forth 16:55:59 --- join: zoly (~l@ppp-62-245-161-233.mnet-online.de) joined #forth 16:56:11 g'day 16:56:24 Hey. 16:56:38 hi Quartus. 16:56:49 something to do with quartus forth ? 16:57:04 That's me. 16:57:37 not seen you here before 16:57:45 I've only recently come across it. 16:57:51 ah right 16:58:26 Not Quartus, that I've been aware of since I created it. :) But the channel. 17:00:33 how has the demand forth quartus forth been developing in the last 1 or 2 years ? 17:00:57 for quartus forth .. 17:01:06 It's been steady. I have a new version in late beta that is generating increased interest. 17:01:19 nice 17:01:30 I'm excited about it. 17:01:55 Part of the challenge is teaching Forth to new users. 17:01:56 can you live from it ? 17:02:10 Depends on what you mean by 'live', but that's my goal. :) 17:02:52 to feed, and pay the rent, would be a good start 17:03:09 I agree. 17:05:15 i'm the bashforth and javascript forth guy 17:05:24 Neat. 17:05:43 came across those ? 17:05:50 The javascript one, yes. 17:06:22 forthfreak wiki ? 17:06:31 I've just been browsing it. 17:06:54 ntli.net ? 17:07:12 That one I don't know. 17:07:30 ah. thought that was you, was just looking at the access log 17:08:10 comcast, in that case 17:09:20 or stamford 17:09:24 Not me. 17:09:39 hmm 17:14:42 zoly: btw, did you code a forth in brainfuck ? 17:14:53 or did you start? 17:14:53 a started to do so 17:15:00 how many words did you get? 17:15:06 got to the point of defining the memory interface 17:15:11 hehe 17:15:15 need random access, after all 17:15:24 which bf doesn't supply 17:15:29 yeah 17:15:39 but surely 30,000 bytes is enough for a forth ;) 17:15:55 i'm afraid that won't do with bf 17:16:18 you can't call subroutines, after all 17:16:24 thus not much factoring out 17:16:55 would need to keep the bf core as small as possible, to implement all what is missing in high level 17:17:03 speed drag ... 17:17:11 heh 17:17:14 yeah it wouldn't be that usable 17:17:40 i did some optimizing bf compiler for that purpose 17:18:07 which would replace some bf instruction sequences against "non-standard" extension opcodes 17:18:32 such as [-] to clr 17:18:56 I think it needs to be done properly -- code bf in terms of a single-instruction-set computer, and then code Forth in terms of bf. :) 17:19:03 i.e. the runtime part supports more than the 6 bf primitives 17:19:28 and the compiler replaces bf sequences to the "optimized" counterparts 17:19:52 Quartus: single instruction set computer? what is that? 17:20:50 http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=121976&jmp=cit&dl=GUIDE&dl=ACM 17:21:45 sounds like the NAND CPU :) 17:22:16 Hey, if you do it right, you'd be able to bring up Forth on a handful of sand and a lemon-wedge. 17:22:47 occasionally i'm pondering implementing forth on a hydraulic valve cpu 17:22:57 zoly: sw33t 17:23:05 Those of you in the front row will get wet. 17:23:33 program execution could be very visual 17:23:49 You'd need new primitives: MOP and SQUIRT, at least. 17:23:51 expecially with different color liquid and translucent pipes 17:24:20 *g* 17:24:34 REFILL would take on a whole new meaning. 17:24:39 one could get rich selling towels 17:25:02 And stack underflow would involve a snorkel. 17:25:49 and memory leak require a plummer 17:25:57 Heh. 17:27:22 my first design of a hydraulic device was a nut cracker 17:27:39 Just a cracker? Not a pulverizer? 17:27:40 my second a rs flip flop 17:28:10 well adjusted, fed with proper sized nuts, it just cracked them 17:28:29 I'd go mad with power. I'd be pulverizing nuts almost immediately. 17:28:55 My first design for a hydraulic device was something with 4 wheels where if you stood on it it would move 17:29:09 you could use that design for squeezing oil out of olives 17:29:15 and if you got off, a clutch would engage, and the thing would lift again without going backwards 17:30:44 I figured that thing would have massive torque 17:31:04 and so I thought of my next device 17:31:14 a piston engine where each piston connects to hydraulics 17:31:37 a compressor in reverse mode 17:31:45 An expandor. 17:31:54 wouldnt go very fast (the engine itself), but the monster torque should still propel it very good and give good fuel economy 17:32:22 I'm thinking 50+ miles per gallon of fuel 17:33:10 As long as you don't need to slow down or stop? :) 17:34:00 why is that? 17:34:01 :) 17:34:10 I agree, slowing down and stopping are overrated. 17:34:18 it wouldnt even need a transmission, or not a very sphosticated one 17:34:26 why couldnt you slow or stop? 17:34:48 It's the nutcracker principle all over again. Power madness. 17:34:55 eh? 17:35:03 i didnt read backlog, so please explain 17:35:17 It would lose what small humour value it has if explained :) Not to worry. 17:35:41 :D alright, sorry :) 17:35:50 but I think it would work very nicely 17:36:18 just a two-speed trnsmission could easily give it anything it needs for common traffic 17:36:26 (well, two forward speed one reverse) 17:36:33 probably automatic too 17:36:47 first gear would be 0 to maybe 35-40mph 17:36:54 second everything after 17:37:25 make it with a long stroke connected to a short gear which presses 17:37:30 and diesel fuel 17:37:47 what do you think? ;) 17:37:52 I'd buy one. 17:38:37 if it runs on diesel, i would run in old baking fat as well 17:39:01 frying fat 17:39:32 such as the black stuff at mcdonalds 17:42:01 you could cut the competition with your waste oil deposal fees 17:42:19 :) 17:42:50 while leaving a tasty smelling exhaust trail behind 17:43:04 trans fats to the rescue! 17:43:17 they kill you inside, and run your engine outside 17:44:05 arke: you design the engine and i'll design the sports car for it, ok? ;) 17:45:33 ls -l 17:45:36 oops 17:45:50 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 17:46:44 the Hingefreel drive may be a challenge 17:47:27 a Douglas Adams invention 17:47:37 I don't remember that one. 17:47:43 One of the problems has to do with the speed of light and 17:47:45 the difficulties involved in trying to exceed it. You can't. Nothing 17:47:48 travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception 17:47:51 of bad news, which obeys its own special laws. The Hingefreel 17:47:54 people of Arkintoofle Minor did try to build spaceships that were 17:47:56 powered by bad news but they didn't work particularly well and 17:47:59 were so extremely unwelcome whenever they arrived anywhere 17:48:01 that there wasn't really any point in being there. 17:48:07 :) 17:49:38 lol 17:54:29 lol 17:55:24 that engine of mine would actually be a good racing engine 17:55:56 VERY good off-the-line speed, and plenty of torque to push itself to very high speeds 17:56:30 And if you add some hydraulic logic circuits, it can extinguish itself when it hits the wall and bursts into flame. 17:56:36 YES! 17:56:38 :D 17:56:40 naah 17:56:44 this hting would truly rock 17:56:58 I'd like to see it do the 24 hours of LeMans 17:57:07 it would be the first diesel engine ;) 17:57:53 transverse boxer midengine layout 17:58:09 10 cylinders, every 2 have their own hydraulic system 17:59:54 hydraulic system connected to a specially tuned 4-speed manual transmission, with very high 2-4 gears and a torquey first gear 18:00:04 brb 18:05:02 --- join: dgd (~dgd@d139.maxtnt-2.jvl.ticon.net) joined #forth 18:10:09 --- quit: dgd ("Dosvydanya....") 18:12:26 --- join: Hyrax (~das@adsl-64-219-100-33.dsl.lgvwtx.swbell.net) joined #forth 18:16:05 and b4ck 18:18:56 this engine would r0x0r t3h s0x0r 18:19:12 w0w. 18:19:39 :) 18:19:41 seriously 18:19:54 its a bit bigger, but it would fit in a well-designed sedan 18:20:14 Patent it fast. 18:20:15 a rear wheel drive sedan, and make the transmission be in the rear. 18:20:34 thus, you dont need a flywheel as the driveshaft between engine and tranny will do the same 18:21:14 this would make an awesome buick-like car 18:26:50 actually, I have another idea 18:26:53 take a diesel engine 18:27:01 and rewire it to suck up gasoline 18:27:22 the funny thing is that the mixture has to be really lean otherwise it'll start knocking 18:27:27 and knocking on an engine = bad 18:27:52 bye all 18:28:09 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 18:28:39 --- join: danniken (~CapStone@216-110-82-203.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 18:29:51 i think the future is in 1 cylinder motors 18:30:49 --- part: danniken left #forth 18:31:13 well, imagine a ball with a rod, and it bounces with the rod and has a gyroscope to keep itself oriented properly 18:31:22 if its a really powerful rod it could practically fly ;0 18:31:51 It sounds uncomfortable. 18:32:05 its not manned 18:32:32 Just as well :) 18:32:42 its for being a drug mule 18:32:50 and getting small packages of drugs to others quickly 18:32:51 Hard on the mule. 18:33:00 small enough to get thru the border undetected etc 18:33:20 this mule ball w/ a rod & a gyroscope is in one of the sci fi books i read heh 18:38:58 --- join: wandelf (~Olorin@69.134.116.93) joined #forth 18:39:21 goodnight 19:02:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 19:06:43 --- part: zoly left #forth 19:08:39 --- join: I440r (mark4@rrcs-24-242-160-169.sw.biz.rr.com) joined #forth 19:38:52 Hey I440r. 19:38:59 hi 19:39:06 How goes it? 19:39:40 goes good. now if i can just pluck up the energy to get working on my GBA forth :P 19:40:15 GBA? 19:40:20 game boy hehe 19:40:22 for the DS 19:40:23 Ah 19:40:24 eventually 19:40:31 .DS? 19:40:34 --- part: wandelf left #forth 19:41:18 DS is the newest gameboy 19:41:25 it comes with two screens 19:41:28 one is a touch pad 19:41:32 I know very little about game machines. 19:41:33 it can play n64 games 19:41:42 you can play mario64 on it heh 19:41:46 yeah 19:41:47 me too 19:41:56 i only know cuz my friend was telling me about it recently 19:42:06 I lack the patience for video games. 19:42:13 actually the interesting thing is that it has 2 screens 19:42:45 and the retroforth editor displays two blocks too ;) 19:42:48 --- quit: Azure_Ag ("= Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz-POP!") 19:42:49 i bought a ds and an xport-ii 19:42:50 It interests me exactly twice as much as the single-screen version :) 19:42:56 search on xport 2 19:43:01 that cost more than the gba 19:44:40 seriously tho, the two screens is a different paradigm altogether.. its really quite weird to play with at first i thought 19:45:01 and they design games completely differently for it.. 19:49:58 not really, one screen is just the interface :) 19:50:25 --- quit: aum () 19:50:57 they are taking their time releasing some ds games 19:51:08 like the fullversion of the demo that comes with it 20:00:42 --- quit: KB1FYR (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20:00:42 --- quit: ASau (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20:00:54 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 20:00:54 --- join: ASau (~user@83.102.133.66) joined #forth 20:41:02 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 21:19:04 --- join: dorky (~dorky@dsl-140-131.dynamic-dsl.frii.net) joined #forth 21:27:15 --- quit: swalters ("User disconnected") 21:34:55 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 22:00:49 --- quit: swalters ("User disconnected") 22:01:39 --- join: swalters (~swalters@2416457hfc118.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined #forth 23:05:23 Dobre jitro! 23:06:50 --- part: dorky left #forth 23:07:08 I440r: I am not on the net on Saturdays and Sundays. 23:07:40 I440r: I'm offline. 23:08:40 As for Carter, I don't have any connection. 23:10:33 Though, my friend sent her a letter (bug report, IIRC) and got an answer. 23:11:27 --- join: warpzero_ (~warpzero@wza.us) joined #forth 23:11:57 Dobre jitro, Warpzero! 23:13:49 --- quit: skylan (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:13:49 --- quit: warpzero (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:13:49 --- quit: Fractal (sterling.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 23:16:00 --- join: skylan (~sjh@dialup-216-211-5-187.tbaytel.net) joined #forth