00:00:00 --- log: started forth/05.02.24 00:05:51 --- quit: Raystm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:06:40 --- quit: rastm2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:07:37 --- join: rastm2 (~rastm2@adsl-69-149-47-230.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 00:07:50 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-69-149-47-230.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 00:10:58 :) 00:17:04 --- join: Herkamir1 (~jason@h000094d30ba2.ne.client2.attbi.com) joined #forth 00:17:04 --- quit: Herkamire (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 00:17:21 Raystm2: how is qemu holding you up from trying herkforth? 00:20:32 learning it -_0 please don't hit me. 00:20:44 just havn't taken the time to learn it yet 00:21:32 you don't have to learn anything about qemu 00:21:38 just get it installed 00:21:45 (or is that what you're working on?) 00:21:52 --- nick: Herkamir1 -> Herkamire 00:22:00 --- mode: ChanServ set +o Herkamire 00:22:34 herkforth-bin comes with a script that calls qemu correctly 00:24:29 just run my script. it's called "run" iirc 00:24:29 so just do: ./run 00:29:03 i see. 00:29:30 ive downloaded it and have never unpacked the qemu -- was gonna read about it but got supreamly distracted . 00:29:49 but since it's just you and me up right now :) 00:30:34 ahh, haven't installed qemu. that you will need to do 00:30:40 heh heh 00:31:10 are you in the freeoszoo? 00:31:48 no 00:31:49 i' mean do i need to answer yes to the install question "Would you like to download an OS image from freeOSZoo?" 00:31:50 okay 00:31:51 :) 00:32:01 oh. no 00:32:11 thanks for saving me :) 00:33:10 what distrobution of linux did you install? 00:33:16 okay qemu installed heading for your site. 00:33:45 I got the windows version of qemu on XP but linux is Debian on the pentium1 00:34:14 rather i did linux ? 00:34:26 will apt-get qemu do it? 00:35:00 yeah, linux. 00:35:04 apt-get should work 00:35:09 k 00:35:11 doing 00:35:59 herkforth-bin comes with a couple tiny, tiny linux programs to setup and restore (respectively) the terminal settings 00:36:06 couldn't find :( qemu 00:36:16 cool 00:36:23 apt-get doesn't have qemu? 00:36:51 read the pack list and build a dependancy tree. 00:37:47 oh maybe i need more than just qemu as an argument for install. 00:37:48 huh? 00:38:16 oh sorry 00:38:46 out put from command # apt-get install qemu 00:39:01 Reading Package Lists ..... Done 00:39:13 Building Dependancy Tree ..... Done 00:39:31 E: Couldn't find package qemu 00:39:39 bummer 00:40:11 maybe there's no debian package for it. lemme see if I can find one 00:40:17 k 00:40:20 thanks 00:41:30 I wish I knew more about debian. 00:41:41 there is a package for qemu, but not in the "stable" software category 00:42:11 we might need to tell debian that it's ok to install stuff in the "testing" or "unstable" categories 00:42:24 can i dl it in with Lynx and just untar in the '/' direct like it says on the site? 00:42:35 ah 00:42:37 sure 00:42:39 i get it 00:43:18 or maybe just download the package? 00:43:20 wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/q/qemu/qemu_0.6.1-1_i386.deb 00:43:27 it's downloading now 00:43:29 thanks 00:43:41 tho i don't know where it's going :) 00:43:56 * Raystm2 really new to linux 00:44:10 debian packages use something other than tar to install them 00:44:19 and I'll need to read the man page for tar but i need to do all this anyway 00:45:01 I don't know what it's called 00:45:06 ah okay lynx gives me the opertunity to put it anywhere ai want 00:45:44 okay downloaded yeah :) 00:45:54 what are you downloading? and what's the file name ending? 00:46:23 k it's qemu-0.6.1-i386.tar.gz 00:46:38 in my home directory currently 00:48:16 oh i should have said gzip instead of tar? rigth? 00:49:37 tar -xzf qemu-0.6.1-i386.tar.gz 00:49:48 (the z means ungzip it first) 00:50:00 okay thanks i see 00:50:19 doit right there in the home dir? 00:50:33 don't ya just luv newbs 00:50:33 wherever 00:50:36 okay 00:51:21 what's in it? 00:51:21 executed 00:51:27 all done 00:51:31 let's see :) 00:51:45 oh oh, I see 00:52:10 wow, it comes with system-ppc cool 00:52:24 ok, you'll probably want to install this as root in the / directory 00:52:27 so: su 00:52:30 then: cd / 00:52:45 then: tar -xzf ~/qemu-0.6.1-i386.tar.gz 00:53:01 drrr 00:53:05 last command is wrong 00:53:14 what's your username? 00:53:22 stick that in after the ~ 00:53:24 rastm2 00:53:28 k 00:53:29 so 00:53:38 tar -xzf ~raystm2/qemu-0.6.1-i386.tar.gz 00:54:22 i've already done the first one the $ tar -xzf ............. 00:54:31 but i don't know where it is 00:54:32 newbies aren't bad usually on linux because you can tell them exactly what to type 00:54:37 ya 00:55:01 you did those three commands in order? (su, cd /, tar...) 00:55:02 i did ls here but only see the gziped file i downloaded 00:55:14 no i was not in su 00:55:35 so did it even execute the command? 00:55:57 the tarball (qemu....tar.gz) contains a directory "usr" 00:56:10 okay i see it :) 00:56:26 it's meant to go in /usr 00:56:53 so to "install" qemu in it's proper place, you need to be in the / directory 00:57:02 so delete and do like you said second time. 00:57:09 when you do tar -xzf qemu... 00:57:14 yeah. 00:57:16 oka 00:57:22 rm usr 00:57:29 and you'll need to do the "su" part to have write access to that directory 00:57:37 okay 00:58:09 yeah. usr is a directory full of files. so you'll have to do "rm -rf usr" (be extra careful not to use "rm -rf" as root unless you are quite sure you're doing it right) 00:58:26 :) okay 00:59:44 eg "rm -rf /" (as root) would proceed to delete everything, system and all. probably would continue untill crashing the system which would no longer boot. 00:59:47 baaad :) 01:00:32 think it worked :) 01:00:53 type "qemu" to see if it worked 01:01:03 if it did you should get some message about how to use qemu or some such 01:01:06 get out of su first? 01:01:16 sure 01:01:44 which returned /usr/local/bin/qemu 01:01:50 good 01:01:58 ok, are you back in your home directory? 01:01:59 ya help display ;) 01:02:07 yes 01:02:11 let's try running herkforth 01:02:24 did you try just tying "qemu" ? 01:02:27 typing 01:02:29 apt-get install herkforth :) 01:02:34 yes 01:02:44 hehe 01:02:58 okay lynxing to your site 01:03:07 make sure you get herkforth-bin not the source 01:03:14 okay 01:05:03 okay get the 7.1 tarball with all the scripts to run under qemu :) 01:05:46 cool 01:05:59 tar -xjf herkforth-bin-7.1.tar.bz2 01:06:05 wow that was fast :) 01:06:05 cd herkforth-bin-7.1 01:06:07 ./run 01:06:14 the download? 01:06:36 ya 01:06:49 42K 01:06:56 :) 01:07:35 same process to untar or should i untar this in place in my home 01:07:44 in your home 01:07:51 or a sub-directory if you wanna be organized 01:07:52 k 01:08:02 eg I made a directory called "software" where I keep such things 01:08:05 md? 01:08:11 mkdir 01:08:11 ah 01:08:16 mkdir got it 01:08:27 mkdir software 01:08:37 mv herkforth-bin-0.7.1.tar.bz2 software 01:08:39 cd software 01:08:44 :) 01:08:50 tar -xjf herkforth-bin-0.7.1.tar.bz2 01:08:51 faster than i can ask ;0 01:08:57 cd herkforth-bin-0.7.1 01:08:59 ./run 01:09:25 (note the j instead of z in the options. this is for files ending with .bz2 instead of .gz) 01:10:27 Ok the tar command args this time is -xjf? 01:10:40 i see got it 01:10:47 need to read a head is all 01:10:53 your on the ball there 01:11:15 raining pretty hard here now after threats all week 01:12:31 any luck? 01:12:53 umm 01:13:02 do i need to be su to untar? 01:13:07 no 01:13:25 okay will make sure i didn't miss type something 01:14:48 hmm no such file or dir 01:14:52 and im in software 01:14:56 and i'm doing 01:15:12 did you move the file into that dir? 01:15:22 tar -xjf herkforth-bin-0.7.1.tar.bz2 01:15:27 yes ls says so 01:15:56 hmm... probably we got the filename wrong 01:16:08 type "tar -xjf herk" then hit _tab_ 01:16:16 it should write the rest of the name for you 01:16:20 no kidding :) 01:16:28 cool 01:16:39 now enter 01:16:59 nope doh!! 01:17:45 eh? what happened? 01:18:17 output 01:18:49 tar (child) : bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory 01:19:02 the tab thing worked? 01:19:10 tar (child): Error is not rec.... 01:19:10 ya 01:19:18 worked good :) 01:19:46 weird weird weird 01:19:46 is it maybe permissions? 01:19:49 ya 01:20:58 you downloaded the file as raystm2 right? same user you're using now? 01:21:28 ya only one user me 01:22:20 does it matter that i did it in a different vc --- no i'm logged in as rastm2 everywhere . i think 01:22:20 ok, try this: "bunzip2 herkforth-bin-0.7.1.tar.bz2" 01:22:37 unless i started lynx in root? 01:22:37 vc shouldn't batter 01:22:38 matter 01:23:11 do "ls -al" that'll tell you who owns stuff 01:23:22 k thanks 01:24:14 the third column from the left should say "raystm2" on every line (except where it says total) 01:24:48 i own it and permissions are -rw-r--r-- 01:25:09 should be fine 01:25:13 same on . ? 01:25:13 k 01:25:27 don't understand the ? 01:25:29 rrr... can't be the same 01:25:40 it should have listed a row for the filename "." 01:25:51 what's the permissions and owner for that? 01:26:01 ah ok 01:26:05 same owner yes 01:26:20 "." means "current directory" btw 01:26:34 i recall thank you 01:26:51 ok, permissions start with "drwx" right? 01:27:35 in the '.' it does and in th '..' but not the file 01:27:55 d cuz the files not a directory yes? 01:28:35 * rastm2 is gonna try running tar from su 01:29:02 yeah, d means directory 01:29:32 and the x means a different thing for directories (for files it means it's executable, for directories it makes it so you can use them) 01:29:33 same problem 01:29:45 ah okay thanks 01:29:47 funky. did you try my bzip2 command? 01:29:56 oh no sorry 01:30:45 we might get better results doing it like that ourselves instead of telling tar to do it 01:30:53 or at least a more helpful error message 01:31:04 if i do a which bunzip2 should it return something if i have that ? 01:31:14 cuz it didn't 01:31:19 ooooh! 01:31:23 I understand now 01:31:31 tar was saying that it couldn't find bzip2! 01:31:36 ah 01:31:37 I was thinking it couldn't find herkforth 01:31:41 right 01:31:52 silly debian 01:31:58 apt-get install bzip2 01:32:10 cool install time -- this is a very minimal net install of debian -- just the very basics 01:32:17 to do colorforth in 01:32:28 okay 01:32:48 yeah, but the thing is that bzip2 get's better compression that gzip 01:33:06 so it seems to me the sort of thing people would install when trying to be minimal 01:33:18 but whatever 01:33:23 getting 01:33:26 ya 01:33:29 in my distro almost everything is bzip2 01:33:35 :) 01:33:44 still installing 01:33:47 unpacking 01:33:49 saves bandwidth 01:33:54 setting up 01:33:57 sure 01:34:03 done :) 01:34:12 going back to software and trying againg 01:34:49 tar -xjf herk... 01:35:18 that was fast :) 01:35:28 okay ./run? 01:35:36 cd to the dir. then ./run 01:36:01 herkforth-bin-0.7.1.tar.bz2 contains a directory named herkforth-bin-0.7.1 01:36:10 which has everything you need in it. including ./run 01:36:41 okay in there and error 01:37:00 ./run make:command not found 01:37:04 oh god 01:37:08 twice 01:37:24 you probably don't have a compiler 01:37:30 ./set-term .... 01:37:31 okay 01:37:37 c compiler? 01:37:41 yeah 01:37:46 anyone? 01:37:49 try: gcc 01:37:54 okay 01:38:10 no which gcc output 01:38:20 lemmy fire up my backup server. I'll make you binaries of those 01:38:31 no way cool :_ 01:39:13 unless you want to install gcc and make 01:39:24 not a problem really 01:39:28 be glad too 01:39:35 gonna need it any way 01:39:40 true 01:40:54 gcc is big 01:42:17 yea :) 01:42:23 unpacking 01:42:27 setting up 01:42:33 make next 01:44:46 now it cant find the header on ./run 01:44:53 headers sorry 01:44:55 stdio 01:44:59 stdlib 01:45:02 termios 01:45:06 unistd 01:45:13 sys/types 01:45:15 and stat 01:45:21 fcntl.h 01:45:34 mmm 01:45:45 I don't know what to apt-get for those. let's do that business later 01:45:57 make wasn't found again that's why 01:46:17 delete the herkforth stuff. I'll give you a new tarballs that won't need make or gcc 01:46:21 or any of that 01:46:29 no i'm wrong make was found 01:46:39 cool 01:46:40 :) 01:47:41 your ./run executed the command "cc -o set-term set-term.c" then i got the what import errors ? 01:48:33 right. you still don't have all the things you need in order to build C programs 01:49:15 yikes sorry :) 01:49:16 ok, download this one: http://jason.herkamire.com/herkforth-bin-0.7.1-ray.tar.bz2 01:49:27 not your fault. I don't know how to tell it to install that stuff. 01:49:30 do i need libs and headers then? 01:49:49 okay dling 01:50:07 yeah, to compile stuff you need headers, and libs. you might have libs already. 01:55:12 any luck? 01:55:23 tar -xjf herkforth-bin-0.7.1-ray.tar.bz2 01:55:29 cd herkforth-bin-0.7.1-ray 01:55:30 qemu: uncaught target signal 11 ( seg) -- exit 01:55:39 doh! 01:56:37 oh yeah 01:57:04 and invalid datea memory access; 0x00000000 01:57:28 what version of qemu do you have? 01:57:43 "qemu-ppc --version" should tell you 01:58:18 0.6.1 01:58:49 oh this is qemu pc emulator is that not same as qemu ppc? 01:59:31 did i do wrong qemu? 02:00:32 it's not an x window app? 02:00:37 is it? 02:00:46 no 02:01:02 02:01:03 well, qemu-ppc is not X 02:01:08 qemu-system-ppc would be 02:01:16 :0 02:01:19 ok 02:01:36 qemu comes with lots of stuff 02:01:45 it can emulate a linux program for ppc 02:01:54 it can emulate whole operating systems (which generally need graphics) 02:02:15 that's neat 02:06:48 that's weird it crashes 02:07:00 I've got qemu 0.6.0 and it runs fine 02:07:42 maybe I should try 0.6.1 02:09:18 rrrr... after all that 02:09:51 --- join: aum (~aum@60-234-138-239.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) joined #forth 02:12:59 after all what? 02:13:12 time installing and such 02:13:34 qemu is telling you that herkforth crashed 02:13:40 ya but ill use everything installed so far so you just pushed me :) 02:13:55 yeah 02:14:23 had me pretty stumped for a bit untill we found out that you didn't have bzip :) 02:14:48 i figuer it's trying to get the boot going and cant read from the start of the sector -- is that wrong -- is that what that error message is about the address 0? 02:15:04 hehe 02:15:04 ya 02:15:29 glad you stayed patient with me -- not that i've ever seen you otherwise. 02:17:53 besides if i gave every forth implementor in this chat 3 hours of my time every day id have them all running by mid march :) 02:18:47 :) 02:18:59 You're not emulating the bootable version 02:19:05 oh 02:19:09 it's a linux program 02:19:20 so my assessment cant be correct, right? 02:19:37 qemu was originally designed to just run linux programs compiled for x86 on other platforms 02:19:42 but has expanded since 02:19:53 now it can run linux programs compiled for ppc as well 02:20:03 and can emplate operating systems for some hardware 02:20:11 no, it can't be. 02:20:21 oh not all hard ware okay 02:21:00 you know -- rj_cf was thinking that i may have a vid issue in colorforth on this machine 02:21:30 I wish I could do some debugging, but as it works for me on my machines, there's not much I can do. 02:21:37 something about maybe iirc and i prob'ly don't that the interupt is different 02:21:43 ya 02:21:44 I'll try qemu-0.6.1 sometime, and see I can get the error with that version 02:21:58 no rush but i'm always ready now :) 02:22:00 that interrupt means it crashed :) 02:22:20 signal 11 geek for "hit the fan" 02:22:28 oh 02:22:35 didn't know :() 02:22:39 I'm up very late. we'll have to pick this up another time 02:22:54 np thanks for the fun :) 02:23:05 good night to ya 02:23:08 i had a blast 02:23:12 :) 02:23:15 thanks 02:24:08 you bet !! 02:26:21 --- quit: Herkamire ("off to bed") 02:31:59 --- join: samc__ (~sam@203-114-131-252.inspire.net.nz) joined #forth 04:12:33 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 05:06:10 --- quit: KB1FYR (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05:08:39 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-69-149-47-230.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 05:09:54 --- join: KB1FYR (~Alex@196-220.suscom-maine.net) joined #forth 05:12:26 --- quit: Raystm2 (Client Quit) 05:13:00 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-69-149-47-230.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 05:20:43 --- quit: rastm2 ("leaving") 06:04:27 --- quit: aum () 07:23:09 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 07:25:40 --- join: rastm2 (~rastm2@adsl-69-149-47-230.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 07:31:39 --- quit: rastm2 ("leaving") 07:33:34 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-69-149-47-230.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 07:48:25 --- join: TheBlueWizard (TheBlueWiz@modem-133.nyc-tc03a.FCC.NET) joined #forth 07:55:14 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 07:59:35 --- join: Raystm2 (~Ray@adsl-69-149-47-230.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) joined #forth 08:43:03 --- part: roliver left #forth 09:01:54 --- join: Serg[GPRS] (~z@193.201.231.126) joined #forth 09:03:34 * Serg[GPRS] reviewed 'thoughtful programming' yesterday ;) 09:06:02 and downloaded 'Clockwork orange' today ;) 09:07:34 --- join: I440r_ (~mark4@216-110-82-203.gen.twtelecom.net) joined #forth 09:07:42 hi ! 09:07:50 how's iforth ? 09:07:58 ISforth 09:09:36 --- quit: Raystm2 ("User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby") 09:09:41 hi dood, iave not done anything with it in a while, im working 9 or 10 hours a day these days 09:10:01 but im PLANNING on finishing an edit i started ages ago soon 09:10:05 but i dont know when 09:10:06 bleh 09:10:20 wow...what's eating up your time? 09:10:58 work 09:11:15 and its not coding, its basically TECH support 09:11:16 grrr 09:11:30 so by the time i get home ive no interest in anything except sleeping 09:11:41 iwas sick too. last friday i slept 18 hours 09:12:15 went to bed at 8 pm saturday night and slept for a further 12 09:12:25 fun stuff 09:12:33 i wish i could sleep that much 09:13:08 --- quit: PurpleHaze ("leaving") 09:16:00 mine record is.... 09:16:39 sleepless nite in inet cafe, coming home by 13:00 next day ... adn sleeping all day and all nite till next morning - maybe 20 hurs 09:17:25 * Serg[GPRS] hd more sleepless nites for comp/inet than for girls, notably ;)) 09:18:04 Serg[GPRS]: :) 09:19:17 my sexy record is 21:00 ~ 3:00 09:19:38