00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.03.04 01:41:35 --- quit: SeaForth (Remote closed the connection) 02:43:24 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 03:23:53 --- join: SeaForth (~SeaForth@c-24-1-126-202.client.comcast.net) joined #forth 03:42:55 hi all 04:02:43 --- quit: aum () 05:13:08 --- join: qFox (C00K13S@82-169-140-229-mx.xdsl.tiscali.nl) joined #forth 06:01:27 --- quit: Rockford (Remote closed the connection) 08:05:48 --- join: onetom_ (~tom@ns.dunasoft.com) joined #forth 08:43:29 --- join: Serg[GPRS] (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 09:13:50 --- join: Herkamire (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 09:13:50 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 10:27:22 --- quit: OrngeTide ("gone") 10:58:47 --- quit: Serg[GPRS] () 11:25:58 --- join: crc_work (crc@bespin.org) joined #forth 12:22:55 --- quit: KB1FYR () 12:28:21 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 13:51:46 --- quit: crc_work ("leaving") 14:08:11 --- quit: KB1FYR () 14:18:33 hi all 14:18:37 hi 14:34:51 --- quit: qFox (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:49:09 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 14:49:16 --- quit: KB1FYR (Remote closed the connection) 14:54:16 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 15:10:15 --- join: Topaz (~top@cerberus.saywell.net) joined #forth 15:32:13 --- quit: KB1FYR () 15:54:49 --- join: crc2 (crc@bespin.org) joined #forth 15:57:04 --- quit: Topaz ("Leaving") 15:58:13 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 16:00:22 --- join: saon (1000@c-24-129-90-197.se.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 16:01:20 --- quit: onetom_ ("leaving") 16:10:17 --- quit: KB1FYR () 16:13:14 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 16:20:24 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 16:20:37 hi aum 16:20:55 hi crc 16:21:08 'snew? 16:22:25 retroforth 8.0 is almost to beta quality :) 16:22:25 nice 16:22:49 when will you unveil it to Chuck? 16:24:33 he can look at it whenever he like :) 16:24:44 http://retro.tunes.org 16:25:01 i've been getting ideas for a forth ide 16:25:15 with word definitions stored in a mysql database 16:26:50 Colorado Springs: A guy walked into a little corner store with a shot gun and demanded all the cash from the cash drawer. After the cashier put the cash in a bag, the robber saw a bottle of scotch that he wanted behind the counter on the shelf. He told the cashier to put it in the bag as well, but he refused and said "Because I don't believe you are over 21." The robber said he was, but the clerk still refused to give it to him because he didn't believe him. At this poi 16:27:31 arke: a bit o/t don't you think? 16:34:27 aum: Map (a weird 3D forth) stored definitions in a mysql database 16:34:57 interesting 16:35:15 http://www.ynet.com.au/sean/ 16:35:24 makes sense, because forth systems grow to thousands of words 16:35:27 that seems to have disappeared though.... 16:35:30 not mine. 16:35:45 but you don't even support 'else', eh? 16:35:50 No. 16:36:19 My largest apps have used about 800 words total (including the ones in RetroForth) 16:37:25 that's economical 16:37:45 * crc doesn't believe in bloated software 16:39:49 --- quit: crc2 (Remote closed the connection) 16:41:10 my IRC client is currently 579 bytes when compiled on x86 :) 16:41:26 sweet 16:41:57 so rf can use glibc? 16:42:19 rf can link with any libraries iirc 16:43:10 rf7.6 for Windows and Linux can use external libraries 16:43:22 rf8 for windows can also (with a better FFI) 16:43:25 that's nice 16:43:31 I'm still porting the new FFI to rf8 16:43:42 * aum contemplates the possibilities of linking to libpython 16:44:53 * crc will replace his shell with rf8 at some point soon 16:51:13 --- join: crc2 (crc@bespin.org) joined #forth 16:52:41 a shell in forth will be nice to have.... 16:54:02 very true 16:54:06 crc, ever considered building a full wm in forth? 16:54:18 a forth wm, nice idea :) 16:54:44 ideally the forth would need a good oo engine 16:55:34 i was thinking about it a lot recently, i use BadWM (minimal wm), and am modifying it to add some features and was then thinking about the abilities of a well-made forth wm 16:56:42 modifiable window controls, custom window controls, ability to apply window controls to different windows 16:56:54 it'd be really nice 16:57:01 saon: I've considered it 16:57:04 and tiny 16:57:31 I'd probably start with a C wrapper that was configured/controlled through a forth shell 16:57:43 eventually replacing the C with pure Forth as I learned X11 16:57:50 yeah 16:59:17 that's where i got stopped 16:59:18 evening all 16:59:48 i was reading a lot of source code and realized i don't know anything about xlib 17:00:30 hi swalters 17:00:36 I don't think building a wm is all _that_ hard. 17:00:59 tathi, i agree, if i knew xlib, i'd be fine 17:01:06 * swalters has decided that the x86 processor has //way// too many instructions. 17:01:09 the source code for BadWM isn't hard to follow 17:01:18 --- join: _crc (~crc@pool-70-16-154-63.phil.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 17:01:26 and it's a small wm 17:01:47 --- quit: crc (Nick collision from services.) 17:01:51 --- nick: _crc -> crc 17:01:54 --- mode: ChanServ set +o crc 17:02:38 I had a hacked up version of aewm running before I started using ratpoison 17:03:57 I used ratpoison, but it didn't like things when I added another monitor, so I had to switch to ion. After I tweaked the config files heavily, I decided I like ion better than ratpoison. 17:04:15 I won't install ion due to the dependencies 17:04:29 * crc likes to keep control of his system as much as possible 17:04:46 what are the dependencies you don't like? 17:05:03 xlib is one cruel beast 17:05:30 lua 17:06:11 I'm still using an old version of ion -- the lua one doesn't match my user model 17:06:51 does it require glibc? 17:07:36 * crc uses dietlibc 17:08:07 don't know 17:19:59 haha 17:20:24 crc: you know, using dietlibc completely fits your personality :) 17:20:26 uses autoconf, so I can't build it anyway 17:20:57 arke: I have a partial libc that I wrote that meets 90% of what my C apps need 17:21:17 oddly enough, it uses retroforth internally :) 17:21:41 crc: I once started writing a minimal libc. My incomplete I/O functions were on average 4 times as short and 10 times as fast as the glibc ones :) 17:21:47 ahaha 17:22:10 mine are slower, but that's because I translate from C conventions to RetroForth conventions and back again 17:22:49 I should write my own libc again 17:22:51 for practice 17:23:18 arke: no! 17:23:25 arke: work on dotquote instead! 17:23:27 :) 17:23:48 dotquote? 17:24:23 http://www.dotquote.org (work in progress) 17:24:26 tathi: news site dedicated to forth 17:24:33 ah. 17:24:49 crc: s/again/again someday 17:24:51 :) 17:34:09 ok 17:40:59 --- quit: crc2 (Remote closed the connection) 17:47:46 goodnight! 18:04:47 --- quit: tathi ("leaving") 19:22:32 --- quit: aum (Remote closed the connection) 19:51:28 --- join: Sonarman (~snofs@adsl-64-169-92-215.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) joined #forth 19:55:56 --- join: raystm22_ (~color4th@adsl-68-95-248-40.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 19:55:56 --- quit: raystm22 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:55:56 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:55:57 --- join: Raystm2_ (~Ray@adsl-68-95-248-40.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 19:56:01 --- quit: swalters (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:06:15 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-69-149-48-92.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 20:06:36 --- join: raystm22 (~color4th@adsl-69-149-48-92.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 20:23:59 --- quit: Raystm2_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:24:40 --- quit: raystm22_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:42:16 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:43:18 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-69-149-38-248.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 20:43:59 --- quit: raystm22 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:48:25 --- quit: cmeme (Ping timeout: 14400 seconds) 20:55:12 --- join: rastm2 (~rastm2@adsl-69-149-38-248.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 21:06:22 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 21:07:17 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-69-149-38-248.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 21:19:57 --- quit: KB1FYR (Connection reset by peer) 21:52:55 --- quit: Herkamire ("off to bed") 22:30:13 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 23:14:51 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/05.03.04